was ormund abusive yes he was but was he also deeply attached and loyal to this boy who had been handed to him as an infant when he himself was still young? yes he was and james is a gem of an actor because this is the proudest ormund... has ever looked, his eyes are GLEAMINGshow more

he GENUINELY thought he was doing the best for daeron. he thought he was helping daeron become the best version of himself he could be and i will go to my grave believing that ormund was proud of daeron too...

there’s layers to his beliefs but with daeron it’s even more complicated, there’s a certain intimacy in the way he said “and light the way”, it’s also the most vulnerable he’s ever been and entrusting your houses motto which you believe is superior to this kid…

Ormund loved Daeron, there is no denying that! But it was highly abusive & manipulative! It's the type of love that will smother you to death, rather than help you grow!! Yes Ormund loved Daeron, but had it continued, it would have consumed Daeron whole!

which is why their dynamic was a delight, ormund unhealthily attached himself to daeron not realizing how overbearing or abusive he was with his desire to shape daeron into the perfect hightower image. if only ormund had been more sane daeron would’ve given his life for him

He did care about him, but he was weird possessive and smothering and overbearing While Ser Gwayne loved him, but didn’t smother him and made him feel respected, didn’t try to control him and only intervened when he felt his safety was at risk

The way he had his first child at 11 is crazy, he should've been at club

a literal child fathering a child no wonder he turned out the way he did lmao grrm what was going on through your mind with ormund’s age explain yourself

It's the proud look of knowing what Daeron could be, seeing his potential if Daeron applied himself. Ormund knows Daeron can change the kingdom in ways he cannot, with a certain legitimacy and kingly authority. Sadly, naysayers and doomscrollers (Gwayne) led him astray.

daeron was raised to be kind but just, he did hold a lot of good virtues. about gwayne I think they wanted to show again that the greens can’t stand in unison bc ormund not telling his ultimate plan to his remaining family members made zero sense, they should’ve plotted together

They should have just trusted The Plan

He will forever be my goat. Martyred in the name of Seven defending the realm against savage northmen and Valyrian monsters.

They had beautiful memories raising their child together despite the fall of their marriage

The compelling part of this season was the dynamic between those 3. Gwayne’s love for Daeron vs Ormund’s love for Daeron- almost foils of one another, both genuine love, but we saw in the end that cycle of “toxic love” get broken bc Gwayne is SELFLESS in his love/ parental role

That’s what sociopaths do

He had a team full of nonbelievers when all they had to do was follow the plan. Bro was genuinely shocked they gave Corlys for free

you can say he’s more proud of himself than Daeron here, same way he cared more about his own position than Daeron’s as king

Ormond was a sore loser, couldn’t control his anger and was using Daeron for his OWN power push. Can’t tell me otherwise 🤷🏽‍♂️

Ormund being proud of daeron:

True

and he got his face melted

ASOIAF fans might be the most deluded fans ever. This man was completely abusive to the point he begged his cousin not to leave him alone with him. It makes sense that you guys romanticize this and a uncle-niece relationship as well

Sir Daeron the Daring? sounds slutty