Welcome to extraction shooters, same conversation shut down by one General Sam clip

People surprised when games all about being a pack rat is populated by people who play like rats.

It's just rat behavior though, why are we coping with videos trying to explain the innerworkings of online play? You get jackshit as reward for doing this. It's the equivalent of screaming Taylor Swift songs on your mic or blocking doors in Counter-Strike. You're just being insufferable. Difference is the latter are fixable or not that impactful while the former, if happening at the end of a raid, is enough to make people quit. There's a rumor of the devs adding a PvE only mode, I hope they do. Then people can just choose which way to play and clip farmers can go back to irrelevance. "Ahhh it'll ruin it for those in PvPvE because then they can't surprise anyone by killing them because they'll assume PvPvE players are there for PvP" - Tough shit, idk lol. If that's a dealbreaker just go play another game. You're taking 90% of a match that encourages you to raid with other players-- Or in the case of PvPvE (separate) encourages you to team up or go solo against other raiders, and you're solely focusing on ONE element: - Blasting your teammate after a raid because you want to piss someone off. You're all better off if they make a separate PvE mode, and then buff the rewards for killing other Raiders in PvPvE mode. High stakes, high rewards kind of thing for the more hardcore crowd. "Ahhh but I'm a clip farmer who just enjoys making people rage out on their microphones" 🤷‍♂️ idk dawg, find another avenue for content creation. Oh, hey, join the AIM COMMUNITY, farm clips of incredible feats of aimflicking and aimbotting. 😂

No this is just grieffing because they cant even claim the loot themselves doing this its purely being spiteful

Camp the extract and kill people to loot their bodies: perfectly fine behavior and to be expected Kill (not down) a guy when the extract is activated and everyone in it will be gone in 3 seconds, meaning you have literally zero chance to loot the guy: low-trust-society behavior

The only thing they get by doing this is a little bit of xp for raider damage not even loot. It's not the same comparison you are making. Don't want it changed either. Personally I try to be kind to fellow raiders to keep the cosmic balance.

Sorry, but that is just arsehole behaviour.

Isn't the intention to loot them in Tarkov still? It's impossible to loot before the doors close. If your only intention is to set someone else back you definitely fall under the category of "piece of shit".

Boo hoo bitches in the comments. Your own beliefs on how the game should be played is not gonna be followed by anyone bc who TF are you? The gameplay, lore, and genre of this game is a no trust/ weak honor system. "Boo hoo be nice to me in an extraction shooter" is lame af

The problem isnt exit campers, its maps being shittily designed with there being too few exits, making it extremely easy to camp, or the exits being retarded chokepoints that force you into unfavorable fights. Tarkovs reserve and interchange are perfect examples of this

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And that's why people, eventually, quit those games. It's the reason the hardcore PVP MMO never ever actually works despite claims it's what people want. It's why excluding Tarkov none of them ever last even if they have a big player base at launch or in beta.

In Tarkov if you shoot someone in extract, you can still loot their stuff. The video in question is a 0 reward situation. It removed them from the lobby back to the stash. There’s no reward other than harming the other person.

Will I be mad if I die at extract? Yes Do me and my friends rush people that extract or camp them? Also yes While I'm friendly in solo raids because I want to relax I will also do heinous things. Everything is fair.

I mean that's totally cool, but also on the same end don't be surprised when you are collectively called a piece of shit by the community. Playing games to piss people off is definitely some level of loser behavior though

You can just say “I’m a piece of shit griefer defender. What about it?” Cuts to the point without all the bullshit.

Buddy uses a Tarkov clip to talk about Arc Raiders. It's fair game to PvP in extract, but if you betray someone inside it while the door is closing and knock them out, you're just an asshole. You didn't do it for loot or that shit ass 10 XP from, it you just kill for fun.

you get xp for downing players in arc raiders. Yet some entitled ppl get pissy about it, like we're breaking some unspoken rule, when it's a mechanic. Reminds me of DS1 and the Indictment. "OMG you indicted me for killing you?!" "yeah bro, how else will the blues get ears?"

I think I legitimately only got “truly exit camped” like once or twice, maybe three times in my 400+ hours of Tarkov, and most of that was at the height of the “Year of the Rat”. And Hunt Showdown taught me the true beauty of snatching a victory from someone, just taking the food right of there mouth.

Also, having fun from pissing off other people is kinda fucked up.

Eve Online would absolutely wreck these guys

I don't really think all extraction shooters need to have the same vibe and playstyles. The same way League and Dota don't have a lot in common asides the core aspects like the towers and an Ancient/Nexus.

I'm a simple man. I learned that the game had pvp and decided it wasn't for me cause I just wanna fight the robots.

Hot take, that's what killed tarkov. Not having a reason to NOT kill enemies just made it a sweat fest. Having tense ceasefires are the core of what makes these games fun. The moment people start killing on sight every time, it ruins the community FAST. PVP only kills exfil games

People will do this, defend those that do this and a few years from now will ask "Why isn't this game more popular?" followed by "Why is everyone always so angry and sweaty playing this game?" You get the playerbase you tolerate and foster, my only regret is these containment experiences never last long enough.

shame how tarkov turned out so shit that even sam doesnt touch it anymore EVEN with bsg offering him money to play it

Based rat papa

so your argument is that other people shouldn't have fun and should waste time by being killed by you at the last second and deserve it because they wanted to play the game.

Eh, not really. There's no reason to do that other than be a dick. You aren't doing it for the loot, it's inaccessible when you do that. You aren't removing a threat or overcoming an obstacle, they're leaving. Should it be removed? No. But stop pretending like it's anything else

how is pissing off someone else without getting any benefit from it a win? It's stupidity

That very last part, "have fun, and piss somebody else off" is the crux of the issue. It's only a "win win" if you explicitly enjoy making someone's day worse. Aka, enjoy being an asshole.

In tarkov and the like, yeah sure. Arc is fundamentally a different game, and that behavior there, just makes you an asshole. Rats are always annoying, but at least it's acceptable and expected in tarkov. Not in Arc.

Almost 90% of people in the game are socially friendly. I have been shot at nearly once a match but thats on guy out of the 7 I meet on average being friendly. Hell I extracted with like 7 people once. The social enviroment of the game is more TF2 to Tarkov where people are NICE

except in that clip they wont even get to loot him, so its just kill to be a dick honestly

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