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Solid analysis here on Tatis Jr. and his swing-tilt + attack angle; The one portion I think MVM left out is both/either of: 1. The lack of hip coil and backside energy load 2. Weight distribution at foot strike Here's Tatis Jr. and Mookie Betts side by side Check... show more

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Mission Valley Mafiavor 6 Monaten

He looks like he’s getting too stacked on back leg instead of coiled. Good catch. You can also see Mookies attack Angle here is much better than Tatis right now

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Yeuwiivor 6 Monaten

Didn’t he have a leg injury ? Maybe that messed up his mechanics permanently?

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Ya, he's hitting off his front foot.

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JBvor 6 Monaten

Shoulder surgery destroyed his swing mechanics. It never gets brought up for some reason. Getting away from the 1 handed follow through zapped some of his pop. Same thing it did to Bellinger after his surgery

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Scottvor 6 Monaten

Fernando tinkered himself into a slump. Dude needs to stop tinkering and trust his brain. That will work way better than all this technical analysis.

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Ray Bvor 6 Monaten

I train a major league hitter in the winter. He pulls everything in the air to the pull side. I drill we work on everyday is a half a tennis ball under his back foot. Has to rotate without back foot coming off the ground. Tatis had a forward slide and hitting off his front side.

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Everybody is digging into the swing, but his whole approach is awful.

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