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This is a pertinent clip from Sam Harris on the moral difference between Israel and her enemies. The moral difference comes down to understanding the answer to this question: what would each side do if they had the power to do it? TRANSCRIPT: The truth is that there is...

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Colin Wright3 years ago

This is from episode 2 of his Making Sense podcast titled "Why Don't I Criticize Israel?" published in 2014.

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Melissa Chen3 years ago

Yes I remember this. Poignant and reasoned elegantly. Sam Harris at his best.

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Scott Adams3 years ago

Dumb analysis. Israel doesn't have the power to do whatever it wants.

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Brian Atwood3 years ago

Despite his recent cringe he’s right on this one

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Scott G3 years ago

When Sam is right, he’s right. And says it with a conviction and clarity that is hard to refute.

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Justine Deterling Kreher3 years ago

& the comparison the left likes to make between Israel & apartheid South Africa is offensive. There was always a jewish presence in the area that had scores of colonizers. & the Europeans who came there saw the holocaust coming or came fleeing it or after it. Also, 2 state solution was rejected.

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Rodrigo Bressane3 years ago

Sam Harris Vintage Edition is a treat.

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Barbelo of the Pleroma3 years ago

How did Sam Harris go for 3 minutes without mentioning Trump

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SCOBY Bryant ☝️🤨☝️3 years ago

cannot say both: "What would the Jews do?...they can do more or less anything they want." & "Every time a Palestinian child dies, Israel edges ever closer to becoming an international pariah." Israel relies on the West. If unconstrained, we don't know what they would do.

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John Achterhof3 years ago

I think Sam Harris makes a valid criticism of Hamas and the effect of religious indoctrination on Palestinians but the culpability to the extreme negative polarization seems to me not so one-sided as he suggests. Palestinians may be the more extreme side - more prone to irrational, impulsive, counterproductive acts of violence - but the feelings of in-group vs. out-group tribalism, revenge seeking and grudge holding that drive the negative polarization exist in varying degrees in all people(s) as has become clear in contemporary American society.

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