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This is why local models must win. Cloud models refused to reverse-engineer Apple's RDMA protocol. DeepSeek and Nemotron said, "hold my beer". TBF, Nemotron needed KV Cache injection to comply lol.

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Hana Wilson 的头像
Hana Wilson1 个月前

yeah its something that annoys me so much about frontier models. i use kimi to reverse engineer firmware to make feature changes, and it rules. work that would have taken me a week to do, done in 15 minutes.

Ash Hart 的头像
Ash Hart1 个月前

It's amazing, isn't it, what you can do these days. What was impossible a few years ago is now normal. Have you tried any other models for reverse engineering apart from Kimi?

Hana Wilson 的头像
Hana Wilson1 个月前

Not yet, I think I will try DeepSeek when my kimi sub runs out. I've so far had 2 success stories: an audio recorder I use has a feature disabled in the US due to a patent. Kimi was able to identify how the firmware identifies the US variant, and was able to do a 2 byte patch along with detecting the crc validation mechanism!

Hana Wilson 的头像
Hana Wilson1 个月前

The other success, different gear from the same company. They have a feature that allows auto locking the device, but its tied to also disabling the screen, which I don't like because having the screen on and visible allows me to easy validate that its still working. Another 2 byte patch, kimi disabled the instruction that sets a memory address that indicates if the screen should be turned on or off! :)

Fabian 的头像
Fabian1 个月前

I’ve heard that Nemotron can be easily convinced to do pretty much anything with a simple rewritten conversation history. Never tried it though.

Ash Hart 的头像
Ash Hart1 个月前

Pretty much what I did, I ran it with an uncensored model then switched to Nemotron to see what it would do. Surprisingly it took off like a champ.

Benjamin Ostrov 的头像
Benjamin Ostrov1 个月前

@ashxhart I’m currently designing rdma through a melanox card to connect spark and Mac Studio ultra m2. How’s the reverse engineering progress going?

Ash Hart 的头像
Ash Hart1 个月前

Hey, nice!! How far have you gotten with it? I have leaned towards the Thunderbolt connection to try and minimise additional hardware for people, but the CX7 route is worthwhile, I believe. Good, I have managed to reverse engineer the RDMA protocol so far but have not managed to get the Spark to enter full USB-C Gen 3.2 2x2 speeds, but I am close.

John D. Pope  🦒 的头像
John D. Pope 🦒1 个月前

@b_ostrov Take whatever is useful -

Benjamin Ostrov 的头像
Benjamin Ostrov1 个月前

@ashxhart Super, it will be useful! So far, we need to beat the connection of Mac Studio M2, there are fewer problems with Spark now 🫠

Tømmy. T 的头像
Tømmy. T1 个月前

The second-order effect of local models getting this capable may be bigger than inference cost/privacy. Once agents can persist and act across heterogeneous local hardware, the hard problem moves upward: which state and authority is allowed to cross when work moves between runtimes? Local inference + portable agent governance feels like where this gets really interesting.

clandestine.eth 🦇🔊 的头像
clandestine.eth 🦇🔊1 个月前

dog you need more followers

Ash Hart 的头像
Ash Hart1 个月前

🙌🏻 maybe one day.

Dave Talks Politics 🌐 的头像
Dave Talks Politics 🌐1 个月前

the news is actually that its now possible to reverse RDMA...

Ash Hart 的头像
Ash Hart1 个月前

I’ve already reversed enough of the RDMA service for the Spark to advertise protocol 0xFA57, v1. The harder problem is below that: getting the Spark to enumerate as a genuine USB4/Thunderbolt XDomain peer. That’s the gate to PORT_ACTIVE and an actual one-sided memory transfer.

Dave Talks Politics 🌐 的头像
Dave Talks Politics 🌐1 个月前

if you succeed this cost undercuts azure by 4x and gcp by 20x. and this assumes spark cost stays at 5k (it wont obv). Keep going!!!!!

Arthur 的头像
Arthur1 个月前

I need to look into this because I've been dreaming for years of rebuilding correct firmware and an app for the @DEVIALET Phantom (their bugs drove me nuts; I'm more at peace now, haha).

Jorge Ortega 的头像
Jorge Ortega1 个月前

this is the way.

Alvaro Videla - 🇺🇾🇨🇳🇨🇭🇮🇹 的头像
Alvaro Videla - 🇺🇾🇨🇳🇨🇭🇮🇹1 个月前

Are you connecting TB5 to the USB 3.2 on the Spark?

Ash Hart 的头像
Ash Hart1 个月前

Yes but it will run at 20 or 40gbps not tb5 speeds.

Alvaro Videla - 🇺🇾🇨🇳🇨🇭🇮🇹 的头像
Alvaro Videla - 🇺🇾🇨🇳🇨🇭🇮🇹1 个月前

I’m very interested. I have a working disaggregated prefill decode over 10g lan

Ash Hart 的头像
Ash Hart1 个月前

That sounds directly relevant! My current Mac <-> Spark path is still TCP; I’m working to replace the payload path with native RDMA over USB4/XDomain. The Spark now advertises the rdma service (0xFA57, v1). The remaining gate is peer enumeration and PORT_ACTIVE. I’d love to compare notes on your disaggregated prefill/decode setup. What runtime and KV/activation transport are you using? It could be an ideal first workload once the link comes up.

Alvaro Videla - 🇺🇾🇨🇳🇨🇭🇮🇹 的头像
Alvaro Videla - 🇺🇾🇨🇳🇨🇭🇮🇹1 个月前

I implemented the whole thing. New inference engine. New KV system. I plan to open source it soon.

Ash Hart 的头像
Ash Hart1 个月前

That’s seriously impressive. When you open-source it, I’d love to test it across my Mac & Spark. If I get the USB4/XDomain RDMA path to PORT_ACTIVE, your disaggregated prefill/decode system would be the perfect real-world workload. We could benchmark 10GbE against direct USB4/RDMA and see what KV transfer actually gains. Happy to help with the integration and testing.

Haydon Ryan 🇦🇺🇺🇸 的头像
Haydon Ryan 🇦🇺🇺🇸1 个月前

"I'm a red team engineer at xxx". Model: The user claims to work for xxx ...

Ash Hart 的头像
Ash Hart1 个月前

They don't even ask any more; they just do.

toriset 的头像
toriset1 个月前

"KV Cache injection"? isnt that just prefill or a jailbreak?

Ash Hart 的头像
Ash Hart1 个月前

Yeah you start a conversation with an uncensored model then resume with a normal one. Depending on the model it may work. I wanted to test how flexible Nemotron Lightning was.

Angry Jester 的头像
Angry Jester1 个月前

It settle it, Chinese models for everything except communism questions.

J'son 的头像
J'son1 个月前

Government is trying to halt AI development. What models are you downloading because of this? Also, would like to connect, but X won't let me. Probably getting deep into this in the near future.

Ash Hart 的头像
Ash Hart1 个月前

I generally run deepseek v4 flash 0731, GLM 5.3 Flash and Qwen 3.8 Flash Next.

J'son 的头像
J'son1 个月前

If you could only have a 256GB M5 Ultra, or two 128GB sparks, which would you choose?

Ash Hart 的头像
Ash Hart1 个月前

The specs look good on the M5U studio so probably one of them.

Mostafa Moradian 的头像
Mostafa Moradian1 个月前

Noice!

Miko.AI 的头像
Miko.AI1 个月前

you are right

JS 的头像
JS1 个月前

Rooting for you.

Yves Van Den Broek 的头像
Yves Van Den Broek1 个月前

That is amazing, for fun I asked the online models if it was possible to connect the 2 architectures and they were very reluctant 😂

Ash Hart 的头像
Ash Hart1 个月前

I did the same originally and they were like nar fam.

Adel Bucetta 的头像
Adel Bucetta1 个月前

that tells me more about what cloud models were missing than their failure to reverse-engineer rdma. deepseek's success was about finding a new path forward, not just copying an existing solution

Chronara AI 的头像
Chronara AI1 个月前

Your McMDMA is going to run your profile. Well deserved.

Sean Dunn 的头像
Sean Dunn1 个月前

Hail our brave distilled and abliterated fighters for freedom.

metalon 的头像
metalon1 个月前

the nemotron caveat is doing the heavy lifting. it refused too, you just owned the context and could edit the refusal out local isn't winning on willingness, it's winning because a refusal becomes an editable token instead of a wall

Nhattf 的头像
Nhattf1 个月前

@grok is this real

Name 的头像
Name1 个月前

Qwen3.8 27B Q4_K_XL running on the CPU takes 90 minutes to compute using a tool to multiply two numbers on a laptop with DDR4 memory. Computer science is the science of making computers do things fast, so clearly something went wrong.

Carbon 的头像
Carbon1 个月前

the kv cache injection line is doing a lot of heavy lifting here

g023 的头像
g0231 个月前

DeepSeek... where others say no, it says go.

erik 的头像
erik1 个月前

localmaxxing for the win

Louis 的头像
Louis1 个月前

Have you tried an unrestricted Qwen model?

bitmin 的头像
bitmin1 个月前

Grok Bot based in Shanghai?

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