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"We should build structures underneath Mars or the Moon because..." Earth is basically a beacon for alien civilizations — oxygen in our atmosphere gives us away instantly. And the crazy part? The Moon or Mars would preserve human-built structures for millions of years… but politics, not science, is why... show more

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