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Pi Agent vs OpenCode token usage A lot of people recommended Pi Agent so I decided to check Pi Agent took 1.1k tokens in first turn OpenCode took 11.5k Setup: 1) Trimmed OpenCode (from usual 30k first turn to 11.5k) - 0 MCPs - 2 lightweight plugins (opencode-env-protect and...

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raymel 👋 profil fotoğrafı
raymel 👋6 ay önce

I'm also disabling all my MCPs and rebuilding my workflow with CLI-based skills Token economics are changing fast, with subscriptions becoming more token constrained 50-100k tokens per turn from MCPs alone is a recipe to hitting usage limits fast As an MCP maximalist I'm going to miss how predictable MCPs are. Models are going to get one CLI argument wrong most of the time

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ProxySoul6 ay önce

@pseudokid now try SoulForge

raymel 👋 profil fotoğrafı
raymel 👋6 ay önce

wow thanks for sharing!

Agentic Up profil fotoğrafı
Agentic Up6 ay önce

pi has less number of tools and extensions available, so its going to be more token efficient

raymel 👋 profil fotoğrafı
raymel 👋6 ay önce

I agree

Artificial Guy / João Vitor A. profil fotoğrafı
Artificial Guy / João Vitor A.6 ay önce

i think need to compare and understand where this tokens going and if its help or not the daily coding... i dont think its useful to just compare raw vs modded... maybe pi with 5k prompts can be even better than pi 1k or opencode 11k (but yeah, 11k is a lot )

raymel 👋 profil fotoğrafı
raymel 👋6 ay önce

Totally. I agree. I'm about to figure out if less tokens with Pi and a more capable but slightly expensive model is enough to do the things that I can do with the cheapest in OpenCode Go which is deepseek v2 flash

Prashanth (Manohar) Velidandi profil fotoğrafı
Prashanth (Manohar) Velidandi6 ay önce

Now try the same model from different providers. Like @InferXai and someone else.

raymel 👋 profil fotoğrafı
raymel 👋6 ay önce

@InferXai $20/mo for @InferXai right?

Prashanth (Manohar) Velidandi profil fotoğrafı
Prashanth (Manohar) Velidandi6 ay önce

@InferXai Yes. While we are in beta and limited spots very limited available.

Ahmad Awais profil fotoğrafı
Ahmad Awais6 ay önce

have you tried @CommandCodeAI $1 Go plan? also i think a great system prompt helps you!

raymel 👋 profil fotoğrafı
raymel 👋6 ay önce

@CommandCodeAI saw their ad a couple of days ago and i might actually try is system.md better than agents.md?

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Albert Gao6 ay önce

I have the same experience for local models. Was trying Gemma 4, qwen 3.6 locally on my M5 Max 128GB with Opencode+Ollama, found it is pretty slow, until I accidentally tried pi with the same repo…damn, it is night and day…is it because it has a gigantic system message? No MCP, no skills, just factory default for both. Also, Codex CLI is awesome to use👍

raymel 👋 profil fotoğrafı
raymel 👋6 ay önce

I'm seeing a lot of people using Qwen 3.6 locally. I also find Pi being too light and fast. Users start from nothing so you they control what they put in it. Saving tokens is just a side effect of that imo. Which one you find better, Gemma 4 or Qwen 3.6?

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FrenchToasters6 ay önce

Just go ahead and run some of those longer tasks with context in the 140k range. You’ll really see who is cheaper then

raymel 👋 profil fotoğrafı
raymel 👋6 ay önce

About to do that, that's the real test

A. F. ♪ profil fotoğrafı
A. F. ♪6 ay önce

Have you compared it with @CommandCodeAI yet? I haven't tried it yet (hopefully before the end of the month) but I have been seeing a lot of wonders about them and their process. Like

Kris 👾 profil fotoğrafı
Kris 👾6 ay önce

I agree with you! Don’t know much about stats. But I used an agent workflow in opencode and then just gave a try in pi, there’s slight usage difference that I noticed, then optimized in pi itself now for each workflow run it hardly cost 10 cents to me with MiniMax M2.7

raymel 👋 profil fotoğrafı
raymel 👋6 ay önce

I feel like MiniMax M2.7 and even M2.5 will run better on Pi just because of Pi's minimalist approach I have problems with these models for long-running tasks in OpenCode. Easy to lose key and recent details that even older gens Mimo V2 and Kimi K2.5 will never lose My theory is it easily gets distracted so it has to be given one single coherent point of focus Can't have system prompts competing with system wide AGENTS.md and task brief

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ffswunnd6 ay önce

Because opencode it's a coding harness with longer instructions.

Shreyash profil fotoğrafı
Shreyash6 ay önce

@grok is Pi Agent better than Opencode in terms of perf and cost ?? What's opinion of devs on X ??

Rambone profil fotoğrafı
Rambone6 ay önce

How does no system prompt work? It jut gets tool schemas and runs with it?

raymel 👋 profil fotoğrafı
raymel 👋6 ay önce

I'm still new to Pi, but I simply didn't use a SYSTEM.md for it I also noticed that Pi relies on the terminal, just like Codex Desktop. OpenCode has its own Read and Write tool and bash.

Atharva Verma profil fotoğrafı
Atharva Verma6 ay önce

Try with @justsisyphus too

Alex profil fotoğrafı
Alex6 ay önce

So you put two different models into two different harness and concluded?

Andrew R profil fotoğrafı
Andrew R6 ay önce

Did you save the first turn and look at it? Bc I am skeptical the pi is including your Agents file

raymel 👋 profil fotoğrafı
raymel 👋6 ay önce

I thought so too. So I tried probing it and it understood the AGENTS.md I have to test more and learn about the internals of Pi agent I only have the usage record from my OpenCode Go dashboard. Tokens used and price and that's it.

Nazmus Sayad profil fotoğrafı
Nazmus Sayad6 ay önce

in output which seems better?

raymel 👋 profil fotoğrafı
raymel 👋6 ay önce

still testing it!

Nati profil fotoğrafı
Nati6 ay önce

This is kinda misleading in longer tasks.

raymel 👋 profil fotoğrafı
raymel 👋6 ay önce

I'm about to figure it out, the real answer lies there

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武蔵6 ay önce

@thdxr

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CEO del Socialismo de Mercado🌹🕊️ 市场社会主义CEO6 ay önce

@Teknium

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fecolinhares6 ay önce

there's support for rules.md, commands and agents on pi besides just the skills and agents.md ?

Storm profil fotoğrafı
Storm4 ay önce

Same pattern I've seen, most of the burn isn't the model, it's re-reading everything every turn. Building ThinkForge, search-first indexing (pull only relevant chunks, cache what's read) cut first-turn cost more than any model swap did.

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