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“Swift, the original idea was factor complexity (…) massively failed, in my opinion (…) Swift has turned into a gigantic, super complicated bag of special cases, special syntax, special stuff” lesson learned from Chris Lattner on Swift

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Marcin Krzyzanowski1 year ago

“instead of fixing the core, what the team did, both when I was there, so partially my fault, but also subsequently, is they started adding all these special cases (…) a lot of this stuff got added under extreme time pressure to enable a feature like #SwiftUI. And there's a bunch of stuff that feeds into that, as well as just the language gets more and more and more and more complicated.”

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Marcin Krzyzanowski1 year ago

the whole interview with Chris Lattner

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kache1 year ago

The only reason anyone uses swift is because they are forced to

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Marcin Krzyzanowski1 year ago

not necessary today. but that's how it got popular. it wasn't by choice, for sure.

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Dr. Michael Lauer1 year ago

Indeed. But dont‘t you dare to express this opinion on the Swift forum, the thread will be closed soon.

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Marcin Krzyzanowski1 year ago

I don’t feel welcomed and safe on swift forum, therefore I do not participate in these discussions

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Rasmus Andersson1 year ago

Yup. Swift’s problems: - Overly complex “all ideas combined” language - Single-vendor compiler (ie poor portability = risky investment)

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Manuel Chakravarty🦋@tacticalgrace.justtesting.org1 year ago

Yes, but that happens with basically every programming language. C is somewhat of an exception, but also stuck in the stone ages. Go is to some extent an exception on purpose and limits itself in that way. I’m not saying that everything is perfect in Swift, but it’s pretty good.

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Mark Cornelisse1 year ago

I’ve been saying this for a long time. Objective-C is far easier to learn and use.

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guillaume chereau1 year ago

At this point swift seems to be as complicated as C++, basically a “write only” language.

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