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"We're not interested in building tech for tech's sake. We're interested in solving what on-chain users actually want to trade." Lucas Schuermann explains the dual-product vision at Variational: "On the retail side: hundreds of perps and CFDs across not just crypto, but global equities, commodities, stocks in Korea and... show more

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