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Visual Basic IDE (1991) revolutionized programming. It democratized it, until JS-based web frameworks un-democratized it two decades later. - Visual designer (no code needed) - BASIC (no coder needed) - Fast (no expensive computer needed) - All-in-one (no toolchain or sophisticated build process needed)

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@benignvanilla 的头像
@benignvanilla10 个月前

I ran production solutions in VB up through about a year ago. VB is the most underrated development platform ever made.

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

It started the so-called RAD (Rapid Application Development) era

@benignvanilla 的头像
@benignvanilla10 个月前

It did and I’d argue that in the business world, dominated by windows…there is nothing you can’t do. A full stack solution in VB is not only possible, what limit would you have that C# would fix?

Bohemio of the Reeeeing Twenties 的头像
Bohemio of the Reeeeing Twenties10 个月前

Memories of turning my nose up at it because of C/C++ but I will admit the RAD era had its good side. You could whip up something so quickly. In fact, I think we have regressed a little in that area.

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

very much. we regressed to before that era. I don't know what did we do wrong. many things went wrong

Mehmet Turgay AKALIN 的头像
Mehmet Turgay AKALIN10 个月前

eeehm sorry to bother.. but the ide concept came from turbo pascal (and later delphi). microsoft didn’t invent it.. they... eeehm.. you know 🤣

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

Delphi release is 3 years later tho. It's not about IDE, it's about RAD

Mehmet Turgay AKALIN 的头像
Mehmet Turgay AKALIN10 个月前

True delphi shipped in 95. But... turbo pascal already had edit compile run in one screen.. while vb was still discovering checkboxes. 🤣 So yesss.. rad vs ide.. but the rad muscle memory was already there 😉

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

QBasic ('91), but yes Turbo Pascal is GOAT to me

Mehmet Turgay AKALIN 的头像
Mehmet Turgay AKALIN10 个月前

hmmm that was interpreter I think shipped with dos so I can add to my timeline ( thank you for that

Lion Kimbro 的头像
Lion Kimbro10 个月前

I refute it thusly:

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

yes

Lion Kimbro 的头像
Lion Kimbro10 个月前

I do think Visual Basic was amazing. But... HyperCard was really the one that democratized programming for people. I love Steve Jobs, but I'm angry with him for killing HyperCard. I knew many people who never programmed anything, but they programmed something in HyperCard.

gfodor.id 的头像
gfodor.id10 个月前

@krzyzanowskim You should check out Decker It isn’t trying to be HyperCard at all but it’s just cool

Lion Kimbro 的头像
Lion Kimbro10 个月前

@krzyzanowskim

Sven Hohlfeld 的头像
Sven Hohlfeld10 个月前

Though I both love your take on this topic and kind of miss the wysiwyg times also: Claiming it democatized is kind of twisted: it (the IDE) was expensive, it ran only on win, it was closed source (both IDE and language)… no community like we have today…to name a few…

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

indistinguishable from how AI democratizing programming

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

try Notepad.exe /self-promo

Victor Celer 的头像
Victor Celer10 个月前

Since version 5.0 Visual Basic supports building native executables, which can run perfectly fine in the latest Windows 11.

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

that is actually insane. win32 will never die

Neocrius 的头像
Neocrius10 个月前

I remember writing GUI apps in Delphi 25 years ago and it was an absolute joy. The form editor / inspector would write and dynamically maintain (!) the classes and method stubs for you and all you had to do was implement them. After that I switched to C++ for many years and I never felt that ease of use again until recently to some extent with modern game engines.

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

because Pascal driven language is actually very approachable

Frank Rundatz 的头像
Frank Rundatz10 个月前

Loved Visual Basic back in the day! Can do similar things with Visual Studio and C# today!

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

hello! say what you want, but Microsoft certification and partnership programs are really great

Pepecoin 的头像
Pepecoin10 个月前

Beautiful

Noam Lewis 的头像
Noam Lewis10 个月前

Modern UI uses 1000x the amount of RAM and encourages horrible software patterns that inevitably lead to bugs (closures, state watching, implicit dependency injection, etc. etc.)

Gilbert Corrales 的头像
Gilbert Corrales10 个月前

The fallacy started with the move to Xaml as an HTML pair… down below I think softies PMs always dreamed of web technologies for desktop, hence why we ended up with WebView2 and ReactNative now polluting everything. For all the fails of Apple camp, what Apple did well was force everyone to natively frameworks, no space for developers going rogue with nonsense experiments.

Valentino Giudice 的头像
Valentino Giudice10 个月前

Nothing proprietary ever democratizes anything. Also BASIC code is code.

c3141tw 的头像
c3141tw10 个月前

Real men use DOS.

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

this is either 1982, or 2025, hard to tell

Haiku 的头像
Haiku10 个月前

I made some of my first commercial products with Visual Basic... fond memories...

jozanza 🎮💜 的头像
jozanza 🎮💜10 个月前

"enshittified" is probably more accurate than "undemocratized"

DerekHoiem.eth 的头像
DerekHoiem.eth10 个月前

I did all the user research for VB 1.0

IshayuG 的头像
IshayuG10 个月前

Yeah well NEXT did it 3 years earlier. Microsoft wasn't very innovative. Basically they got themselves onto every computer through some... maneuvers of questionable legality, let's say, and then they just copied everybody else. It's amazing they got away with it, but they did.

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

indistinguishable from today's hyped tech practices

IshayuG 的头像
IshayuG10 个月前

Microsoft was particularly vicious. They literally sabotaged the everliving shit out of everyone trying to compete with them. At one point you literally could not get a computer without getting a license for Windows unless it was a mac. It was just not possible.

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

ditto

IshayuG 的头像
IshayuG10 个月前

Fair point, but that's Microsoft :D I gotta be honest, I haven't even connected my TV to the internet, and I'm not going to. It's an LG, still running the old firmware, and I use a box to manage the connections I need. WebOS will never have internet access.

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🅾🅼🅰🅼🅾🆁🅸10 个月前

Today the code isn’t the hard part the ecosystem is. Frameworks, build tools, cloud, configs… everything around the code got heavier. 😖😖😖

Hydroplane 的头像
Hydroplane10 个月前

I’m so old, I remember QuickBasic

José Batista 的头像
José Batista10 个月前

I agree, and add: for an advanced user, VB6 is almost as powefull as C++. You could easily access windows API and even read protected memory, but it took huge programming skills. VB6 downside is not being able to directly call standard DLLs (just COM dlls and OCX).

vnvdarkangel 的头像
vnvdarkangel10 个月前

Fast is probably not the word i would have used to describe it, not then and not now. Once it went 32 bit it was ok, but before that it was terrible in terms of speed.

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

this is 8Mhz, compare to to today software and hardware

vnvdarkangel 的头像
vnvdarkangel10 个月前

Well today we have an os that has so much going on in the background there are fewer cycles left than in a toaster. I've seen some amazing things coded in VB6 but they were not fast at runtime.

vnvdarkangel 的头像
vnvdarkangel10 个月前

Bit that power has made optimization that is not done at compile time a lost art + that coding in low level language is not done/hardly possible on today's computers.

Bencun 的头像
Bencun10 个月前

Time to build VisualJs for desktop application development with Electron.

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

it's called webflow, or smth

Bencun 的头像
Bencun10 个月前

I was joking but yeah

Prof Maximo, MSc 的头像
Prof Maximo, MSc10 个月前

We had few options in 1991... In 2025 there are 725597342.6 JS frameworks, and the npm folder is about 4.5.10²⁵ bytes.

nyx 的头像
nyx10 个月前

we went from "drag a button, double click, type 3 lines" to "npm install 847 packages and pray nothing breaks"

Myke Mnemonic 的头像
Myke Mnemonic10 个月前

FrontPage existed, too. It sucked.

Chris 的头像
Chris10 个月前

Mac users had already been enjoying an environment like that for years by that point. HyperCard was released back in 1987! Also a crying shame that it doesn’t exist anymore.

am i suzu or am i selene? 的头像
am i suzu or am i selene?10 个月前

doing away with WYSIWYG and overcomplicating it has been awful. but at the same time, a lot of the equivalent to "slop" back then was also produced. it turns out Karen from HR absolutely cannot write enterprise level process automation no matter how much she likes to make forms.

Przemek Urbanski 的头像
Przemek Urbanski10 个月前

Version 2, 8 disks Ver 1, was on 2 disks

Fergal Byrne #не стрелять #DontShoot 的头像
Fergal Byrne #не стрелять #DontShoot10 个月前

It was the various flavours of BASIC a decade earlier which created my generation of programmers, who together built everything the world depends on today. Visual BASIC was a key part of that pre-web story, and lived on for decades via its use in software like Excel.

RealBubbleBob 的头像
RealBubbleBob10 个月前

You shouldn't have to pay to participate in democratic systems and they must in principle be transparent to be democratic. Open source software democratized computing.

Pasquale Puzio 的头像
Pasquale Puzio10 个月前

Visual Basic was so underrated. It was way ahead of its time under many aspects.

multi_io🇩🇪 🇺🇦 的头像
multi_io🇩🇪 🇺🇦10 个月前

NextSTEP Interface Builder came out in 1988 I think, and it was way more advanced, and the object model was built into the OS itself, with all the system apps using it. Also, running only on one BGA (Bill Gates approved) OS isn't very democratic 😎

Marcin Krzyzanowski 的头像
Marcin Krzyzanowski10 个月前

yes. and was copy of Xerox interface builder, of and idea of IBM. not much of a point. NEXT was all but accessible to the masses in comparison.

Artillain ( Mr. Zerolith ) 的头像
Artillain ( Mr. Zerolith )10 个月前

HTMX helps re-democratize the web. It would be complete with a better backend language and Rapid Application Development environment.

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