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Yeah, I’ve never seen this before. What’s the point of it? Are instructors messing with their students? IFR training: Taking off with the windshield completely covered?
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You clearly are not a pilot. Most pilots don't use that tent thing, we used this for decades. The Visor.

This is a standard training method, not instructor cruelty. IFR students fly with view-limiting devices like foggles or static-cling visors so their eyes stay on the gauges instead of the horizon, simulating cloud where you physically cannot see outside. Covering the windshield is just a bigger version of the same idea.

This method is stupid - how can the safety pilot see traffic with that tent next to him?

This is to train for IFR, but indeed this should not be on the take off roll because you need some visibility to perform that, since it’s a visual manoeuvre. Pretty dangerous.

This is nonsense. Maybe even illegal. This doesn't even simulate a real condition. The hood is the only mechanism for in-flight simulation of instrument conditions and the instructions are something like "without interfering with instrument panel or flight controls."

That’s A) pointless and B) bloody stupid.

This is putting too much faith in SV instruments. I could see using this method witg a student that can’t or doesn’t want to wear foggles, or a hood. But if I saw this at my school, I’d be grounding a CFI.

I had to do it during my IFR training. Had to practice a 0/0 takeoff. Instructor and I both agreed there was no way in hell you'd do it for real single pilot, single engine IFR.

Pilots must use IFR for LVTO

Instrument training to take off in 0/0 conditions. While I haven't done this specific method, I have done 5 or 6 take offs under the hood. It's actually very helpful to know how accurate your instruments are.

dont know what's required to get the certification, but this is going to be by far the safest way to train for getting an instrument rating.

Pretty standard in the US for instrument rating

What is this ? A CAT|||| take off ? 🤣

How do you think they're able to fly at night? They use instruments

Seems like typical instrument training. I had to wear a visor which restricted FOV.

Wow. Not only he did it, he thought it was such a good idea he recorded it. Fucking stupid.

In helo school we used Foggles during IFR training. Looks like too many things can go wrong with that setup.

bro we have foggles for a reason, you ain't reinventing the wheel

So how is the safety pilot supposed to see over to the left and avoid midair collisions? In USA safety pilot is required to have adequate forward vision!

An real 'blind' take off is a requirement at ab initio instrument level and is usually done in a simulator. If a good sim is not available it can be done in light aircraft as here. Use of a correctly designed screen is often the best method, since a hood allows subconscious 'cheating'. As anyone who has had to do this for real knows that if the 'dreaded dizzies' strike when flying, even the briefest 'peek' at the real horizon can often reset your mental gyros and stop the disconnect between your eyes and ears. It is hard to overstate how serious a hazard this is and it has to be taught properly and well from the very beginning. It is teaching the student that holding a heading and selecting the correct pitch and roll attitude for rotation will get you safely airborne even without visual clues. Regardless of what you internal balance sensations are. That technique is essential for low visibility take offs, since although you can see something, particularly the low viz edge and centerline lights to keep you straight, the pitch and roll attitudes must come from instruments. There is a real problem of potential mismatch between the information from your eyes and your balance organs during the high acceleration during take off. The technical term is 'spatial disorientation' amongst others. This is a pretty complex issue that we all experience even on the ground from time to time as dizziness, except the flight hazard involves pitch as well and is incredibly dangerous and insidious. Read up on it here. It is a very interesting topic and the Wiki does it well as a 101.

Cheating with a G600. We used to use foggles with a DG

You have never seen this before because it is not in any IFR training scenario. It is just some dumb CFI’s sick idea of what a pilot needs to fly instruments. It is not. Students need to learn the basics. Experience will provide what they need to know.

My instructor had me do it more than once during IFR training. Foggles were used.

АI… or stubidity?

Try it with a steam panel! Utterly pointless and may well induce a dangerous idea about personal capability.

not messing with them, it's how you train for actual IMC. in cloud there's nothing to see out the window anyway, so blocking it forces you to trust the panel instead of peeking. beats the alternative - first time in real cloud without that habit is a rude surprise

According to the FAA's Airman Certification Standards (ACS), there is no specific "Instrument Takeoff" task required to pass your checkride. You will perform normal visual takeoffs. Once you are safely airborne and clear of the runway, you will put on your view-limiting device (foggles or a hood) to begin simulating flight inside the clouds. While some flight instructors choose to teach instrument takeoffs in a simulator or under a hood as an advanced proficiency exercise, it is not a regulatory requirement to get the rating.

Haaa thats easy, blind fold em next time

