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“Our number one problem is the secret governance system.” “I’d call it the Rothschild network.” “It receives a lot of protection from the intelligence agencies.” “And they are increasingly above the law.” Tucker Carlson just dropped a bombshell podcast with Catherine Austin Fitts. She broke down how the Epstein... show more
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![Catherine Austin Fitts: "Unfortunately, we have many people in Congress and, I suspect, many people in this current administration, who are dual citizens... they are loyal not to the sovereign interests of the U.S., but to this network... who, I believe, run Israel." This clip of Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, investment banker, and founder of the Solari Report (The Solari Report | Catherine Austin Fitts), is taken from a discussion with Christian Elliot posted to the Deconstructing Convention YouTube channel on January 24, 2026. *Note that I did not make the subtitles in the video. They are from the source video. ----------------Partial transcription of clip--------------- "To me, the most important issue, because we do have a constitution. It still exists, it's very powerful, and we still have a sovereign government. Unfortunately, we have many people in Congress and I suspect many people in this current administration who are dual citizens. They are not just Americans. They have passports. Many, I suspect, to Israel. "I did an interview with Cynthia McKinney, used to be a congresswoman from the Atlanta area. And she said the number one problem in Congress is the dual citizen passport group. And they are loyal not to the sovereign interests of the United States, but to this network. And many of those people, again, are in the United States who run, I believe, who run Israel. And this is a real problem. "And one of the reasons it's a real problem is if you look at that network, they are deeply involved in pushing for financial transaction control. And if you're going to give them a get out of jail free card on what they're doing in Israel, and it's not just in Palestine. Netanyahu was very clear. He said, we're going to turn Israel into a lab for Pfizer. And he mandated the shot. "So if you look at what is happening, the genocide is not just in Palestine, it's in Israel, too. [And] Congress gave [Netanyahu] 54 standing ovations."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2016994946763673922/amplify_video_thumb/2016993225681334272/img/lfywc-cqnON1kY2k.jpg)
![Former Assistant Secretary of HUD Catherine Austin Fitts: "Section 224 [of the NDAA] essentially turns over massive powers within the military to the Israeli military" "if you want the people who have done Gaza doing the same thing in this country with robots and drones and surveillance systems, let that go through" "I think Americans should run the American military and not foreign nationals" "We literally had Rumsfeld complain, according to Larry Wilkerson, who was working for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that he didn't run the Pentagon... the Israelis who were running around the building were running it" "So this is a faction that needs to get put in its proper place in the governance system" This clip of Fitts, an investment banker, former Assistant Secretary of HUD, and founder of the Solari Report (The Solari Report | Catherine Austin Fitts), is taken from an interview with Greg Hunter (Greg Hunter) posted to Rumble on June 6, 2026.](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2063690462221984025/amplify_video_thumb/2063688412826411008/img/Ccxu4WeamzoZMotU.jpg)
![Catherine Austin Fitts: "I think of [the Trump admin] as the Rothschild Syndicate... [And] Israel... is like the pit bull on the leash of the guys who run the... Syndicate. "Israel... as psychopathic as they are, they're on a leash... they... do a lot of the criminal work." This clip of Catherine Austin Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, investment banker, and founder of the Solari Report (The Solari Report | Catherine Austin Fitts), is taken from a discussion with Ryan Cristian (The Last American Vagabond), Derrick Broze (Derrick Broze), Hrvoje Morić (Geopolitics & Empire), et al. posted to The Conscious Resistance YouTube channel on March 12, 2026. ----------------Partial transcription of clip--------------- "We have a commentary on the website that is, it's called Was Jeffrey Epstein the Father of Programmable Money? And it's a very well-done Substack by a guy who's writing under the synonym of ESC. And he does the best job I've ever seen of describing how the Rothschild Network works. "And I use the European pronunciation, so forgive me, the Rothschild Network, okay. As far as I'm concerned— So some of the Iranians have been calling this, referring to the US administration as the Epstein Syndicate, but I think of it as the Rothschild Syndicate. "And, I point you to that Substack because it does such a great job of describing them. I think this administration is very much part of that syndicate and has been for a long time. It comes very much related to the Epstein operation. I don't think that Trump and his people are making the key decisions here. "[And] Israel, to me, Israel is like the pit bull on the leash of the guys who run the Rothschild Syndicate. And they use that group to do a lot of the criminal work and a lot of the dirty tricks and whatever. But they're on a leash. They're not— You know, the Rothschild Syndicate is running this, the central— that's the equity around the central banks. That's what's running this. "And Israel is, is, you know, some, you know, as psychopathic as they are. They're on a leash... "So let's go back to the money. The US has $6 trillion a year of expenses, $4 trillion a year of revenues, $2 trillion coming directly from the banks. And, and part of that flow is going to Israel is— how long can Israel go without that flow coming through from that pot of money? So who controls that pot of money? That's what we're looking at. And what do they need, what do they need to keep this game going?"](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2045955343428272292/amplify_video_thumb/2045952556304920576/img/A3BuH4ix0fgJ0mbt.jpg)
!["Our greatest foe is not pharma. Our greatest foe is millions and millions of wonderful doctors and people who do not want to face the fact that they have participated in poisoning their own families and children and selves [via 'vaccines']." This clip of Catherine Austin Fitts—a former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, investment banker, and founder of the Solari Report (The Solari Report | Catherine Austin Fitts)—is from a recent episode of the Children’s Health Defense series Financial Rebellion.](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1900325503719907523/ext_tw_video_thumb/1900323913369837568/pu/img/vRSrhT6neWQIrsC5.jpg)
![Catherine Austin Fitts: "Is... Epstein the father of programmable money? Of course, the answer [is] yes. Although he was an agent for what is described... as the Rothschild Network... [and re:] Bitcoin, [I] have been saying this is a prototype to create CBDC and digital money." This clip of Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, investment banker, and founder of the Solari Report (The Solari Report | Catherine Austin Fitts), is taken from the Children's Health Defense series Financial Rebellion (Children’s Health Defense) posted to Rumble on March 5, 2026. ---------------Partial transcription of clip--------------- "There's a new commentary at Solari called Is Jeffrey Epstein the Father of Programmable Money? Of course, the answer being yes, although he was an agent for what is described, I think very correctly as the— As the Rothschild Network. "So in America, many people say Rothschild. I was brought up, using the European Rothschild, but same network. And, the commentary at Solari points you to a series done by a writer, writing anonymously, anonymously under the name of ESC, ESC, as in Escape, and what our commentary does is it points you to all the posts from January 30th on, and in my opinion, this is the single best, after Whitney Webb, this is the single best description of the Epstein Network and the governance of the Epstein Network. "And the goal of the Epstein Network. If you study what Epstein was doing, he was, in my opinion, laundering money, including money coming out of the United States government. That's not what ESC focuses on. What he's focusing on is how Epstein reinvested that money as the equivalent of venture capitalist and philanthropist, seeding the development of programmable money. And seeding people, both in academia and business, in all aspects of life, building and operating the different pieces you need to prototype and create digital money, including Bitcoin. "So Carolyn and I, since the beginning of Bitcoin, have been saying, this is a prototype to create CBDC and digital money. And, you know, there's a wonderful group of freedom fighters in that community who've been very, I would say very negative towards us is the only way I can describe it. And I just had one of the top luminaries of that whole world write me and say, oh, my God, you were right. Will you be in our documentary? Like, thank you, Houston. We have contact. "Anyway, so ESC has done a marvelous job. I can't recommend it. Just read everything from January 30th on, and he describes how Epstein developed and ran this and sort of built a prototyping. And then, as Whitney Webb has told us, you know, once that all got institutionalized, you don't need Epstein anymore, particularly when you got FASAB 56, which we've talked about many times. "And so, you know, out Epstein goes because now we've institutionalized. And that's why, you know, Whitney will talk about Palantir as part of the now institutional capacity of what, you know, Epstein is a venture capitalist or philanthropist, helped seed and get started. But now it's being institutionalized. "And the important thing to think of is this is like a booster rocket. After the booster rocket gets you to a certain point and you can institutionalize, then you just eject the booster rocket and keep on going. And if you look at the, the, you know, if you look at the investment network, which are basically the equity pool around the central banks. "So I'll just talk about it as the people who control the central banks. Once you've got the central banks ready to implement digital assets and stablecoins as programmable money, you don't need Epstein. You can let it go. "And if you look at the lot of scandal of getting rid of the booster rocket, they're talking about the very lurid parts of Epstein, but they're not talking about the control grid and how to stop it with this exception. And I think this is why this substack series is so exceptional. And if you really want to understand what Epstein was up to, but more importantly what the structure that managed and controlled Epstein, whether it was the intelligence agencies or the investment money in and around the central banks that wants total digital control. "So Epstein was building the control grid, you know, prototyping, distributed ledgers was all part of that. He put a lot of money into mind control because the neuro warfare is a very, very important part of it."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2029751236510278106/amplify_video_thumb/2029748943412940801/img/wEv4kp2KnHTQy9yx.jpg)
![Catherine Austin Fitts: "The bankers increasingly run everything...[and] we saw in Davos, Larry Fink... very aggressively promoting that they intend to move the entire financial system into this kind of digital control grid. So it's becoming very open... what they intend to do" This clip of Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, investment banker, and founder of the Solari Report (The Solari Report | Catherine Austin Fitts), is taken from a discussion with General Michael Flynn (General Mike Flynn) posted to Flynn's eponymous Rumble channel on February 4, 2026. ----------------Partial transcription of clip--------------- "Grossly oversimplified, there's a movie that says all wars are bankers' wars. And in my experience, the bankers increasingly run everything. And what we're watching I call a financial coup d' etat. Because the bankers have decided, you know, for many, for several centuries, we've had a balance of power between the people's representatives controlling fiscal policy or taxation and the bankers controlling monetary policy. "And now the bankers have decided to use digital technology to essentially assert control of the fiscal side of the house as well as the monetary side of the house. And they can do that with CBDC or with stablecoins and asset tokens as programmable money. And they're moving to do that. "We just saw in Davos, Larry Fink, who's the acting co-chair of WEF, very aggressively promoting that they intend to move the entire financial system into this kind of digital control grid. So it's becoming very open the descriptions of what they intend to do. "Essentially, you're looking to collapse the Republic and go to a system where the bankers control both monetary and fiscal policy. And whether they leave the legislative representatives in the executive branch in place as a theater or not, I don't know. "This could, you know, it's very fluid and it could go in many directions. And one of the things to understand is one of the reasons this has been able to happen, it's been very incremental for decades, is the federal government does not run its financial statements and its financial operations in accordance with the law, and they don't properly disclose it. And we've had many Americans going along with that. The attitude has been, as long as I get my check, I'm okay with the system as it is."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2021447827382304912/amplify_video_thumb/2021446347489148935/img/3TtPwWa2G5loh1Zr.jpg)
![Catherine Austin Fitts: "Epstein was financing... all [the] different parts of the control grid... software like Palantir or... crypto and programmable money... [it's] the whole infrastructure... to do Gaza in America... [but] this can't be an independent Mossad operation without complete integration with the New York Fed member banks and the CIA. It just can't... the infrastructure is controlled by the US Empire, so to speak." This clip of Catherine Austin Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, investment banker, and founder of the Solari Report (The Solari Report | Catherine Austin Fitts), is taken from a video posted to the Solari Report YouTube channel on February 15, 2026. ----------------Partial transcription of clip--------------- "If you look at what Epstein was financing and networking, he was financing and networking with the money he was presumably laundering all these different parts of the control grid. "So if you look at the digital control grid, whether it's the infrastructure and software like Palantir, or it's crypto and programmable money, you know, if you look at what's shown in these files, he is steadily financing and networking the whole infrastructure of what you're going to need to do Gaza in America. "If you look at the control that the New York Fed member banks have, whether of the government as depository or running the exchange stable, stabilization fund, or money going in and out, wire transferring the country, the Mossad and Israel can't do anything unless the New York Fed member banks, and therefore the CIA are on board for it. "So this can't be an independent Mossad operation without complete integration with the New York Fed member banks and the CIA. It just can't. It's the, you know, the infrastructure is controlled by the US Empire, so to speak."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2023130967976931803/amplify_video_thumb/2023128184691261441/img/a-NpHXQRfugAqtQM.jpg)
!["If you go back to 9/11, when Wesley Clark said, 'We're going to invade 7 countries in 5 years,' ...[those] were the countries [whose] central banks were not on board to do programmable money... I think one of the reasons we're seeing so much tension around Iran is because Iran right now is the big leakage in the system." This clip of Catherine Austin Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, investment banker, and founder of the Solari Report (The Solari Report | Catherine Austin Fitts), is taken from a conversation with Tucker Carlson (Tucker Carlson) posted to YouTube on February 27, 2026. ---------------Partial transcription of clip--------------- Fitts: "Since 1913, the United States has had a governmental structure where the central bank, the Federal Reserve, which is the Board of Governors in Washington, and the 12 central banks, manage monetary policy. So they basically, working with the banks, run the financial transactions. The New York Fed runs the governmental accounts, they control the government bank accounts. "And their policies of fed funds, interest rate and money onto the reserve tracks affects the money supply and basically the money supply and how the money works, okay? So it's more complicated than that because they have lots of regulatory functions, but the people vote for their representatives. "So whether it's the State House or the Congress, they vote for elected representatives from their jurisdiction and area. And those people decide fiscal policy, which is what taxes do we collect, what tariffs do we collect, what bonds do we sell and raise money, and how does that money get spent? "So my representatives, your representatives, are determining fiscal policy, and the bankers are determining monetary policy. And it's a balance of power between the people and the bankers. Now with the digital control grid and programmable money, the bankers can assert control of fiscal policy and they can just decide what the taxes are and take them out of your account. And they can essentially determine the rules of how it all gets spent. "And so it's a very— it's sort of a financial coup d' etat that over time they want to assert complete control of fiscal and monetary policy. And essentially the legislatures will go to being sort of show and tell or go out of business. We're moving quickly in that direction where the legislatures in every country are becoming less powerful, in many cases irrelevant. "So here's my theory though. If you go back to 9/11, and when Wesley Clark said, 'We're going to invade seven countries in five years,' what you were talking about were the countries where those central banks were not on board to do programmable money, and their governance structures were not on board with essentially because of Epstein, I'll call it the Rockefeller–Rothschild model, there was an effort to say, okay, we're gonna basically assert control of the central banks in those countries. That's my interpretation. "And I think one of the reasons we're seeing so much tension around Iran is because Iran right now is the big leakage in the system." Carlson: "How? Wait, it's not about their nukes?" Fitts: "No. Well, Iran's central bank counts. One of the reasons it counts is because their oil and energy is very important, including for China. And that's very important in the BRIC system. What the BRIC system is trying to do is to create independent payment systems. "But if you're going to come out with programmable money with digital IDs that are interoperable globally and programmable money that that controls in each jurisdiction centrally. You can't afford leakage, and so you've got way too much leakage in the system to proceed with what they're trying to do. "And Iran is, and the BRIC nations are a sticking point and certainly Iran's oil feeding China gives China greater independence."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2027470467448377612/amplify_video_thumb/2027468301073555456/img/E812SWXdkTAk8MAe.jpg)
!["They put Trump in to get the control grid... [and he gets an] A+++. He's done a fabulous job... But... I don't think they need [him] anymore. That doesn't mean they're gonna get rid of him, but if they wanna get rid of him with Epstein, they can... by the end of the year...." This clip of Catherine Austin Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, investment banker, and founder of the Solari Report (The Solari Report | Catherine Austin Fitts), is taken from an interview with Paul Buitink (Paul Buitink 🎙) posted to the Reinvent Money YouTube channel on August 3, 2025. ---------------Partial transcription of clip---------------- "So I think they put Trump in to get the control grid. And we have, at Solari, we have a collection that we update every week of all the things the administration is doing to build the control grid. And I have to tell you, if I had chosen Trump to get the control grid, and I was going to grade him on his performance to date, he gets an A plus plus plus. He's done a fabulous job. And I can't imagine another politician who could have done this much this fast "But if you look at what they've achieved, I don't think they need Trump anymore. Now, that doesn't mean they're gonna get rid of him, but if they wanna get rid of him with Epstein, they can. "So I don't know if he was using a lot in the campaign. I think Kash Patel was using it a lot, and I think Dan Bongino was using it a lot. "So here's who pushed it. And I didn't realize this until recently, because I was very early on in saying QAnon was a hope porn and ridiculous and not to pay any attention to it. But what I didn't understand was QAnon made a very big deal about Epstein and pedophilia and Trump secretly cleaning it all up. "And basically the Democrats were engaged in pedophilia and they were at the heart of Epstein and Trump was going to secretly clean it all up. So QAnon apparently made a huge deal about Epstein. And, you know, that is seriously, in my opinion, and I say this because I know many people trapped in it, you know, it's a cult, it's just a completely adult fairy tale, but they believed it. And so now that he's coming out and saying, oh, it was a hoax, you know, Epstein is a hoax, it flies completely in the face of the cult. So now we've got a really big problem. And I don't know why he didn't put it back in the box. I don't know why. "If the people who run the system want Trump out, they can use Epstein to do it. It will work, and they can get him out by the end of the year if they want."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1952122249986666576/amplify_video_thumb/1952120117757657088/img/l96SqupzemNJldgH.jpg)
![Fitts: "We were warning people from the beginning, don't take the shot. Don't take the shot. Don't take the shot... because... our leaders not only don't care about us, they are absolutely willing to kill us." Carlson: "They like it. People love killing. I mean, that's why they always have. That's why they continue to do it. They pretend they don't love it, but they do love it. And I know people who do it, and they love it." This clip of Catherine Austin Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, investment banker, and founder of the Solari Report (The Solari Report | Catherine Austin Fitts), is taken from a conversation with Tucker Carlson (Tucker Carlson) posted to YouTube on February 27, 2026. ---------------Partial transcription of clip--------------- "A friend of mine used to call it getting hit by the smite button. When the system betrays you in a way that is very harmful to you, whether because you're injured by pharmaceuticals or the medical system or your money is stolen in the financial crisis, when the system does something that really harms you, it forces you to change your operating system. "And I think the financial crisis, harmed a lot of people. But then the pandemic really harmed a lot of people. Yeah, that's right. And I will tell you, Tucker, we were warning people from the beginning, don't take the shot. Don't take the shot. Don't take the shot. "And then, at the end of 2022, I were big Wim Hof fans. Do you know who Wim Hof is in the Netherlands? Okay, so we're huge Wim Hof fans...[And] at the end of '22, Wim Hof had just published the Wim Hof Method. And I said to, I sent an email to everybody at Christmas time, and I said, if you've been harmed by Covid, let us know and we will send you a free copy of the Wim Hof Method because we think this can really help. "And we ended up giving away 250 copies because we would get these letters, they would write in and they would say what had happened to them as a result of the lockdowns and losing their job or the shot. Tucker, I'm not a sentimental person. I would burst into tears reading these stories. It was so horrible. And, we just kept buying books and giving them away because I would get these letters that say, this is the first time anybody's done anything nice to me for three years. "And it was so helpful to people. And Wim Hof is such a loving presence in people's lives and he makes you laugh. And the method really helps. So we just kept getting more books and giving them away because it was so horrible. And I think the pandemic shifted a lot of people because they realized our leaders not only don't care about us, they are absolutely willing to kill us." Carlson: "Yeah, I think, it imbues them with a feeling of godlike strength. They like it. People love killing. I mean, that's why they always have. That's why they continue to do it. They pretend they don't love it, but they do love it. And I know people who do it, and they love it."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2027588064575689217/amplify_video_thumb/2027586130766663680/img/Q6eX1Wto53SVvkVw.jpg)
![Catherine Austin Fitts connects Iran and the control grid: "Iran... is the largest leakage... if you're [doing] programmable money globally." "This [isn't about] American national interests. [It's] a syndicate asserting... control [for] the next phase of the financial system." "Our debt is... unsustainable... [so] how do you deal with that? One way... is to implement a digital control grid." "There is likely to be an effort to put boots on the ground and... to get bogged down... for a long, long time." This clip of Fitts, a former Assistant Secretary of Housing and Urban Development, investment banker, and founder of the Solari Report (The Solari Report | Catherine Austin Fitts), is taken from an interview with Steve Kirsch (Steve Kirsch) posted to the VSRF (Vaccine Safety Research Foundation) Rumble channel on April 2, 2026. ---------------Partial transcription of clip--------------- Fitts: "There are two sides of the balance sheet here that are driving this. One of course is oil and energy, but the other is the financial control grid. Because Iran right now is the largest leakage in the system. If you're going to do a global, programmable money globally, you know, Iran and, and what Iran is doing with China and some of the other countries, puts too much leakage in the system. "So I think that what is unfortunate here is there is, there is likely to be an effort to put boots on the ground and we are likely to get bogged down in there for a long, long time. Kirsch: "So do you think that is the right thing to do for America to have boots on the ground or even be involved in attacking Iran? I mean we were the first aggressor here. We, we fired the first shots in Iran. Is that the right thing to do for our country? Fitts: "That is the right thing to do if you want to implement the digital control grid. It's not the right thing to do if you want to represent America. But this has nothing to do with American national interests. This has to do with essentially a syndicate asserting sufficient control to implement the next phase of the financial system." Kirsch: "So you think they got to Trump and convinced Trump or wasn't it really Israel saying hey, we're going to invade Iran and we'd like some— Why don't you do it with us? Because there's an opportunity and Trump saw that as opportunistic rather than this being something that is strategic." Fitts: "So the way I think of this is the White House operates within a lane that is set for them by the nature of the machinery they're running. So think of it this way. The US government spends $6 to $7 trillion a year and it gets $4 trillion of revenues and the other $2 to $3 trillion comes in from borrowing in the bond market essentially through the central bankers. "And so it, it has to, you know, and if you say to the Americans, you know, we're going to tell the bankers to go jump in the lake, the Americans say no, no, no, no, we want our check. And so you're between an Iraq and a hard place because everybody in America wants their check. "And you've got to do what the bank, you've got to operate within those lanes to make the bankers happy. And if you look at the whole US dollar reserve currency system, you've got to do whatever you've got to do to make the system go. "And right now, and the chairman of the Federal Reserve just said this... [that] the debt is growing at a faster rate than our fundamental growth rate. And, you know, if you look at one of the, you know, the big push by Kennedy and HHS to change the food and health issues in America, part of that is to get that growth rate back up. You can't get a growth rate from poisoning your people. Ultimately that doesn't work for economic growth. "So all of these issues are integrated... but our debt is growing in an unsustainable pattern. And the question is, how do you deal with that? One way you deal with that is to implement a digital control grid in a way that uses digital tokens and stablecoins to dramatically suck in more money globally into the machinery. And that's what they're trying to execute. So if you want the digital control grid, you know, what is happening makes sense."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2039863685666288061/amplify_video_thumb/2039859553215664128/img/hRYWS5-QwoLgcgZ5.jpg)