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Responding to Jack Mallers On BTC Mining Centralization

15,894 次观看 • 15 天前 •via X (Twitter)

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Cato The Elder 的头像
Cato The Elder15 天前

Bitcoiners apparently forgot how to be adversarial. When people bring up fees & game theory to hand waive the centralization problems, I’m shocked. What’s the game theory of nation states losing access to hundreds of trillions of the money printer? Would they perhaps oppose it?

Some Human | Blake2B 的头像
Some Human | Blake2B15 天前

Jack Mallers arguments are based on a beautiful vanilla strawberry cake. Everything is perfect, nothing can go wrong.

systemic_threat #XBT 的头像
systemic_threat #XBT15 天前

I like Jack Mallers, but he's a finance guy, not a systems engineer.

BitcoinBoomer 的头像
BitcoinBoomer15 天前

Another GREAT video...Thanks Matthew! Far too many folks new to Bitcoin forgot that they shouldn't be trusting ANYONE in the space. If a 'capture' scenario is possible, you can bet that nation-states and/or 'trad-fi' are going to exploit them to their benefit.

BlueRidgeBitcoin ⚡️ 的头像
BlueRidgeBitcoin ⚡️15 天前

Hey @jackmallers please respond.

Rory D Fpic 的头像
Rory D Fpic15 天前

Regarding the CBDC issue, I believe this is why Core 30 blew open OP_RETURN. Eventually it will be used on every transaction to place notes to help track who owns what UTXO.

Stephen P #BIP-110 的头像
Stephen P #BIP-11015 天前

Best video in awhile, thanks Matt. I think the game theory is very difficult to understand while Bitcoin is so nascent. If most of the world depended on Bitcoin for daily survival (I.e. Bitcoin standard), things would be much more benign, stable and comprehensible when it comes to these topics.

Garcia Czar ⚡️ #BIP-110 BLAKE2b 的头像
Garcia Czar ⚡️ #BIP-110 BLAKE2b15 天前

I like @Strike. I've used it. It was, and still is, an easy way to use bitcoin lightning easily, and to buy/sell bitcoin (BTC). However, I won't be using Strike anymore until they give everyone access to the BLAKE2b chain coins that they're holding for everyone since the fork.

The ₿itcoin Dj ⚡️ 的头像
The ₿itcoin Dj ⚡️15 天前

@jackmallers smh 🤦

_rektbtc 的头像
_rektbtc15 天前

@jackmallers the window to be on the right side is closing, what say you?

Mike The Knife 的头像
Mike The Knife15 天前

Responding to Jack Mallers On BTC Mining Centralization ...

silentpredator ∞/21M 的头像
silentpredator ∞/21M15 天前

There is no miner centralization because there are too many miners out there and they can switch pools immediately whenever they want. So stop talking bullshit

Hardfork Kratter 的头像
Hardfork Kratter15 天前

I address that objection here:

Jim Wallberg QUAI+BLAKE2b 的头像
Jim Wallberg QUAI+BLAKE2b15 天前

Randy coin

_rektbtc 的头像
_rektbtc15 天前

@DonalDevine who?

Kurt Kintz ⚡️ ∞/21M #BIP110 的头像
Kurt Kintz ⚡️ ∞/21M #BIP11014 天前

@jackmallers you will lose me as a Strike customer as long as you do not make the forked coins accessible. I don't care if it's only a 24-window to access those coins. If you want to remain in good standing with the bitcoin community, you will make it happen.

Braindoniann 的头像
Braindoniann15 天前

Coffee and kratter time

No_2_Best 的头像
No_2_Best14 天前

@jackmallers

Taba 的头像
Taba15 天前

The risk of fiat money has always been political. Fed debases politically. Inflation is political. The bueaty of Bitcoin is to resist these political actions through technicalities. If "Technicals" get corrupted or malfunctioned, the invention is fully doomed.

1-year Coinbase Maturity Dave BIP-110⚡️ 的头像
1-year Coinbase Maturity Dave BIP-110⚡️15 天前

@nderchris Chooses to ignore this information.

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Victor Jackson15 天前

I'm not ready to raise the red flag on Mallers just yet but it's getting close. He comes off as being naive and drunk off the spirits of Bitcoin here more than a malicious actor. I think he is not beyond saving or redeeming himself just yet. If he allows Strike to hold and trade in XBT alongside BTC at the very least that would be a strong and bold move on his part if lets the best fork win. That said, NeoxEx has been looking younger and hotter lately...

Cache Sensitive 的头像
Cache Sensitive15 天前

If they can't pull the power cord out of the wall, it's not centralization. Individual miners retain full control over their transaction selection, pool choice and whether or not the machine is even powered on. Also, a pool attempting 51% attack is economic self-annihilation.

Hardfork Kratter 的头像
Hardfork Kratter15 天前

You didn’t even watch the video, did you?

Cache Sensitive 的头像
Cache Sensitive15 天前

Yes. A lot of incredibly extreme outlier scenarios presented that, to be perfectly honest, if I made a list of 1000 concerns, would lie somewhere between 980 - 1000.

Hardfork Kratter 的头像
Hardfork Kratter15 天前

What would be the top 3 concerns if you made that list?

Cache Sensitive 的头像
Cache Sensitive15 天前

1. Fraud & Social Engineering. This is rampant scares people away. 2. Division and infighting. Beginners looking for straightforward guidance see noise and a toxic culture. 3. Tech barrier to entry. Storing 12 or 24 random words to backup to your life savings turns people off.

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Hardfork Kratter15 天前

None of these are actual concerns, unlike centralized mining. Bitcoin toxic maximalism is Bitcoin's immune system, and you cannot protect the network if you're willing to tolerate scammers. As for backups, being your own bank is really hard, and it's not a tech problem. What you're actually describing is how fiat money has made modern people extremely weak

Cache Sensitive 的头像
Cache Sensitive14 天前

Sure. But that means they're also weak because they also don't kill what they eat, sleep outside, or survive without dependence on governments. One way or another people find the way of least friction. I'm saying a network needs network effect. Without users there is no network.

rational_optimist 的头像
rational_optimist15 天前

Thanks for making a lot of sense again on the main chain ;)

Diego 的头像
Diego14 天前

@grok is this important or bad to us the individuals? Does that mean they can capture Bitcoin?

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