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Shutting Down a Revised Islamic dilemma that aims at proving Torah preservation MID-Debate… Christianity’s BEST Failed To Present the argument Successfully. Yikes

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David Dr. David Wood, I told you that I'm not a Prophet, but I predicted exactly what you would do. David Wood, Avery, and company now after losing our debates badly, openly admit that some verses of the Qur'an contradict their authority claims in the Islamic Dilemma! Why? Because I buried them on this point and collected a lot of jizyah in their church. Notice that David is acknowledging that I AM representing their position on authority in the Islamic dilemma correctly. Have they ever admitted that there are verses in the Qur'an that say that the Torah and/or Injeel are NOT PRESERVED/ARE CORRUPTED OR NOT INSPIRED? No! Never! That's exactly why my argument has them conceding new territory that they've never done before. Now that they've admitted this, all I need to continue doing is demonstrating the hermeneutical implications by their admission because this point carries directly over into the inspiration and preservation parts of the Islamic Dilemma. Thanks Dave. You cheered me up on a difficult day for me. See the videos of David's admission below that are in agreement with his responses to my posts here:

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