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Why Meta's new model is a zero “It is a zero because there is no API. We cannot even use it. It is only for internal use by Meta. This is the most performative eval I have seen to date. I am not saying it is not nominally true,...

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Alexandr Wang9 days ago

da fuck you talking about? we got so many models on our API. you want spark, we got spark. you want wonder, we got wonder. you want image, we got image.

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Anant Narayanan9 days ago

Not sure what you're referring to, all models (including today's open weights launch) are available via several router products. Muse Wonder is also on and Muse Wonder Full is accessible via the Muse Code subscription.

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Andrew 💥♻️9 days ago

Smoking crack. They even released an open weight version.

Jason ✨👾SaaStr.Ai✨ Lemkin's profile picture
Jason ✨👾SaaStr.Ai✨ Lemkin9 days ago

Seems since released! :)

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Gabriel9 days ago

Why is this guy so angry? All the time he’s like against stuff, even though the last thing he built was 20 years ago

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Conor Bronsdon9 days ago

Harry wtf are you talking about? Not only are they open sourcing weights, its literally on their API..

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Fireply.ai9 days ago

a model you can't call is a slide, not a product

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Shardul9 days ago

VCs doing due diligence. lmao

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Alex D. 📎9 days ago

Maybe delete this?

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chloe9 days ago

no api... so it’s basically a very expensive locked sample

𝔰𝔠𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔦𝔬𝔫🦂's profile picture
𝔰𝔠𝔬𝔯𝔭𝔦𝔬𝔫🦂9 days ago

Fair point — no API kills the value. Curious what @mozlyxy thinks on META, he's sharp on this stuff.

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colourorange 🥪9 days ago

loud and wrong 😭

antoine's profile picture
antoine9 days ago

??

Ash Jhaveri's profile picture
Ash Jhaveri9 days ago

Wut?

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ShadowAguy9 days ago

i'll take spark

Nepo Capital's profile picture
Nepo Capital9 days ago

What a dumbass take

ShadowAguy's profile picture
ShadowAguy9 days ago

no call, no model

Alice BR's profile picture
Alice BR9 days ago

Time for a change of guard, some might say…

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perper9 days ago

no api no score, fair rule

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