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This is a pertinent clip from Sam Harris on the moral difference between Israel and her enemies. The moral difference comes down to understanding the answer to this question: what would each side do if they had the power to do it? TRANSCRIPT: The truth is that there is...

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Colin Wright2 年前

This is from episode 2 of his Making Sense podcast titled "Why Don't I Criticize Israel?" published in 2014.

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Melissa Chen2 年前

Yes I remember this. Poignant and reasoned elegantly. Sam Harris at his best.

Scott Adams 的头像
Scott Adams2 年前

Dumb analysis. Israel doesn't have the power to do whatever it wants.

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Brian Atwood2 年前

Despite his recent cringe he’s right on this one

Scott G 的头像
Scott G2 年前

When Sam is right, he’s right. And says it with a conviction and clarity that is hard to refute.

Justine Deterling Kreher 的头像
Justine Deterling Kreher2 年前

& the comparison the left likes to make between Israel & apartheid South Africa is offensive. There was always a jewish presence in the area that had scores of colonizers. & the Europeans who came there saw the holocaust coming or came fleeing it or after it. Also, 2 state solution was rejected.

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Rodrigo Bressane2 年前

Sam Harris Vintage Edition is a treat.

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Barbelo of the Pleroma2 年前

How did Sam Harris go for 3 minutes without mentioning Trump

SCOBY Bryant ☝️🤨☝️ 的头像
SCOBY Bryant ☝️🤨☝️2 年前

cannot say both: "What would the Jews do?...they can do more or less anything they want." & "Every time a Palestinian child dies, Israel edges ever closer to becoming an international pariah." Israel relies on the West. If unconstrained, we don't know what they would do.

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John Achterhof2 年前

I think Sam Harris makes a valid criticism of Hamas and the effect of religious indoctrination on Palestinians but the culpability to the extreme negative polarization seems to me not so one-sided as he suggests. Palestinians may be the more extreme side - more prone to irrational, impulsive, counterproductive acts of violence - but the feelings of in-group vs. out-group tribalism, revenge seeking and grudge holding that drive the negative polarization exist in varying degrees in all people(s) as has become clear in contemporary American society.

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Sam Harris articulating why "using human shields" versus "being deterred by them" tells you "everything you need to know about the moral imbalance between Israel and her enemies." TRANSCRIPT: The truth is that everything you need to know about the moral imbalance between Israel and her enemies can be understood on the topic of human shields. Who uses human shields? Well, Hamas certainly does. They shoot their rockets from residential neighborhoods, from beside schools, and hospitals, and mosques. Muslims in other recent conflicts, in Iraq and elsewhere, have also used human shields. They have laid their rifles on the shoulders of their own children and shot from behind their bodies. Consider the moral difference between using human shields and being deterred by them. That is the difference we’re talking about. The Israelis and other Western powers are deterred, however imperfectly, by the Muslim use of human shields in these conflicts, as we should be. It is morally abhorrent to kill noncombatants if you can avoid it. It’s certainly abhorrent to shoot through the bodies of children to get at your adversary. But take a moment to reflect on how contemptible this behavior is. And understand how cynical it is. The Muslims are acting on the assumption—the knowledge, in fact—that the infidels with whom they fight, the very people whom their religion does nothing but vilify, will be deterred by their use of Muslim human shields. They consider the Jews the spawn of apes and pigs—and yet they rely on the fact that they don’t want to kill Muslim noncombatants. Now imagine reversing the roles here. Imagine how fatuous—indeed how comical it would be—for the Israelis to attempt to use human shields to deter the Palestinians. Of course, that would be ridiculous. The Palestinians are trying to kill everyone. Killing women and children is part of the plan. Reversing the roles here produces a grotesque Monty Python skit. If you’re going to talk about the conflict in the Middle East, you have to acknowledge this difference. I don’t think there’s any ethical disparity to be found anywhere that is more shocking or consequential than this.

Colin Wright

1,635,248 次观看 • 2 年前

Question from journalist: “France says that they will support Palestinian statehood in the next short while. You’ve described that as a reward for Hamas here. Other countries like Australia are also walking down this path. Not quite there yet. How much of this is a reward for Hamas, and how much of it is actually countries like those who have repeatedly said Israel does have a right to defend itself, but are now struggling to stomach what they’re saying you and your military are doing in Gaza?” -- Prime Minister Netanyahu’s Response: “Well, first of all, those who say that Israel has a right to defend itself are also saying, but don’t exercise that right. When we do what any country would do, faced with this genocidal terrorist organization that has performed the worst attack on Jews since the Holocaust, I think we’re actually applying force judiciously. And they know it. They know what they would do if they’re right next to Melbourne or right next to Sydney. You had this horrific attacks. I think you would do it, at least what we’re doing, probably─ maybe not as efficiently and as precisely as we’re doing it. We’ve lost quite a few soldiers in that effort. But, that’s the first thing. I think that, the second thing you ask is a Palestinian state. Well, the assumption, the prevailing assumption, in this, is that the problem that we have with the Palestinians is the absence of a Palestinian state. And if they were given a Palestinian state, they would stop the efforts to destroy the Jewish state. But the Palestinians were offered a state many times, including in the partition resolution, and they turned it down. They were offered statehood by my predecessors with lavish, lavish concessions. They turned it down. Because the Palestinians are not about creating a state; they’re about destroying a state. That’s why they opposed the Jewish national movement to create a state. It’s called Zionism. They opposed it before the inception of the Jewish state, and they’ve opposed it since. They’ve opposed it when they had Judea and Samaria, the West Bank and Gaza in their whole. They didn’t say, let’s start, let’s create a state there. They didn’t say that, because, again, their goal is the destruction of a state. It defies imagination or understanding how intelligent people around the world, okay, including seasoned diplomats, government leaders and respected journalists, fall for this absurdity. It’s so easy to verify, you know. And look at the PA. Okay. Look at the Palestinian National movement today is divided between two forces: The Palestinian Authority in Judea and Samaria, and Hamas in Gaza. Okay. Hamas in Gaza had a de facto state. It had a state and it used it to launch a war of terror against Israel, because their doctrine, that is, that the destruction of Israel should proceed with forceful and direct military and terrorist moves. That’s what they did on October 7th. That’s what they’ll do again if we don’t destroy them. The Palestinian Authority, on the other hand, says, ‘No. First, Israel has to be reduced to indefensible boundaries. You’ve got to get them out. With the ICC, with the UN, with the Security Council resolutions: Drive them to indefensible boundaries and then deliver the blow, because Israel is too strong in its present configuration.’ These discussions are open. They’re held. Anybody─ you don’t need Israeli Intel for it, believe me. You can just scour the web, you’ll find it. Okay. So they have no difference about the goal. That’s why the Palestinian children in Judea and Samaria and the Palestinian children, that is, the Palestinian children under the PA, and the Palestinian children under Hamas are educated with exactly the same textbooks. That’s why the PA calls its public squares against mass killers of Jews. That’s why they have pay for slay: The more Jews you murder, the more you get paid. Or your family gets paid. I mean, so that that’s the crux of the problem. The real reason that this conflict persists is not because of the absence of a Palestinian state, but the persistent Palestinian refusal to recognize a Jewish state in any boundary. Now, when you give them a Palestinian state, when they haven’t abandoned the goal of destroying the Jewish state, all you’re doing is you’re making, you’re bringing the next war closer. Again, Hamas had a state. You just brought the war closer. And if you did the same thing in Judea and Samaria, right above Tel Aviv, enveloping Jerusalem, some say cutting Jerusalem into two, that’s all that’s gonna happen. You’re going to have the radicals again take it over, Iran, take it over, and start a state from improved boundaries, start a war with improved boundaries. That’s not going to happen. I think the solution to this problem is that the Palestinians should have all the powers to govern themselves in the places where they live, and none of the powers to threaten Israel. They should obviously reform their whole education system. They should reform their whole historical outlook and say, ‘All right, you know, we accept that Israel is here to stay,’ not as a fact, as a physical or geographic fact, but as a fact of historical equity. You know, if they want to live here, next to us, they have to stop seeking our destruction. And to give them an independent state, with all the trimmings, is to invite a future war and a certain war. And that’s something that, today the Israeli public forcefully opposes. Before the war, by the way, it was about, you know, a third [for a Palestinian state] / two thirds [against], in the overall population. Probably 60 [against a Palestinian state]/40 for a state. Or even more, against [a state] in the Jewish population. But now it’s changed more dramatically [to more against a state]. I mean, we had a vote in the Knesset, a few months ago, about the possibility, you know, of having a Palestinian state. And the result was 99 to 9. 99 to 9. And that covers a very broad spectrum. And today most of the Jewish public is committed – is against the Palestinian state for the simple reason that they know it won’t bring peace, but it’ll bring war. To have uh, European countries, and Australia, march into that rabbit hole – just like that, fall right into it ─ and buy this canard is disappointing. And I think it’s actually shameful. But it’s not going to change our position. Again, we will not commit national suicide to get a good op-ed for two minutes. We won’t do that. Thank you very much.”

Max 📟

77,213 次观看 • 10 个月前

“I’m Just Astonished That You Can’t Make the Difference Between the Jews and the Israelis” — Ahmed Alnaouq to Piers Morgan. For nearly 20 months, Piers Morgan has repeatedly claimed that Hamas’s stated goal is to “kill all the Jews” — a false framing that dehumanizes Palestinian resistance to Israeli occupation by stripping it of political context and painting it as rooted in antisemitism. This narrative has been key to justifying Israel’s brutal genocidal assault on Gaza, where a war of annihilation has been waged through systematic destruction and the indiscriminate mass killing of civilians — civilians who are routinely dismissed as “Hamas supporters” to excuse their deaths. In an exchange yesterday, Palestinian journalist Ahmed Alnaouq called out Piers’ longstanding claim, pointing out that Palestinian resistance opposes Israeli occupation — not Jews. Alnaouq stressed that the fight is against colonization, not religion. He also told Piers Morgan: ➤ “Bad journalism kills. Israel could not carry out a genocide in Gaza without the justification of the mainstream media.” —— Here’s part of the exchange: ⬇️ Piers Morgan: “I’m telling you they are an undisguised death cult, intent on killing as many Jews as they can… You talk about genocide — that is genocide — when you want to kill as many Jews as you can kill.” Ahmed Alnaouq: “That’s the problem. You always say they want to kill the Jews. Our problem is not with the Jews — even Hamas’s problem is not with the Jews. It is with the Israelis. We never had a problem with the Jews. We love the Jews as much as we love the Christians.” Piers Morgan: “Why do they kill so many Jews, then?” Ahmed Alnaouq: “They did not kill Jews. They killed Israelis. And I don’t justify killing Israelis. But our problem is with the occupiers.” Piers Morgan: “How many of the people who were killed were not Jewish?” Ahmed Alnaouq: “It doesn’t matter. They were attacked because they were Israelis, not because they were Jews. This is not a religious war. This is a war between colonization and colonized, occupiers and occupied.” Piers Morgan: “I’m astonished that you would draw a distinction. Most of them are Jewish.” Ahmed Alnaouq: “Please, there’s a huge difference. I'm surprised that you're saying this, please genuinely, I'm surprised. There a huge difference.” Piers Morgan: “You’re surprised that I think Hamas targets Jewish people?” Ahmed Alnaouq: “Of course. That’s a ridiculous thing to say.” Piers Morgan: “They’ve made no secret of it. They obviously target and murder as many Jewish people as they can.” Ahmed Alnaouq: “I am the last person on earth to defend Hamas. But just because I don’t like Hamas does not mean I’m going to exaggerate and lie about them. The Palestinians’ problem is against Zionism and Israeli occupation — not against Jews. Because they occupied our country, because they're colonizers, because they came to our country kicked us out in 1948 and they killed thousands of Palestinians including my grandparents.”

Drop Site

301,844 次观看 • 1 年前

“Jews are our enemies not because they occupied Palestine. They would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing.” Egyptian cleric Muhammad Hussein Ya’qoub on Al-Rahma TV: “If the Jews left Palestine to us, would we start loving them? Of course not. We will never love them. Absolutely not. The Jews are infidels – not because I say so, and not because they are killing Muslims, but because Allah said: “The Jews say that Uzair is the son of Allah, and the Christians say that Christ is the son of Allah. These are the words from their mouths. They imitate the sayings of the disbelievers before. May Allah fight them. How deluded they are.” It is Allah who said that they are infidels. Your belief regarding the Jews should be, first, that they are infidels, and second, that they are enemies. They are enemies not because they occupied Palestine. They would have been enemies even if they did not occupy a thing. Allah said: “You shall find the strongest men in enmity to the disbelievers [sic] to be the Jews and the polytheists.” Third, you must believe that the Jews will never stop fighting and killing us. They [fight] not for the sake of land and security, as they claim, but for the sake of their religion: “And they will not cease fighting you until they turn you back you’re your religion, if they can.” This is it. We must believe that our fighting with the Jews is eternal, and it will not end until the final battle – and this is the fourth point. You must believe that we will fight, defeat, and annihilate them, until not a single Jew remains on the face of the Earth. It is not me who says so. The Prophet said: “Judgment Day will not come until you fight the Jews and kill them. The Jews will hide behind stones and trees, and the stones and tree will call: Oh Muslim, oh servant of Allah, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him – except for the Gharqad tree, which is the tree of the Jews.” I have heard that they are planting many of these trees now. As for you Jews – the curse of Allah upon you. The curse of Allah upon you, whose ancestors were apes and pigs. You Jews have sown hatred in our hearts, and we have bequeathed it to our children and grandchildren. You will not survive as long as a single one of us remains. Oh Jews, may the curse of Allah be upon you. Oh Jews... Oh Allah, bring Your wrath, punishment, and torment down upon them. Allah, we pray that you transform them again, and make the Muslims rejoice again in seeing them as apes and pigs. You pigs of the earth! You pigs of the earth! You kill the Muslims with that cold pig [blood] of yours.”

Drew Pavlou 🇦🇺🇺🇸🇺🇦🇹🇼

207,516 次观看 • 1 年前

Chas Freeman: Hamas is a resistance movement which has been resisting for 70 years absolutely outrageous treatment and Israel in many eyes has become an abomination on the face of the Earth. The Israelis have made it very clear—despite what some in the United States are saying—that they have absolutely no intention of ever permitting self-determination for the Palestinians. And yet without that self-determination, Israel cannot enjoy security and the Middle East as a whole will continue to be in a state of chaos. And so the world would like to see a two-state solution. I don’t believe at all that the Israelis wanted this attack but they have taken full advantage of it to do what they always intended which is to try to depopulate Palestine. So they have done this in a particularly brutal and highly objectionable fashion which is justifiably called genocide. And the Israelis simply do not understand that what they have done in response to October 7th has almost completely erased the international outrage that that attracted at the time. And Israel in many eyes has become an Abomination on the face of the Earth. Hamas is a resistance movement which has been resisting for 70 years absolutely outrageous treatment by Israel and the Israeli settlers. And Israel is a government, an elected tyranny, which tyrannizes and terrorizes the Palestinian population with the objective of expelling them from their homeland. No, there is no equivalence at all. What Hamas did is understandable. What Israel is doing is inexcusable. This is the view of the world. But what it has become is evil. And it is recognized as such almost everywhere now. Nobody shares the values Israel is now exhibiting: the racism, the murderous spirit, the utter inhumanity, the defiance of international decency, international opinion, and the rule of law. Nobody, nobody can sympathize with that. The Palestinians are just as entitled to self-determination and the right to defend themselves as Israelis are. You can’t have peace, we have learned, without addressing the Palestinian issue. And Israel remains determined not to address it except in terms of ethnic cleansing. That will not work. The notion that somehow or other the international community or Israel or the United States can wish Palestinian nationalism out of existence and impose a government on the Palestinians that they have not selected for themselves just won’t work. There must be democratic self-determination on the part of the Palestinians, and they, not Washington or Jerusalem or Tel Aviv, will be the ones to decide who governs them.

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12,134 次观看 • 2 年前

Ceasefire now, people say. But what does that actually mean? So ceasefire is what we've had on October 6th and what we all want, obviously. But President Biden said it best. Ceasefire and a hostage deal, he said, is at the hands of Hamas. President Biden said that Israel put down a rational offer because Israel is a rational country. The problem is that Hamas is not a rational actor. It is a genocidal Jihadi terrorist organization that doesn't care about the lives of Palestinians. And people in the West have been yelling ceasefire now at the wrong side of this war. Hamas has rejected countless ceasefires. Hamas and Iran are not trying to build a better life for the Palestinian people. You have to understand what Hamas and Iran are doing right now is they're actively trying to inflame the entire Middle East right before the holy month of Ramadan, which as President Biden said is going to be very, very dangerous. And this is exactly what they are after. There is currently a multi-front war going on in Israel in which Israel is being attacked by Jihadi terrorists from all sides, all prompted, pushed, and sponsored by Iran. Hamas, according to what was published, said that they have Israel exactly where they want her. That means the international pressure is on Israel to stop the war so that Hamas can remain in power in Gaza. So if you're calling at Israel to ceasefire, you're doing the bidding of Hamas. Hamas does not want to ceasefire. They're going to do whatever it takes in order to maintain power, including hiding in the elaborated tunnel system that they build instead of building a Palestinian state and remain in power at the cost of Israeli children and Palestinian children. It's time to dehamasify Gaza. And next time you demand a ceasefire, just make sure you aim it at the right direction. As President Biden said, this is at the hands of Hamas.

Noa Tishby

127,122 次观看 • 2 年前

Let’s just get this straight. Anti-Zionism is antisemitism. Antisemitism is not just racism or hatred. It’s a shape-shifting conspiracy theory. And every few generations it changes into something different. Now people are literally saying, oh, we’ll just get rid of Israel and everything will be fine. It shifts into something different, in which takes everything bad that was said about the Jews, everything that you attributed to the Jews as the worst thing in history, instead of on the Jews, onto Israel. And they attribute the same bloodthirstiness, the same untrustworthiness, the same desire to control and power. Literally take the word Jew and swap it with IDF. They’re standing on the footsteps of colleges in America and they are rehashing. They think they have this new, they found this new cause and unbeknown to them, first of all, they’re rehashing antisemitic tropes from like the 1500s, right? And that obsession that they aren’t even aware of is what allowed for October 7th and October 8th to happen. And that is something that we need to be very careful about, because they’re after taking Israel down. And that would be if they will succeed, and they won’t. But they’re after that. And that is the possible new Holocaust. That would be the calamity of the Jewish people of our generation. And it’s masked as this like, I’m not antisemitic, I’m just an anti-Zionist. No. Antisemitism in a new face. We have to be very careful of it.

Noa Tishby

309,471 次观看 • 1 年前

The #IsraeliPalestinian (#Hamas) war is more important than many people think would think it might be. It's not just about Hamas invading and brutally killing thousands of people in #Israel, and as a result of that Israel retaliating. I've read and looked at the opinions of people from all sides, and I can see that it's not just that. To narrow it down, I will only talk about the perspectives of the people in my own country, Thailand. Most pro-Israel people in Thailand cannot accept that Hamas has crossed the line and has indiscriminately murdered and raped people, including women, infants, and the elderly. which in parts were foreigners, Thai people included. They all want the hostages back and also wish to see Israel eliminate Hamas, to avenge the Thai people who died and so that the people of Gaza can have a good future as well. On the other hand, many people who support Palestine, don't feel like they care about the lives of innocent people in Gaza as much as they hate Israel and Jews in general. Some people will hide their hatred of Jews by saying they only hate Zionist Jews. But that is hating Israel. Why should Jews not have the right to a country in the area where their race originated? The Jew's status of having the right to establish their own country is not inferior to the claimed status of the Palestinians. If those people were worried about the children In Gaza, exactly as they claim. and they are able to discern between right and wrong, they would probably think it would be more appropriate to pressure Hamas to immediately release all the hostages, not to pressure Israel into a ceasefire by citing international law. Which international law addresses the practice of murderous and dismembered terrorists taking up residence in various hospitals? In Gaza, ambulances are also used to transport Hamas Company Limited employees to various locations throughout Gaza. Which international law allows terrorists to set up rocket launchers in children's educational institutions, or have terrorists operating in medical facilities? This war is therefore not just a war between two groups of people that we feel is somehow still distant because this war is actually also a great measure of power between sides that respect reason and various principles, and in a democracy with another side that is willing to tear down every principle, even the various prohibitions within their own religion, but then having the audacity to use the humanitarian principles of the Western world to protect themselves when it is time for them to face attacks that are the result of their own actions who have crossed the line with the other party first. If the side that respects reason wins, the world we know and are familiar with will still be able to sustain itself to a certain extent, but if the side that does not respect principles and is extreme wins, a tsunami of extreme values will sweep over the world. #AlShifa #NoCeasefire #HamasHQ #อิสราเอลฮามาส

karasuwich

69,481 次观看 • 2 年前

Ambassador Chas Freeman: Israel Is Worse Than Nazis It’s very clear what Israel wants. It’s made no secret that it wants to depopulate Gaza by whatever means it can, by starving people into leaving, expelling them, or killing them all. And there’s no question that it meets the definition of genocide. They have the intent to destroy an entire people. They have the ability and they are, in fact, carrying out an operation intended to do so. I think it’s also quite clear why Hamas did what it did. This was in the nature of a jailbreak from the world’s largest concentration camp. And having been treated like animals they behaved like animals. What they did was horrifying, it was inexcusable, but it was understandable. The Israeli reaction has been vastly disproportionate and that is Israel’s custom. It tries to react disproportionately in order to intimidate and deter anyone from attacking it. That is not new but what is new are the genocidal statements and proposed emptying of Gaza. 60% of the buildings in Northern Gaza have been destroyed and we know that over 12,000 Palestinians have been murdered by one means or another. Israel has destroyed most of the hospitals in Gaza. It now seems to be working on the schools. So it is totally ruthless and the whole thing is particularly macabre because it is such a vivid reminder of the Warsaw Ghetto, a very parallel situation in which driven beyond any ability to tolerate what was being done to them, the Jewish inhabitants of the Warsaw Ghetto rose against Nazi Germany and the Nazis exterminated them all and leveled the ghetto. One would think that the survivors of that Holocaust and the larger Holocaust in Europe would not wish to repeat a holocaust against another people but evidently, that is expecting too much of human nature. It now appears that much of the killing at the music festival was actually done by Israeli forces who fired indiscriminately at both the Hamas warriors and the milling crowds at the festival. Similarly, some of the major damage in the kibbutzim and the murders of the settlers there were done not by Hamas but by Israeli forces firing tank bullets into houses and hellfire missiles into cars and so forth. So this was a dreadful beginning to what has turned out to be an absolutely nauseating months and a half of slaughter, not finished. The United States has the ability to stop this by halting armed supplies to Israel but does not do that, opposes a ceasefire in support of Mr. Netanyahu’s revenge against the Palestinians, and Mr. Netanyahu, I would remind you, is on record many years ago as expressing hope for a war in which Israel could expel all the Arabs in its midst and seems to be taking advantage of this to do that hoping, I suppose, that his reputation which has been greatly damaged by charges of corruption and by his suspension of judicial independence in Israel, can somehow be redeemed by this act of revenge. Where we are is a very bad place. What Israel is reporting is extraordinarily crude propaganda, some of it obviously, utterly false, and they’ve been caught. Even some of the mainstream media are beginning to report that the Israeli Defense Forces are lying about a huge number of things. Younger people, generally in the West, certainly in my own country the United States, are far more inclined to be sympathetic to the Palestinians than they ever were before. It’s not that they dislike Israelis but now confronted with with graphic images of horror, the murder of 12,000 [Palestinians], they’re not dispassionate. Not only are they demonstrating in all of the world’s capitals for a ceasefire which their governments declined to support for the most part, but social media is now overwhelmingly pro-Palestinian as opposed to pro-Israeli. But I think the Palestinians, generally, have been motivated to remind the world that they exist. That their problems can’t be set aside. The Israeli government, with the connivance of the Biden Administration, and before that the Trump Administration, was making an effort to set the Palestinian issue aside in order to produce Arab-Israeli normalization. And the Palestinians set out with this raid into Israel to demonstrate that that is impossible, that the only way that you can have peace in Palestine is with a two-state solution. And oddly enough, although Hamas, of course, started as a movement funded in part by the Israelis — Mr. Netanyahu has openly admitted that he corroborated with Qatar to fund Hamas in Gaza in order to divide the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza — I think Hamas seized the moment to provoke Israel into doing exactly what Israel has predictively done in order to make it clear to the world that you have to have a two-state solution which had become a talking point. There was no reality to it at all. There had been no peace process for twenty-some years. Now there must be. People have recognized that the one-state solution — which many favored, meaning a purely democratic one-man-one-vote arrangement in Palestine in which inevitably the Jewish population given its higher level of culture, civilization, and finance, would have called most of the shots — is off the table. After all the hatred that has been demonstrated on both sides, coexistence in one state is obviously impossible in Palestine. Two states, however, would give the Palestinians a stake in peace. They have no stake in peace at the moment. They’re like a rabbit being swallowed by some kind of boa constrictor. As time goes on they go farther and farther down the throat of the snake and they’re crying out, and they were doing so at a pitch that, apparently, no one internationally could hear. And now their cause has been dramatized. We can’t have a resolution of what is going on now that takes the form of another expulsion of Palestinians, more tolerance of massacres, the condoning of genocide... and I think those in the West, including President Biden, who has been prepared to give Israel a pass on these issues, are beginning to pay heavily in terms of their political prestige in their domestic politics. Settler colonialism invariably leads to some attempt at genocide. That was the case in the United States, Canada, and Australia. It wasn’t the case in New Zealand because the Māori were too tough. It wasn’t the case in South Africa because the Zulus, and other South African blacks, were too tough. It wasn’t the case in Kenya because, eventually, black Kenyans rose up in the Mau Mau movement, which was itself a horror, but it did result in a separation from the colonial rule of the British. The same thing could happen. Now the difficulty of all this is obvious in terms of the fact that you’ve got an Israeli cabinet that is the most determined, genocidal cabinet the world has ever seen, and I don’t excuse the Nazi cabinets from that comparison. The overt statements of genocidal intent are unmistakable. There’s no effort, as the Germans did make, to conceal what is in store for the Palestinians. There’s no fake camp for Jews like the one the Nazis set up to bring the Swiss Red Cross in to show how wonderful they were treating the people they had taken away from their homes. No effort whatsoever of that sort, just bombing and strafing and murder on the ground. Israel appears to be paying quite a heavy price for that in terms of combat losses, but, of course, is not reporting accurately what is happening.

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22,276 次观看 • 2 年前