please change soloq drafting format

I might be wrong but sounds like you got out played in champ select by them playing mind games with there picks

whats my counterplay when theres no logic to where champions are going? You cannot predict enemy to play varus mid in a lobby that has annie yone in it, theres no outplay

Dont get me wrong i agree, there fr is no counterplay here, i just think maybe that was the point from the enemy team to force you guys in to bad runes. But will say i do agree they should probably implement what u said in master and up, but it will take away the pre game mind games

Nope thats not their point at all, their mid wanted to play varus thats all

I mean yeah but i think thats the point they mostly play it mid, most likely cuz they know its un expected. Atm varus is mostly picked bot and top if im not wrong.

Nope, almost nobody purely picks a champion because haha im gonna prank this guy Its just a side effect

You forgot to point out another reason that this should be changed. With introduction of role quests, you cannot swap lanes with people to get out of losing matchups. As your point concludes, the team with the most variance gets a HUGE boost out of champ select.

Sounds like you just got astrogapped in champ select? Maybe learn other champs so you can flex aswell? Garbage XD

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i often play offmeta and that's part of the counter meta to trick people like that in draft. i get what you're saying, but it conveniently benefits you. the discrepancy between soloq and pro play is interesting tho

Riot added rolequests to the game, you are more tied to your role now, You already have a massive advantage before all champs are locked in that your champion could be anywhere, makes no sense to be loading into a game with wrong setup because unlucky :D

you also get flamed and reported for playing offmeta by regarded collegiate and failed lcs players in soloq and you have a higher chance of getting your acc banned so, we take what we can get

You didn't mention it but with quest it's even worse, they can swap roles in champ select and then you can't reswap lanes in game So lets say they lock malphite into vayne and galio into sylas if you roleswap enemies will have to play galio vs vayne and malphite vs sylas and can't reswap XD

good point Veigar Version Two.

Maybe I'm just retarded but I think that flex picking into an off meta role is a valid stratagem to throw your opponents off whether purposeful or not. every team loads in with advantages and disadvantages. The only thing worth addressing is how some champs can legit rainbow role

bro is master and still doesnt know THAT HES NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHO HES AGAINST

@RiotPhroxzon Please make it happen. Its such a reasonable take and there are no downside to it.

At the start i was like fk me another guy crying about weird picks, but u went completely on a different direction and i can definitely confidently say u r completely right, its smth thatn hasnt crossed my mind but runes and summs heavily depend on the enemy

That’s the risk of counterpicking. Pick the runes best for your champ if you’re unsure.

Most players are Gold, so Riot balances around average skill. But high elo should feel different. At D2+ there could be a separate balance philosophy: – Buff fighters top – Buff assassins mid

womp womp

Who really wants roles watered down. Jayce should be top with like 10-15% of play being mid. Nidalee should be jg. Champs being outside the role they should be just muddies the beautiful specificity the game has.

Personally id lean into not making every champ a flex pick. There is no reason that half of all champions can be played in jungle.

competitive brain veigar main take

100% agree, I will add 2 examples that happen to me this week, vs ahri top instead of gp and vs cass top instead of poppy, second one is more understanding, but the first one was like, hope do I prepare against that?

since there are no laneswaps anymore anyways there should be an animation in champion select: YOU ARE AGAINST: [CHAMPION] even if they trade for mid role it should swap in real time

After the introduction of role quests, I agree this should definitely be the case. Yesterday I got Anivia top as Illaoi while they had Darius Akali. Ofc Darius would be jgl, but I picked before the whole lineup was revealed. I would've loved to swap with my Mel mid but couldn't.

I like your idea. However, i see one problem. If its like Sylas Jayce vs Malphite Akali (Top Mid), you dont want MvS and AvJ. So if you want to establish this system, you need to disallow rolw swap at this very point. Otherwise its who had the most luck swapping in the end.

Well of course, they would lock roleswaps at 20 seconds till game start

I would love to see your idea beeing patched in.

Notice how everyone that's against this has the most dogshit brainlet take of all time. This is literally how it is in the fucking world championship. No excuse to leave it a guessing game in solo queue.

Valid i hate that riot is making every champ work in every role. Like just accept to role locking a champ… this is a great somewhat solution tho!

@Fabianyelol

Valid points, worth considering. @RiotPhroxzon @drewlevin

good take, just show whos where after last champ is locked so my top/mid dont go 0/10 from having disadvantageous runes

Yeah at the of draft when you are given what ever X seconds till match starts just have the game scramble the champions back in their designated role to the spots we know from top to bottom so if you are slow to adjust the other guys just won their “draft outplay” against you. I think that adds visibility and also some challenge instead of just brain afk picking runes

Tssk skill issue but yes i would acknowledge this point is valid but only because of role quests it's funny we're back to the Omnistat Dilemma and Riot has to be very careful here because that's part of what killed DotA

Yeah maybe it wasnt that necessary last year but this year with role quest you're just fucked into weird matchups with terrible runes, you can't swap, AND it's not helped by the fact that every ad, ap champion can go ADC and every toplaner and midlaner can go jungle and viceversa

Why do you think you NEED the know your enemy? What a retard

And it's every game too. Every single game I have to play a who's-who guessing game with lane assignments. Oops guess it wasn't malzahar mid but actually malzahar adc and now i've counterpicked myself. Fun!!!!

There are bigger issues than this.

I dont believe it i have to say it in ur comment section but.... L take

Lol get fucked

yea especially lane swaps aren't "legal" anymore, you cant even set up a scenario where you match your lane against the person you want big agree