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Henry ☦️11 天前

- "We're so back guys" - uses a quote having nothing to do with the subject

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Elusivbird11 天前

Chrysostom assumes the ordinary practice of memorial images of the dead and argues that the written words of the saints are a superior image of their souls rather than their bodies. Preferring the greater does not abolish the lesser. He is not issuing a prohibition. This is standard rhetorical elevation of Scripture, not iconoclasm. Chrysostom himself affirmed images of the saints

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Cory S. Cook 🫪11 天前

I agree with this, but affirming images of the saints doesn't quite equal venerating them, and that's where I'm stopping until I can think about it further.

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Elusivbird11 天前

If sticking on Chrysostom…. In The Life of Chrysostom (cited by John of Damascus) he records that Chrysostom kept an icon of St. Paul in his cell, gazed at it while studying the epistles, and addressed the saint through it “as if he were alive.” That is direct personal veneration of the image, not mere tolerance of pictures.

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Pope St. Leo the Great's student11 天前

Yeah that quote doesn't refute icons, but idols. Icons don't manifest the presence.

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Dr. John Paul Danger11 天前

Reading comprehension being weaponized by White here...insulting peoples intelligence, just as he insulted his own intelligence in this debate.

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Garrettx🇺🇸11 天前

>Quotes St John Crystostom >Totally lives in protest of and rejects St John Crystostoms Christianity.

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Hellenic Koraki11 天前

St John of Damascus: In the life of John Chrysostom it is written thus, verbatim: And the blessed John exceedingly loved the epistles of the most wise Paul. And after a little: And he also had the portrait of the same apostle Paul in an icon, where he rested for a short while because of the weakness of his body; for he was very wakeful beyond nature. And when he went through his epistles, he would gaze at it and as if he were alive, he thus attended to him, calling him blessed, and he held all his thought towards him, imagining and speaking with him through the vision. And after other things: And when Proclus stopped speaking, gazing at the icon of the apostle and seeing his likeness was similar to the one who had appeared to him, he made a prostration to John and said, pointing to the icon: Forgive me, father. The one I saw speaking to you is like this one; and as I suppose, he is the very one.⁠

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Joshua 🍁11 天前

Chrysostom’s homily on Meletius obliterates this foolish interpretation of this passage

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Václav11 天前

This is against idols, not icons.

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Ryan Stanley11 天前

Yes the Protestants are indeed so back at taking the saints of Christ's holy church out of context

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naD 🇬🇧🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿✝️11 天前

This was one of his stronger arguments, but it has an obvious weakness: John Chrysostom is not denying the utility of images, in fact he begins by affirming them and then by comparison makes a point about the Bible.

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☦️Tacticool Orthobro☦️11 天前

Oh yes Matt Dillamonkey presenting only Muslim and Atheist positions.

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Joel ☦️11 天前

You think someone who venerates the bones of saints would be against icons? Prots are absolutely stupid.

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Kalel11 天前

Gnostic

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ConvincedOptimist ☦️11 天前

I'm not sure how you don't see this cuts the other way.

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Landon Thompson11 天前

Did Christ not have a physical body??

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Upon this Rock 🇻🇦11 天前

"I like what St. John Chrysostom said here, but I reject his beliefs." Chrysostom: Reject idols, not icons. 😆

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Billy Bob ☦️⚖️11 天前

Another BS Protestant trying to save face. He does the same thing with St. Chrysostom (whose name he cannot pronounce). Chop it up, take a sliver out, and spew propaganda. Prots are experts at this.

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The Orthonaut11 天前

Out of context quote mine

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Johnathan Parks11 天前

No one should be taking theological instruction from a guy who says God makes men rape children.

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Failure Personified11 天前

JW misquotes Chrysostom "omg guys we are so back"

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Spooky Core Cade 🍁🎃🍁11 天前

Banger quote

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Boxiestllama11 天前

Why does he dress like a supervillain?

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dodd9084011 天前

I’m actually just starting to feel bad for Protestants

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☧☦️logic_bot☦️ ☧11 天前

You mean in the back, with all the other false theologies.

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Iron Sheep11 天前

It's a bald conceited old man who grifts around in a camper van

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Regetius11 天前

Funny how it's boomers like White who are needed to prop up Protestantism. Once all the boomers are gone, Protestantism is cooked.

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Tim Kegley11 天前

Good grief…what a dumb stumbling block.

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Aaron Haskins11 天前

and yet Calvinism is still not the Gospel, nor is it Christian.

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Danny “mynickname” Diaz11 天前

He got cooked to a crisp dude. I get trying to have your boys back, but this is just cope. Dr White is a GREAT debater but he lost this one. Trying to make it seem like the opposite is just desperate looking. Theres nothing wrong with losing, Orthos lose sometimes too. Own it

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Tony Nektarios11 天前

Ignorance at its finest, the Hebrews and Solomon in the Old Testament built a temple for God full of images with angels everywhere scripture literally says “God approved of it” 2Kings Ch.6 dont forget The Ark of the covenant had 2 cherubim statues made of gold on it, lol nice try

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Incense Sniffer11 天前

Dr. White would be scandalized by Saint John Chrysostom’s Liturgy. This is Protestant Quote-mining 101. Bastardize from the Church Fathers to shape and fit to our relativist World Protestant Paradigm.

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hike4views11 天前

Why the cross around his neck?

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Nicholas of Virginia11 天前

It's wild that he think this quote demonstrates that the view of Chysostom was iconoclastic. And Chysostom believed in real presence, infant baptism, and the apostolic episcopate. So why doesn't White go along with Chysostom on the other topics if he thinks he supports him here?

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benny seagrums11 天前

since he is citing St Chrysostom as authoritative, maybe he should look up what he said about the veneration of relics

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Deuce Bigalow11 天前

Please read. It will be good for your soul.