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Henry ☦️9 days ago

- "We're so back guys" - uses a quote having nothing to do with the subject

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Elusivbird9 days ago

Chrysostom assumes the ordinary practice of memorial images of the dead and argues that the written words of the saints are a superior image of their souls rather than their bodies. Preferring the greater does not abolish the lesser. He is not issuing a prohibition. This is standard rhetorical elevation of Scripture, not iconoclasm. Chrysostom himself affirmed images of the saints

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Cory S. Cook 🫪9 days ago

I agree with this, but affirming images of the saints doesn't quite equal venerating them, and that's where I'm stopping until I can think about it further.

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Elusivbird9 days ago

If sticking on Chrysostom…. In The Life of Chrysostom (cited by John of Damascus) he records that Chrysostom kept an icon of St. Paul in his cell, gazed at it while studying the epistles, and addressed the saint through it “as if he were alive.” That is direct personal veneration of the image, not mere tolerance of pictures.

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Pope St. Leo the Great's student9 days ago

Yeah that quote doesn't refute icons, but idols. Icons don't manifest the presence.

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Dr. John Paul Danger9 days ago

Reading comprehension being weaponized by White here...insulting peoples intelligence, just as he insulted his own intelligence in this debate.

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Garrettx🇺🇸9 days ago

>Quotes St John Crystostom >Totally lives in protest of and rejects St John Crystostoms Christianity.

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Hellenic Koraki9 days ago

St John of Damascus: In the life of John Chrysostom it is written thus, verbatim: And the blessed John exceedingly loved the epistles of the most wise Paul. And after a little: And he also had the portrait of the same apostle Paul in an icon, where he rested for a short while because of the weakness of his body; for he was very wakeful beyond nature. And when he went through his epistles, he would gaze at it and as if he were alive, he thus attended to him, calling him blessed, and he held all his thought towards him, imagining and speaking with him through the vision. And after other things: And when Proclus stopped speaking, gazing at the icon of the apostle and seeing his likeness was similar to the one who had appeared to him, he made a prostration to John and said, pointing to the icon: Forgive me, father. The one I saw speaking to you is like this one; and as I suppose, he is the very one.⁠

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Joshua 🍁9 days ago

Chrysostom’s homily on Meletius obliterates this foolish interpretation of this passage

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Václav9 days ago

This is against idols, not icons.

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Ryan Stanley9 days ago

Yes the Protestants are indeed so back at taking the saints of Christ's holy church out of context

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naD 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿✝️9 days ago

This was one of his stronger arguments, but it has an obvious weakness: John Chrysostom is not denying the utility of images, in fact he begins by affirming them and then by comparison makes a point about the Bible.

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☦️Tacticool Orthobro☦️9 days ago

Oh yes Matt Dillamonkey presenting only Muslim and Atheist positions.

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Joel ☦️9 days ago

You think someone who venerates the bones of saints would be against icons? Prots are absolutely stupid.

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Kalel9 days ago

Gnostic

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ConvincedOptimist ☦️9 days ago

I'm not sure how you don't see this cuts the other way.

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Landon Thompson9 days ago

Did Christ not have a physical body??

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Upon this Rock 🇻🇦9 days ago

"I like what St. John Chrysostom said here, but I reject his beliefs." Chrysostom: Reject idols, not icons. 😆

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Billy Bob ☦️⚖️9 days ago

Another BS Protestant trying to save face. He does the same thing with St. Chrysostom (whose name he cannot pronounce). Chop it up, take a sliver out, and spew propaganda. Prots are experts at this.

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The Orthonaut9 days ago

Out of context quote mine

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Johnathan Parks9 days ago

No one should be taking theological instruction from a guy who says God makes men rape children.

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Failure Personified9 days ago

JW misquotes Chrysostom "omg guys we are so back"

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Spooky Core Cade 🍁🎃🍁9 days ago

Banger quote

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Boxiestllama9 days ago

Why does he dress like a supervillain?

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dodd908409 days ago

I’m actually just starting to feel bad for Protestants

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☧☦️logic_bot☦️ ☧9 days ago

You mean in the back, with all the other false theologies.

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Iron Sheep9 days ago

It's a bald conceited old man who grifts around in a camper van

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Regetius9 days ago

Funny how it's boomers like White who are needed to prop up Protestantism. Once all the boomers are gone, Protestantism is cooked.

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Tim Kegley9 days ago

Good grief…what a dumb stumbling block.

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Aaron Haskins9 days ago

and yet Calvinism is still not the Gospel, nor is it Christian.

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Danny “mynickname” Diaz9 days ago

He got cooked to a crisp dude. I get trying to have your boys back, but this is just cope. Dr White is a GREAT debater but he lost this one. Trying to make it seem like the opposite is just desperate looking. Theres nothing wrong with losing, Orthos lose sometimes too. Own it

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Tony Nektarios9 days ago

Ignorance at its finest, the Hebrews and Solomon in the Old Testament built a temple for God full of images with angels everywhere scripture literally says “God approved of it” 2Kings Ch.6 dont forget The Ark of the covenant had 2 cherubim statues made of gold on it, lol nice try

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Incense Sniffer9 days ago

Dr. White would be scandalized by Saint John Chrysostom’s Liturgy. This is Protestant Quote-mining 101. Bastardize from the Church Fathers to shape and fit to our relativist World Protestant Paradigm.

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hike4views9 days ago

Why the cross around his neck?

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Nicholas of Virginia9 days ago

It's wild that he think this quote demonstrates that the view of Chysostom was iconoclastic. And Chysostom believed in real presence, infant baptism, and the apostolic episcopate. So why doesn't White go along with Chysostom on the other topics if he thinks he supports him here?

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benny seagrums9 days ago

since he is citing St Chrysostom as authoritative, maybe he should look up what he said about the veneration of relics

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Deuce Bigalow9 days ago

Please read. It will be good for your soul.