This should explain better to atheists why we accept our delusion

Atheists want to live a life without consequences

You answered it

Fear of eternal punishment Guilt Shame Indoctrination Child indoctrination Suppression of critical thinking Anti-intellectualism Blind obedience Authoritarianism Suppression of doubt Punishment for questioning Censorship Fake miracles Brainwashing Mind control

Is this what we tend to lose if there is no heaven or hell? Ahhh

Religion isn't just about do's and do nots. Its about submission and that is very expensive business.

I like that word Now ask yourself who are you submitting to and what did the person ask from you in that submission

I am submitting to a person (God) and they are asking for my life. I have to lay my life down to pick another. That is literally 'life costing'.

I understand that following God costs you something. Almost everything in life does But that's not what I asked. If heaven and hell don't exist, what makes the sacrifice worth it?

The fact that you think you need to be religious to have any form of self control or consideration for fellow humans speaks volumes on who you really are.

And then I say again, you don't need religion to be a good person, that's cool I need a higher being to tell me. I need to be moral which is also cool Now I ask you, what do I tend to lose when a higher being tells me to be moral and be good?

Would you still be good and moral if the higher being were out of the picture?

Yes. Now I ask you where do you get your own morals from because it must come from somewhere

@specart_ As a human being doctrines and teachings aside, you know what’s Good and what’s Bad, why do you need anyone to teach you?

@specart_ Bro for the sake of this argument let's say there is no God How do you know that something is good or bad I need a good answer

@KINGICYNN @specart_ It's simple, you can tell things are bad or good base on how they made you feel when you are at the receiving end of it. That's why the saying "treat others how you want to be treated". morals and ethics has nothing to do with religion it's psychological

@KINGICYNN @specart_ But bro feeling bad doesnt automatically make something wrong. Losing a job can make you feel terrible but your boss may have had good reason. A child can feel bad when you tell them no but sayng no can still be the right thing. So feelings alone cant be the standard for morality

Sincerely, I'm not a fan of RELIGION. The teaching of Christ himself wasn't about promoting religion. Christ thought people about how to leave a decent life through certain principles and instructions.

This is not about religion

Sincerely it does in someway, for example as an isese believer. Isese teaches iwa Pele (humble leaving) and leaving a justifiable life through the orisa's as a way of communicating with ELEDUMARA. But Christianity despite the moral teachings of God it further explained that 👇

You’re shallow in your thinking, listening to this video first 20 secs i already knew this is empty talks. What you practice here in this part of the world is the opposite of what religion is meant to be. You’re here talk about stealing and murder, your pastors do all that.

You're the foolish one here for not telling me what we tend to lose if there is no heaven Everything you mentioned that the pastors do you have also done it. You're not a saint

Let me educate your retarded mind. I hope you’re able to absorb this into your thick skull. The idea of Heaven and Hell is psychological, I see your comments littered everywhere asking what we stand to loose or gain. Why talk about something that is not realistic?

You know I'd have loved you took this time to tell me what we lose if heaven was psychological but you made a fool of yourself the second time

For the fact that you don’t know what the idea of some people telling you about heaven or hell does to your mind there’s no going back on your foolishness. So because I don’t stand to loose anything I should sit back and wallow in stupidity with people like you.

Thank youuu I tend to lose nothing meaning we will all be the same whether I was living in stupidity and you weren't Do you see it now. Whether I am stupid or not if we both die then I was being stupid for living a good life and if I eventually become right you lose everything

Calm down okay. The fact that you gaze going to heaven doesn’t automatically make you a good person. We have good people who are not caught up with idea of making heaven. Do you know people have lost their paths because they want to make Heaven. That is what you stand to loose.

See youre now getting what we Christians are talking about a little No one is good and the person who has the standards of good and bad came down died for us to have a relationship with him where he is He is not forcing you but you'll be somewhere else if you die outside him

People are against delusion because it leads to extremism… your lucky living now as a Christian in the past .. Christian’s murdered and killed people for the faith !! This is exactly what people are fighting against .. the ability of humans to be matured enough to understand that being Good is good not because of a promise but because of the fact that it serves the all to be good

😂 Once you are religious, I guess the brain stops working Modern slaves

You're the slave because you said a lot without telling me what we lose if there is no heaven Please tell me

@phish62592398 So na wetin you go loose be this core spiritual certainties, existential comforts, eternal life, cosmic justice, absolute fear of hell, incentive for self sacrifice, the frame work of evangelism, and behavioral frame works that define the traditional Christian life

@thoughts17181 Your own slow na pro max No worry

@youngarist0 😂😂😭😭

This not true at all. If there’s no heaven then Christian’s have lost a lot. Paul said it this way, if in this life we hope in Christ we are the most pitiable. And if the dead do not rise, let us eat and drink for tomorrow we die.

I don't see what we have lost in this comment if there is no heaven. So I lost killing a lot of people that offended me

There are morally good people who won’t make it. It’s not about killing. Carrying the cross is hard. It’s a narrow road for a reason. So many loses you will make for Jesus. If only in this life we have hope in Christ we are the most pitiable

@thoughts17181 Actually making heaven is not hard, you've totally misunderstood Christianity as suffering, which it's not. The narrow road means that there's only one way to God, which is Jesus Christ, that's why he said you either accept him or you deny him. It's a choice you got to make

@thoughts17181 The narrow road being Jesus doesn’t mean it’s going to be easy. Christianity is suffering. Not the suffering of this world but the sufferings of Christ to be like Christ.

Needing a higher power to define good and bad is itself a problem. It suggests people avoid wrongdoing out of fear of punishment, not from a genuine sense of right and wrong.

Where do you get your morals from

Your conscience should tell you what's right and wrong, not a book, or a belief in a higher power. Would you rob someone just because the police aren't watching?

Religion is full of confusion abeg .., I’d rather not indulge

That's not the point and that's why I keep saying I have never met an intelligent unbeliever Tell me what do we get to lose when a higher being tells you to be good and upright? It's a simple question

First deep down we alll know “naturally “ how to be good and upright. But then again you have nothing to lose. But you’ll definitely have regrets for the times and efforts you had put in that religion…

Bro there is nothing like deep down "naturally" because naturally, God made it so whether you believe in him or not. Stop acting wise Now for the sake of this argument let's say there is no God How do you know that something is good or bad I need a good answer

My guy say stop acting wise 😂😂🤣🤣. Its pure natural instinct or intuition whatever you want to call it, that’s how u know good from bad. A simple man living naturally wouldn’t want to do anything he doesn’t want to be done to him. Simple. Hope u understand.

You're laughing like you're making a point You explained how humans recognize good and bad, but not why something is actually good or bad. Where does that standard come from?

Your mind is not opened. I was laughing at what you said. You ask how do we know good from bad not why things are good or bad. The “Why” things are good or bad is what I can’t explain. But we can all recognize whether things are good or bad(Intuitively). Hope you understand?

And that’s exactly the Christian argument. We all recognize good and evil intuitively, but Christians are asking: if good and evil are real, where does that moral standard come from?

I detest how moronic some Christians sound when they try to defend their beliefs with stupid takes like this Christianity is not the sole custodian of morality. Other religions also tell you not to commit murder. Should I leave Christianity and follow them too? I am a Christian, but I can't stand this stupidity just because I am a Christian. If you must defend your faith, at least have sense or allow those that have sense to do so. Christianity started after Jesus Christ, bot before So what you are reading from the old testament mostly don't align with the teachings of Jesus Christ. The old testament supported owning slaves and extra judicial killings. Was Jesus Christ in support of that too? When some people tried to stone a prostitute to death based on the teachings of the old testament, did Jesus uphold that? Jesus Christ gave the ultimate Commandment when he said love your neighbor as your self. Your ancestors already had many of thses laws to govern their societies before Christianity was introduced to them Atheists don't go around telling people to murder other people. Right now, Israel together with USA are currently murdering thousands of kids in Gaza because they claim that God told them to do so. The USA murdered over a 100 Iranian school children in February while claiming to be the ones with the Christian values. Both countries weren't led by atheists You people should try and have small sense once in a while

Be you atheist oo, unbeliever oo, believer The mere acknowledge that there is a higher been brings forth morality

I need to be seeing more of her videos and listen because she get sense wella! She just won herself a great fan

Nice thought

As a non religious/ faith person, stealing, lying etc is not the next line of action for me however I don't believe in heaven or hell. If my deeds can't get me to heaven but accepting Jesus or Allah then fkc em both.

Well said..

And please the bible is not even a religion

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That's logic I learnt in life. If atvtge end, there is no heaven, I still did not loose

If you die you die, there's nothing else after that.

Is that what we lose if there is no heaven or hell Mennn unbelievers are unbelievable. It's a simple question

Your heaven or hell is right here while you are alive, when you die you die.

Meaning we did not lose anything right?

You lose nothing but you life.

You're contradicting yourself Did you not also die. Is it only Christians that are losing their lifes Infact losing life's in what sense 😂😂 being good is losing life 😭

WTF are you even saying?

I have time a little You said we lose nothing but our lives what does that even mean

I love this!!! ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

Even if I tell you wetin you go loose you go still argue so no worry your sef

Yes because you no get anything to say so just dey go like that

Simple

You lose time you would have been dedicating to making the lives of those you leave better. Yall acting like pastors not making you do the most outrageous things in the name of God. Like you not African the most retarded and oppressed group on the planet

Proudly atheist ⚛️

I love your reasoning mummy.

mention one thing your religion tells you not to do that wasn't done by same people that wrote the Bible. yes Authors like David , moses and even God himself. just mention one thing!!

Children are learning Obedience from a story of a man that tried sliting his son's throat If anyone today claimed a voice told them to harm their child,we won't call it faith We’d call it a mental health emergency. But when it’s wrapped in ancient superstitions, it becomes virtue

That fornication part is hard sha. But i thought it was adultery they said we shouldn’t do oooo Did they add fornication ?

Sex outside marriage is sexual immorality (fornication involved) From the beginning when God decided to expose us to good and bad he knew we would fall thats why Jesus was there al along So yes its hard but doesnt mean you should consciously do it because Jesus paid fr our sins

To fornicate with you don dey hungry me like this sef

That's on you not me.

Well said 👏 👌 👍

Now d fact that yu need a teaching frm a religion to hold yu frm those things yu mention says alot abt yu, morality is nt tied 2 religion I do nt need d teaching of a religion to do things dat re morally right & also I cant serve the god of christain, cause i'v read d bible ✌️

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... Then to add: If the reward of heaven or the fear of hell is what guides your morality then you're a terrible human. No wonder all our Presidents and governors who are relgious tend to be the worse people in government

Are you innocent?

Like do you really wanna be a tiff that bad Crack me up 😂😂

This is the laziest argument for God that exists I am christian btw but this is crap

Jesus! You're the dullest Christian ever. You don't even understand what she is saying 🤦🏻‍♂️

If u need the heavenly reward/ hell to be upright Then, u are not a good person in the first place. Moreover every society has moral standards b4 Bible / Christianity And if I'm to judge by the stories written about the Bible god, it's not a good moral example to follow