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Why Nietzsche believed that without Plato and Aristotle you do not get Christianity Athenian Stranger

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.Athenian Stranger is a philosopher, writer, and Twitter poster. He joins me to discuss the life and thought of Fredrich Nietzsche. (4:13) Who was Nietzsche? (11:59) The Birth of Tragedy (19:10) Apollo and Dionysus (26:01) On the Genealogy of Morality (33:51) Can slave morality be found in our times? In the second half of the show (available to subscribers, link in reply), I read an excerpt from Beyond Good and Evil, which leads to a discussion on Nietzsche's views on hierarchy. What does Nietzsche mean by the pathos of distance? Athenian then explains the role breeding plays in Nietzsche's thought. Switching gears, we discuss one of Nietzsche's most infamous concepts: the death of God. Did this German philosopher literally believe that God died? Or did he mean something else? I then ask Athenian about Nietzsche's views on Jesus Christ – and Christianity more broadly. We talk about Nietzsche's belief that Christianity made Western man weak. Is that really accurate? Toward the end of the show, we consider Nietzsche's views on sexuality and politics. Would he be considered right-wing by today's standards? Are the left-Nietzscheans deluding themselves? Tune in to find out.
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.Athenian Stranger is a philosopher, writer, and Twitter poster. He joins me to discuss the life and thought of Fredrich Nietzsche. (4:13) Who was Nietzsche? (11:59) The Birth of Tragedy (19:10) Apollo and Dionysus (26:01) On the Genealogy of Morality (33:51) Can slave morality be found in our times? In the second half of the show (available to subscribers, link in reply), I read an excerpt from Beyond Good and Evil, which leads to a discussion on Nietzsche's views on hierarchy. What does Nietzsche mean by the pathos of distance? Athenian then explains the role breeding plays in Nietzsche's thought. Switching gears, we discuss one of Nietzsche's most infamous concepts: the death of God. Did this German philosopher literally believe that God died? Or did he mean something else? I then ask Athenian about Nietzsche's views on Jesus Christ – and Christianity more broadly. We talk about Nietzsche's belief that Christianity made Western man weak. Is that really accurate? Toward the end of the show, we consider Nietzsche's views on sexuality and politics. Would he be considered right-wing by today's standards? Are the left-Nietzscheans deluding themselves? Tune in to find out.

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Babette Babich on why reading philosophy in translation is a fundamental problem: "If you don't read Aristotle in Greek, you cannot understand his argument. If you don't read Plato in Greek, you cannot understand his argument." Her reasoning is precise: translation is not a neutral act. "If you translate it into English, someone somewhere along the line will vary the word and then the argument falls apart." She uses Nietzsche as her sharpest example. The Cambridge edition aside, most English translations of Nietzsche don't give you Nietzsche. They give you the translator's interpretation of Nietzsche. She names Walter Kaufmann specifically: "He earns his name, he's a salesman. He sold Nietzsche to everyone as someone who was not really Nazi. He's very good. But that's the problem." The same logic applies to analytic philosophy's engagement with continental thinkers: "Analytic philosophers can teach you how to read Nietzsche. But I would say they really can't. You cannot read Nietzsche in translation. You can, but you'll be reading a lovely man, R.J. Hollingdale. You will not be reading Nietzsche." Her deeper point is about what makes a genuine continental philosopher and why that tradition is quietly disappearing: "The distinction is over because everyone has died. Who are actual continental philosophers? You're looking at one. But there are not a lot of them. And I'm not long for this world." What made Gadamer great wasn't that he wrote "Truth and Method". It's that he was a philologist first. He read Greek. What made Nietzsche penetrating was that he was a scholar of Greek. That's precisely why Bernard Williams took him so seriously. The language wasn't incidental. It was the method. When the last generation who had those teachers is gone, something irreplaceable goes with them.

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