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Visual Basic IDE (1991) revolutionized programming. It democratized it, until JS-based web frameworks un-democratized it two decades later. - Visual designer (no code needed) - BASIC (no coder needed) - Fast (no expensive computer needed) - All-in-one (no toolchain or sophisticated build process needed)

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@benignvanilla10 months ago

I ran production solutions in VB up through about a year ago. VB is the most underrated development platform ever made.

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

It started the so-called RAD (Rapid Application Development) era

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@benignvanilla10 months ago

It did and I’d argue that in the business world, dominated by windows…there is nothing you can’t do. A full stack solution in VB is not only possible, what limit would you have that C# would fix?

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Bohemio of the Reeeeing Twenties10 months ago

Memories of turning my nose up at it because of C/C++ but I will admit the RAD era had its good side. You could whip up something so quickly. In fact, I think we have regressed a little in that area.

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

very much. we regressed to before that era. I don't know what did we do wrong. many things went wrong

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Mehmet Turgay AKALIN10 months ago

eeehm sorry to bother.. but the ide concept came from turbo pascal (and later delphi). microsoft didn’t invent it.. they... eeehm.. you know 🤣

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

Delphi release is 3 years later tho. It's not about IDE, it's about RAD

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Mehmet Turgay AKALIN10 months ago

True delphi shipped in 95. But... turbo pascal already had edit compile run in one screen.. while vb was still discovering checkboxes. 🤣 So yesss.. rad vs ide.. but the rad muscle memory was already there 😉

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

QBasic ('91), but yes Turbo Pascal is GOAT to me

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Mehmet Turgay AKALIN10 months ago

hmmm that was interpreter I think shipped with dos so I can add to my timeline ( thank you for that

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Lion Kimbro10 months ago

I refute it thusly:

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

yes

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Lion Kimbro10 months ago

I do think Visual Basic was amazing. But... HyperCard was really the one that democratized programming for people. I love Steve Jobs, but I'm angry with him for killing HyperCard. I knew many people who never programmed anything, but they programmed something in HyperCard.

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gfodor.id10 months ago

@krzyzanowskim You should check out Decker It isn’t trying to be HyperCard at all but it’s just cool

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Lion Kimbro10 months ago

@krzyzanowskim

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Sven Hohlfeld10 months ago

Though I both love your take on this topic and kind of miss the wysiwyg times also: Claiming it democatized is kind of twisted: it (the IDE) was expensive, it ran only on win, it was closed source (both IDE and language)… no community like we have today…to name a few…

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

indistinguishable from how AI democratizing programming

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

try Notepad.exe /self-promo

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Victor Celer10 months ago

Since version 5.0 Visual Basic supports building native executables, which can run perfectly fine in the latest Windows 11.

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

that is actually insane. win32 will never die

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Neocrius10 months ago

I remember writing GUI apps in Delphi 25 years ago and it was an absolute joy. The form editor / inspector would write and dynamically maintain (!) the classes and method stubs for you and all you had to do was implement them. After that I switched to C++ for many years and I never felt that ease of use again until recently to some extent with modern game engines.

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

because Pascal driven language is actually very approachable

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Frank Rundatz10 months ago

Loved Visual Basic back in the day! Can do similar things with Visual Studio and C# today!

Marcin Krzyzanowski's profile picture
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

hello! say what you want, but Microsoft certification and partnership programs are really great

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Pepecoin10 months ago

Beautiful

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Noam Lewis10 months ago

Modern UI uses 1000x the amount of RAM and encourages horrible software patterns that inevitably lead to bugs (closures, state watching, implicit dependency injection, etc. etc.)

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Gilbert Corrales10 months ago

The fallacy started with the move to Xaml as an HTML pair… down below I think softies PMs always dreamed of web technologies for desktop, hence why we ended up with WebView2 and ReactNative now polluting everything. For all the fails of Apple camp, what Apple did well was force everyone to natively frameworks, no space for developers going rogue with nonsense experiments.

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Valentino Giudice10 months ago

Nothing proprietary ever democratizes anything. Also BASIC code is code.

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c3141tw10 months ago

Real men use DOS.

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

this is either 1982, or 2025, hard to tell

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Haiku10 months ago

I made some of my first commercial products with Visual Basic... fond memories...

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jozanza 🎮💜10 months ago

"enshittified" is probably more accurate than "undemocratized"

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DerekHoiem.eth10 months ago

I did all the user research for VB 1.0

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IshayuG10 months ago

Yeah well NEXT did it 3 years earlier. Microsoft wasn't very innovative. Basically they got themselves onto every computer through some... maneuvers of questionable legality, let's say, and then they just copied everybody else. It's amazing they got away with it, but they did.

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

indistinguishable from today's hyped tech practices

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IshayuG10 months ago

Microsoft was particularly vicious. They literally sabotaged the everliving shit out of everyone trying to compete with them. At one point you literally could not get a computer without getting a license for Windows unless it was a mac. It was just not possible.

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

ditto

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IshayuG10 months ago

Fair point, but that's Microsoft :D I gotta be honest, I haven't even connected my TV to the internet, and I'm not going to. It's an LG, still running the old firmware, and I use a box to manage the connections I need. WebOS will never have internet access.

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🅾🅼🅰🅼🅾🆁🅸10 months ago

Today the code isn’t the hard part the ecosystem is. Frameworks, build tools, cloud, configs… everything around the code got heavier. 😖😖😖

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Hydroplane10 months ago

I’m so old, I remember QuickBasic

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José Batista10 months ago

I agree, and add: for an advanced user, VB6 is almost as powefull as C++. You could easily access windows API and even read protected memory, but it took huge programming skills. VB6 downside is not being able to directly call standard DLLs (just COM dlls and OCX).

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vnvdarkangel10 months ago

Fast is probably not the word i would have used to describe it, not then and not now. Once it went 32 bit it was ok, but before that it was terrible in terms of speed.

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

this is 8Mhz, compare to to today software and hardware

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vnvdarkangel10 months ago

Well today we have an os that has so much going on in the background there are fewer cycles left than in a toaster. I've seen some amazing things coded in VB6 but they were not fast at runtime.

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vnvdarkangel10 months ago

Bit that power has made optimization that is not done at compile time a lost art + that coding in low level language is not done/hardly possible on today's computers.

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Bencun10 months ago

Time to build VisualJs for desktop application development with Electron.

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

it's called webflow, or smth

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Bencun10 months ago

I was joking but yeah

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Prof Maximo, MSc10 months ago

We had few options in 1991... In 2025 there are 725597342.6 JS frameworks, and the npm folder is about 4.5.10²⁵ bytes.

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nyx10 months ago

we went from "drag a button, double click, type 3 lines" to "npm install 847 packages and pray nothing breaks"

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Myke Mnemonic10 months ago

FrontPage existed, too. It sucked.

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Chris10 months ago

Mac users had already been enjoying an environment like that for years by that point. HyperCard was released back in 1987! Also a crying shame that it doesn’t exist anymore.

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am i suzu or am i selene?10 months ago

doing away with WYSIWYG and overcomplicating it has been awful. but at the same time, a lot of the equivalent to "slop" back then was also produced. it turns out Karen from HR absolutely cannot write enterprise level process automation no matter how much she likes to make forms.

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Przemek Urbanski10 months ago

Version 2, 8 disks Ver 1, was on 2 disks

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Fergal Byrne #не стрелять #DontShoot10 months ago

It was the various flavours of BASIC a decade earlier which created my generation of programmers, who together built everything the world depends on today. Visual BASIC was a key part of that pre-web story, and lived on for decades via its use in software like Excel.

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RealBubbleBob10 months ago

You shouldn't have to pay to participate in democratic systems and they must in principle be transparent to be democratic. Open source software democratized computing.

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Pasquale Puzio10 months ago

Visual Basic was so underrated. It was way ahead of its time under many aspects.

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multi_io🇩🇪 🇺🇦10 months ago

NextSTEP Interface Builder came out in 1988 I think, and it was way more advanced, and the object model was built into the OS itself, with all the system apps using it. Also, running only on one BGA (Bill Gates approved) OS isn't very democratic 😎

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Marcin Krzyzanowski10 months ago

yes. and was copy of Xerox interface builder, of and idea of IBM. not much of a point. NEXT was all but accessible to the masses in comparison.

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Artillain ( Mr. Zerolith )10 months ago

HTMX helps re-democratize the web. It would be complete with a better backend language and Rapid Application Development environment.

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