The problem with Stolas is that he was literally written and introduced as Creepy Evil Ass Rape Bird before they decided to make him an uwu soft boy. It's baked into his batter, and without retconning Murder Family, no amount of "fixing" going to undo the coldness of that intro.

There were ways to salvage his character, albeit not in a way that made him universally beloved (which is what Viv wants), but they opted to go with "Blitz's fault for communicate not good," which only serves to make Stolas look like a gaslighting liar.

I dropped Hazbin and Helluva boss super early but from what I remember (and from what receptions like) this all seems like "what if Kentaro Miura wanted everyone to like Griffith after the golden age arc."

100% this, spot on, no notes.

"Viv got impatient" and "all the development happens in her head, not on screen" are exactly what I thought when I was watching HH and HB back in the day. Nothing in her shows feels impactful, because nothing is really earned. It just appears on its own and insists upon itself

Es como si hicieras una masa para galletas y al final decides hacer pan casero y le quieres poner sal

Exactly, this! The cookie dough was delicious, it was doing everything it was supposed to do. But it's too late to be bread because you filled it with cookie dough ingredients.

This is spot on, I remember watching the first episode of Hazbin Hotel and being so confused bc yeah I saw the pilot and liked it, sorry I didn't saw the interviews, Q&A's, comics, etc., she just materialises things and we just have to tune in to whatever she likes from fans...

Justamente, y la seriie y sus fans tratan de justificarlo con todas las nuevas escenas cuando el que le metan que el también es víctima no quita que aún así sigue siendo malo en varias cosas y todo es por su escritura y el cambió de rumbo de la serie

He was supposed to be the villain, but dear Viv let her kinks get ahead of the story. Thus we have Sauron being written as a damsel in distress.

I think Stolas would have been way cooler as a problematic borderline antagonist holding his power and grimoire over Blitzøs head, the dynamic of Stolas ALLOWING blitz power for a price is way more “demon princey” and way more interesting than the whiny soft boy act

That’s the problem with literally all of her stuff the way she fanonizes it

That sounds right. I totally see how stolas was supposed to gradually become better and become more romantic only for the series to suddenly and inexplicably turn him into the sweetest and most romantic twink alive, or least what the show thinks that is.

Murder Family hasn't been canon for over a year, Mission Zero replaced it

Mission Zero is supposed to be replace the pilot and be Murder Family adjacent. (Which is dumb because Pilot Stolas was fine. He wasn't using magic bubbles and had no reason to believe Blitzo was uncomfortable.)

Porque están tanta gente obsesionados con la violacion ? Porque les encanta la idea que un personaje sea SA ? Me impresiona la cantidad de gente que esta molesta porque no hay una vioacion en esta serie

This is what people who say there's no rape in Helluva Boss look like.

Oye ya hablaron varias personas víctimas de SA y dijeron que les incomoda que usen esa palabra así nada más en una situación que no lo es , entiendo que te obsesione las vioaciones pero debes ir a terapia

And plenty of other SA victims have said that Stolas behaves exactly like their abusers, so maybe both get to have opinions about this. Signed, a CSA victim.

😭😭😭

Also most of season 1, episode 2 is just as bad