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please change soloq drafting format

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Pichu 的头像
Pichu9 个月前

I might be wrong but sounds like you got out played in champ select by them playing mind games with there picks

Veigarv2 的头像
Veigarv29 个月前

whats my counterplay when theres no logic to where champions are going? You cannot predict enemy to play varus mid in a lobby that has annie yone in it, theres no outplay

Pichu 的头像
Pichu9 个月前

Dont get me wrong i agree, there fr is no counterplay here, i just think maybe that was the point from the enemy team to force you guys in to bad runes. But will say i do agree they should probably implement what u said in master and up, but it will take away the pre game mind games

Veigarv2 的头像
Veigarv29 个月前

Nope thats not their point at all, their mid wanted to play varus thats all

Pichu 的头像
Pichu9 个月前

I mean yeah but i think thats the point they mostly play it mid, most likely cuz they know its un expected. Atm varus is mostly picked bot and top if im not wrong.

Veigarv2 的头像
Veigarv29 个月前

Nope, almost nobody purely picks a champion because haha im gonna prank this guy Its just a side effect

BYUAdam 的头像
BYUAdam9 个月前

You forgot to point out another reason that this should be changed. With introduction of role quests, you cannot swap lanes with people to get out of losing matchups. As your point concludes, the team with the most variance gets a HUGE boost out of champ select.

Skrrrpoppop 的头像
Skrrrpoppop9 个月前

Sounds like you just got astrogapped in champ select? Maybe learn other champs so you can flex aswell? Garbage XD

Veigarv2 的头像
Veigarv29 个月前

XDtrueXD

Satanael 🌗 的头像
Satanael 🌗9 个月前

i often play offmeta and that's part of the counter meta to trick people like that in draft. i get what you're saying, but it conveniently benefits you. the discrepancy between soloq and pro play is interesting tho

Veigarv2 的头像
Veigarv29 个月前

Riot added rolequests to the game, you are more tied to your role now, You already have a massive advantage before all champs are locked in that your champion could be anywhere, makes no sense to be loading into a game with wrong setup because unlucky :D

Satanael 🌗 的头像
Satanael 🌗9 个月前

you also get flamed and reported for playing offmeta by regarded collegiate and failed lcs players in soloq and you have a higher chance of getting your acc banned so, we take what we can get

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KURONEEL9 个月前

You didn't mention it but with quest it's even worse, they can swap roles in champ select and then you can't reswap lanes in game So lets say they lock malphite into vayne and galio into sylas if you roleswap enemies will have to play galio vs vayne and malphite vs sylas and can't reswap XD

Erik Wessén 的头像
Erik Wessén9 个月前

good point Veigar Version Two.

Cardemi 的头像
Cardemi9 个月前

Maybe I'm just retarded but I think that flex picking into an off meta role is a valid stratagem to throw your opponents off whether purposeful or not. every team loads in with advantages and disadvantages. The only thing worth addressing is how some champs can legit rainbow role

SilentSchema 的头像
SilentSchema9 个月前

bro is master and still doesnt know THAT HES NOT SUPPOSED TO KNOW WHO HES AGAINST

InkedNerd 的头像
InkedNerd9 个月前

@RiotPhroxzon Please make it happen. Its such a reasonable take and there are no downside to it.

Adoniiis 的头像
Adoniiis9 个月前

At the start i was like fk me another guy crying about weird picks, but u went completely on a different direction and i can definitely confidently say u r completely right, its smth thatn hasnt crossed my mind but runes and summs heavily depend on the enemy

chroam 的头像
chroam9 个月前

That’s the risk of counterpicking. Pick the runes best for your champ if you’re unsure.

Veloryn 的头像
Veloryn9 个月前

Most players are Gold, so Riot balances around average skill. But high elo should feel different. At D2+ there could be a separate balance philosophy: – Buff fighters top – Buff assassins mid

byebuy BOZO 的头像
byebuy BOZO9 个月前

womp womp

Thomcat 的头像
Thomcat9 个月前

Who really wants roles watered down. Jayce should be top with like 10-15% of play being mid. Nidalee should be jg. Champs being outside the role they should be just muddies the beautiful specificity the game has.

KingViego 的头像
KingViego9 个月前

Personally id lean into not making every champ a flex pick. There is no reason that half of all champions can be played in jungle.

Intuishen 的头像
Intuishen9 个月前

competitive brain veigar main take

Jose Carlos Jiménez 的头像
Jose Carlos Jiménez9 个月前

100% agree, I will add 2 examples that happen to me this week, vs ahri top instead of gp and vs cass top instead of poppy, second one is more understanding, but the first one was like, hope do I prepare against that?

MILLENNIUM EYE 的头像
MILLENNIUM EYE9 个月前

since there are no laneswaps anymore anyways there should be an animation in champion select: YOU ARE AGAINST: [CHAMPION] even if they trade for mid role it should swap in real time

Just_a_Folk95 (Ryusei) 的头像
Just_a_Folk95 (Ryusei)9 个月前

After the introduction of role quests, I agree this should definitely be the case. Yesterday I got Anivia top as Illaoi while they had Darius Akali. Ofc Darius would be jgl, but I picked before the whole lineup was revealed. I would've loved to swap with my Mel mid but couldn't.

Kuda 的头像
Kuda9 个月前

I like your idea. However, i see one problem. If its like Sylas Jayce vs Malphite Akali (Top Mid), you dont want MvS and AvJ. So if you want to establish this system, you need to disallow rolw swap at this very point. Otherwise its who had the most luck swapping in the end.

Veigarv2 的头像
Veigarv29 个月前

Well of course, they would lock roleswaps at 20 seconds till game start

Kuda 的头像
Kuda9 个月前

I would love to see your idea beeing patched in.

⚡Big Dondo⚡ 的头像
⚡Big Dondo⚡9 个月前

Notice how everyone that's against this has the most dogshit brainlet take of all time. This is literally how it is in the fucking world championship. No excuse to leave it a guessing game in solo queue.

Allangaming 的头像
Allangaming9 个月前

Valid i hate that riot is making every champ work in every role. Like just accept to role locking a champ… this is a great somewhat solution tho!

Wes 的头像
Wes9 个月前

@Fabianyelol

EpicDBagger 的头像
EpicDBagger9 个月前

Valid points, worth considering. @RiotPhroxzon @drewlevin

Maro 的头像
Maro9 个月前

good take, just show whos where after last champ is locked so my top/mid dont go 0/10 from having disadvantageous runes

GalaaxXy 的头像
GalaaxXy9 个月前

Yeah at the of draft when you are given what ever X seconds till match starts just have the game scramble the champions back in their designated role to the spots we know from top to bottom so if you are slow to adjust the other guys just won their “draft outplay” against you. I think that adds visibility and also some challenge instead of just brain afk picking runes

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Josh Abrogena9 个月前

Tssk skill issue but yes i would acknowledge this point is valid but only because of role quests it's funny we're back to the Omnistat Dilemma and Riot has to be very careful here because that's part of what killed DotA

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Rectal Anarchy 🇨🇱 🇵🇸9 个月前

Yeah maybe it wasnt that necessary last year but this year with role quest you're just fucked into weird matchups with terrible runes, you can't swap, AND it's not helped by the fact that every ad, ap champion can go ADC and every toplaner and midlaner can go jungle and viceversa

Verso | 🍀 的头像
Verso | 🍀9 个月前

Why do you think you NEED the know your enemy? What a retard

Cydristrasz 的头像
Cydristrasz9 个月前

And it's every game too. Every single game I have to play a who's-who guessing game with lane assignments. Oops guess it wasn't malzahar mid but actually malzahar adc and now i've counterpicked myself. Fun!!!!

RandomFishSteakFinger 的头像
RandomFishSteakFinger9 个月前

There are bigger issues than this.

Xatos 的头像
Xatos9 个月前

I dont believe it i have to say it in ur comment section but.... L take

Official G4tv 的头像
Official G4tv9 个月前

Lol get fucked

Emiki 的头像
Emiki9 个月前

yea especially lane swaps aren't "legal" anymore, you cant even set up a scenario where you match your lane against the person you want big agree

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