Tracie Harris🗣️❤️

@kaizen000000000 Jeez, This woman yapped this entire time, to just make a comparison about toasters breaking — Therefore a gremlin caused it, as a comparison to God creating the Universe. It’s a false equivalency.

@kaizen000000000 @Catholic_Ortho_ Orthobro is obvi talking BS with his criticism, but criticising somebody doesnt automatically make it sexist if its towards a woman. Funnily enough youre making the exact same mistake with the gremlin / machine and god / universe.

@kaizen000000000 To be fair I actually do want to abolish women’s suffrage, and am a monarchist.

That’s why we have brains. Avoid any institution that will tell you not to question your identity and reality.

@kaizen000000000 That's not how the first mover argument works. Classic move. Misrepresent your opponent's argument and then attack the falsehood you've created.

Classic strawman. If you want to debate, refute the argument actually made

Christians mad she talked too much but how else do you explain a point to those who blindly believe what they were taught, then try to convince everyone else?

@kaizen000000000 “My toaster broke because it’s old therefore there’s no God”😂 Do better

Do better than the stupid phrase you made up and no one else said? Weird.

@kaizen000000000 “If my toaster breaks, there’s a cause why would I say it’s God” She literally just said if her toaster breaks there’s cause and no “God” that took action to break it. Do better to understand what rephrasing mean😂 Lol gtfo

@kaizen000000000 wtf are you saying. The toaster broke because it was worn out or faulty. Not because “god doesn’t exist.” She never once said that and your only argument is putting words in people’s mouth 😭

@kaizen000000000 Bro doesn’t know what paraphrasing is… talking about putting words in people’s mouth F off dude

@kaizen000000000 That slight sigh tells it all. Explaining to sheep not to be sheep is hard.

Well said 💯

@kaizen000000000 Imagine arguing all this when it isn’t even the chief argument for God. It’s like arguing the United States doesn’t exist because the Declaration of Independence or Constitution are written documents that require referencing them for the powers enumerated therein. 👀witness ne1?

Shuu go away

@kaizen000000000 I’m sorry you only ascribe to find an echo chamber.

Address the actual claim

@kaizen000000000 Already did.

You did nothing

@kaizen000000000 As I said earlier, you only seek to hear what you wish to hear. It is quite limiting, don’t you think?

@kaizen000000000 If proof of a miracle is needed that we have an amazing intelligence Creator that can produce intelligence & design at the speed of a thought & Word. Only intelligence can produce intelligence, only Something can produce Something.

You’re assuming that intelligence can only come from intelligence, but that’s a circular argument. How do you know natural processes couldn’t produce complexity or design like patterns?

If you see a mansion do you need to meet the builder & architect to know they exist? Is it possible that mansion exists by chance? Is there anything in existence that’s an obvious design that doesn’t require a designer? If DNA is pure code and reads like code and we all know that all code requires a code writer, it’s never spontaneously happened by chance

Your mansion analogy ignores natural processes. DNA may look like code, but complexity doesn’t automatically prove a designer evolution and chemistry can produce patterns that appear designed. Claiming ‘all code requires a coder’ assumes the conclusion you’re trying to prove.

Everything you mentioned requires the laws of nature which exist in time, space & matter and requires the intelligence of the Creator to hold this universe together through energy which is very alive and exists outside of time, space & matter. The intelligent Creator I call God is the cause of the entire universe, you’re not reverse engineering to the very 1st mitochondria, DNA, proteins & enzymes etc. nothing simple about a cell. Nothing simple about the complexity in this universe that had to be produced in a huge Bang

You’re treating ‘we don’t fully understand it yet’ as proof of a Creator.😅 That’s an argument from ignorance, not evidence. Complexity alone doesn’t require intelligence.

Regardless of your current opinion regarding the one who created you, he became one of us to save you. I thought this was a proven fake just like I believed a lot of “proven” science experts. Decide for yourself what the actual evidence says, prove he didn’t exist & was crucified.

@kaizen000000000 Long winded way to describe a straw man argument

@kaizen000000000 Instead of starting with a working toaster that breaks, start with the individual parts laid out on a table. How did those parts become a toaster without a designer and assembler? That’s the actual analogy.

@kaizen000000000 took several minutes to explain what an analogy is

@kaizen000000000 Aristotle and Aquinas argue the opposite…. Check mate

She’s misunderstand the Kalam. The Kalam doesn’t begin with the idea that there is a god, nor does it necessarily result in the conclusion that there is a god. It is simply stating the following: - everything that begins to exist has a cause - the universe began to exist - the universe has a cause Of course the cause must be outside of space for there wasn’t any to exist, immaterial since there wasn’t any, and timeless since there wouldn’t be any time. Now you can propose an alternative to what this could be, it by no means directly points to Christianity, it simple proposes a cause for the universe.

If you have to say a mouthful just to prove a point, it often means you’re grasping at straws and your argument doesn’t really hold. In any case, trying to prove that God exists to someone who isn’t spiritually awakened is like trying to convince a blind person that color exists when they’re convinced it doesn’t. It’s pointless and a waste of time.

@kaizen000000000 This feels purposefully reductive and doesn’t offer an argument. “My toaters didn’t stop working because of mystic forces, it stopped working because its old. Therefore there is no god.” That is the sum of her argument. 🤨

@kaizen000000000 Wow she really finds herself intelligent…. Aquinas mops the floor with low brow oafs like this. We know what God is metaphysically. God is pure actuality, the necessary, subsistent existence itself. Mrs Harris here is a novice in metaphysics and it shows

@kaizen000000000 No.. it’s the universe exists.. it must have a cause or sense of being.. and we call that thing God. Atheists have such simplistic and immature reasoning.

@kaizen000000000 What's the alternative theory? That a big bang started a sequence that brought us here. What caused the big bang? If you cannot get life from non-life, from where did the first life form emanate? Spontaneously? These atheist would have you believe they are intellectually superior

@kaizen000000000 “Things that don’t exist can’t be the cause of other things”, or nothing can come from nothing. When you believe in nothing then nothing matters, even matter. The unified field and the super position in the quantum world is only real when it is realized. I think God is real!😇

@kaizen000000000 She went out of her way to create a circular-reasoning strawman to burn down. It’s painfully obvious and makes her look pretty dumb. This isn’t an argument against God, it’s a warning against thinking too highly of yourself.

@kaizen000000000 This is 105 IQ level rambling lol

@kaizen000000000 It’s funny how every Atheist thinks they are the most intelligent person in the world. They can’t fathom that an infinite being with superior intelligence has reasons and declarations that they don’t understand. Jesus is God! “For in claiming to be wise, they became fools.”

@kaizen000000000 Amazing how little that addressed the actual fist mover argument. The line of causality actually still goes all the way back to a first cause. Toaster-toaster maker- maker of the toaster maker. Super simplified because x only lets me write so much lol

@kaizen000000000 Intellectual closed system bottoms up circular argument, without any self awareness of the bias perspective. Asinine logic.

@kaizen000000000 Her first question is extremely easy to answer: because there’s no other possible explanation. The cause for the universe has to be something ultimately powerful, outside of time, and capable of decision. She didn’t think through this very well. 🤷‍♂️

@kaizen000000000 She makes a lot of sense if she is talking to the people who make that exact argument. Here is the catch, most Christians do not believe in god simply because there is a universe. She is dumbing things down to a bad argument and then talks for 3 minutes refuting it. Yeah its dumb

@kaizen000000000 Ignorant, shallow argument. The toaster stops working due to the laws of physics. But what set those laws in motion? What created existence itself the lead to the laws of physics that then leads to life and love and truth and toasters? Some believe a creator God did.

@kaizen000000000 That’s because gods are fictional. Gods in other cultures( using Yoruba for example) you don’t worship those gods because they’re gods your ment to embody them because they represent aspects of nature and spirituality!!🌟

@kaizen000000000 Ppl mad that she talked to much to prove a point but how else would they understand her point if they simply don’t agree bcs they were taught something without any proof of it and they believed it and now want to convince the whole world of it when it literally makes no sense

@kaizen000000000 💯

@kaizen000000000 The evidence of God is all around you and all of creation. And as a result, men are without excuse for the attributes of God are made plane for all to see.

@kaizen000000000 She wants to prove God in a laboratory and do scientific tests. Then she will approve and prove God & write a book of how God works. This would put her in the counsel that approves God. The audacity, the pride & stubbornness. She worship her own intellect and is a god to herself.

@kaizen000000000 Her analogy is retsrded because we can prove why the machine broke, we cannot prove why the universe exists. It’s a false equivalency.

@kaizen000000000 Illustration of this argument made with @imagine

@kaizen000000000 She sounds crazy. Everything that exist was created therefore the creation is evident of a creator. We don't exist just because we exist. There is a creator and it's evident