Tomlin won with Cowher's team⁣ -Mark Madden

Agree 1000%. Not even so much that he won with Cowher’s team. But he absolutely won with Cowher’s leaders and culture. And he ABSOLUTELY didn’t replace it.

@MarkMaddenX It was incredibly evident the further removed from Cowher’s players he got.

Truth - Future HOF QB, incredible defense and one of the best defensive coordinators of all-time, who he eventually ran off.

You hung up on me once for this point about Tomlin, but that wasn't even what I was trying to say! Haha

He won with Cowher's team, culture, & young Ben. LeBeau & Arians carried him as well.

@MarkMaddenX I said it minutes after SB XLIII, no one believed me. Troy indirectly said it when he was interviewed and let the media know Tomlin over worked the team in camp the first year just to prove it was his team.

@MarkMaddenX This is 💯 spot on

Fact

Tomlin wouldn't have had any success without Cowher and Ben. He is lucky to have followed one and rode the coat tails of the other

@MarkMaddenX 10000000%

I hate this argument. He won with a team that Cowher couldn’t even make the playoffs with two years prior. Doesn’t that make him better. Plenty of arguments to be made against Tomlin. This ain’t one of them.

The narrative that anyone does anything after there predecessors is a complete elementary mindset, cowher also didn’t have to coach against the primes of Brady, manning and the entry and best teams of mahomes’ chiefs, mark madden is a fucking idiot that’s the best take 🫵🤣

60% of coaches that won a super bowl did so in first 3 years with team. I think tomlin has been awful for a decade, but i don’t like this argument. Mike Sullivan should get no credit either if this is the argument

@MarkMaddenX He definitely won with tomlins team. Slot won with klopps team too. I give tomlin more credit for what he achieved than i do with arne though. Thank God that wanker is gone

Why is this suddenly a take? I’ve been saying this since the playoff loss to Jacksonville in 2018z. So have many others …

@MarkMaddenX I said this going back to 2001 but everyone thought it was because I am racist

In the year 2000, the Rams won SB with Dick Vermeil as Head Coach. His OC, Mike Martz, took over the same team and didn't win the SB. Even the same head coaches, with the same teams, find it hard to repeat. Tony Dungy won a SB with the Colts. He was later replaced by Jim Caldwell who didn't win a SB even with Payton Manning. Bruce Arians won a SB was Tampa Bay and retired. Todd Bowles (his DC) took over the same team and didn't win a SB even with Tom Brady. It seems that people always go out of their way to minimize and diminish Tomlin's accomplishments. If it was easy to win with Cowher's team, why didn't Cowher win multiple Super Bowls? If it is easy to win the SB with a SB-winning team, why haven't many teams repeated as SB Champions? By the way, the Steelers had a record of 8-8 the season before they hired Tomlin (2006). I know we can make excuses or give explanations, but that was the record. The next season, 2007, Tomlin went 10-6 and didn't win the SB. So, Tomlin won a SB in the 2008 season - three years removed from Cowher's SB-winning team. That's a long time in the NFL!