Joe Murgia
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WTF? 🤬 👎🏼 Jay Stratton Was Asked to Testify Under Oath to Congress, and...DECLINED 👎🏼 (IF he still feels that way, I think it's a bad look for Jay. He'll do interviews promoting his book but won't go under oath in front of Congress and share what he knows with the world? It's a great way to educate the public and it needs to be done because being under oath adds more credibility to his claims. I know they want to interview Jay but I think we'd all like to hear what Jeremy and George think about this.) ~ Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell: "I know for a fact, Jay Stratton was asked if he would participate in another hearing, and they even proposed the date. And he declined. And I think because...for whatever reasons he declined, I know that he would be a star witness for this. "And I want to encourage not just him, like everybody, like he would be amazing. Especially if like in our last episode, we paired him with the hostile under-oath witnesses. Last week, we talked about that being Dr. Sean Kirkpatrick, Glenn Gaffney, and Susan Gough. That's what I would want to see. "I'd want to see the three of them up with Jay Stratton, and I think that Jay Stratton would be this kind of like, totem pole of truth. Because that dude is honest and he is righteous, and I think things have changed in his life where he's like, 'Let's go, let's do it.' (When was he asked? And if he's asked again, do Jeremy or George think his answer would be different?) Corbell: "And to compare what they're saying in front of him would just be such a powerful hearing. And I know pit bulls like Rep. Luna, Rep. Burlison, Rep. Burchett. I know those three wouldn't take the easy road. They would love to get them up there under oath. So, George, I know it's a pipe-dream, but, you know, put that in your pipe then and smoke it." Knapp: "Yeah, I'd love to see that, too."
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This one is pretty cool! (UNDISCLOSED LOCATION) 01.01.2024 Courtesy Video All Domain Anomaly Resolution Office The United States Indo-Pacific Command submitted a report of an unidentified anomalous phenomenon to the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) consisting of one minute and 39 seconds of video footage from an infrared sensor aboard a U.S. military platform in 2024. The reporter did not provide any oral or written description of the observation.
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This was REALLY a great listen, and troubling... "Sam Altman didn't know you could make his product (ChatGPT) find classified information. I told him I did." ~Annie Jacobsen Note to Self: Ask ChatGPT the location of non-human craft & bodies, & the codes to unlock the doors. 😎
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!["There are people within Congress [who have been] deeply, deeply involved [in UAP for a long time] that just are not public yet. If there becomes a void, those people push in." ~JC 💀🛸 Is Disclosure DOA in Congress? 🛸 😵 "I don't think it matters if the control of one House or the other changes party hands." ~GK (We now know both the House and Senate have changed hands with the Dems leading the way, so let's see what happens. And if members of Congress [whose names we don't know] who have a deep interest in this go public for the first time, that would be fantastic.) ~ George Knapp: "I know a lot of people are worried what happens in the election because representatives Luna, Burchett, Burlison have sort of led the way. They've been the most vocal House members who've been pushing for answers on this stuff. But recall, this is a bipartisan issue. Each of the hearings that we sat in on, the Democratic lawmakers - maybe not as often and as vociferous - they were right there asking the same kinds of questions as well. I don't think it's going to matter one bit if the Democrats take control of the House versus the Republicans. I think they're just as interested as well. "On the Senate side, Schumer, his legislation is named for him. You know, the UAP Disclosure Act and the provisions that have been included in a couple of different versions. If he ends up being Majority Leader of the Senate again, if the Senate changes hands, I think it's still an issue that he's interested in, and it's true of Republicans in the Senate as well. Mike Rounds, for example, that you've talked to. "It's like the only bipartisan issue in Washington. You know, you got members on both sides of the aisle to whom this is deeply important, and I don't think it matters if the control of one House or the other changes party hands. There are champions for this issue on both sides, in both Houses. So, I hope that all of our pro-UFO disclosure members are still around after January, but we'll see. We'll see soon enough." (They'll all still be there because they all won their races, and one alleged anti-UFO voice (Mike Turner) is gone.) ~ Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell: "Well, look, I will tell you that there are people - and you know this - that are not public within the House - and I don't know how you call it, within the House and Senate, within Congress - that are deeply, deeply involved, that just are not public yet. "Those three, though, because they're so powerful and pushing, and Luna is so cutthroat and she's a baller with this stuff, with the UAP stuff. It's incredible. I hope that they stick on it. I'm sure they will. But there are other people that have been involved for a long time, and I think if there becomes a void, those people push in. But I think right now, I think we got a good team of people fighting for this for the American public."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2118288983033622583/amplify_video_thumb/2118281306291556352/img/9FfmPGZ_uqDCQEpW.jpg)
"There are people within Congress [who have been] deeply, deeply involved [in UAP for a long time] that just are not public yet. If there becomes a void, those people push in." ~JC 💀🛸 Is Disclosure DOA in Congress? 🛸 😵 "I don't think it matters if the control of one House or the other changes party hands." ~GK (We now know both the House and Senate have changed hands with the Dems leading the way, so let's see what happens. And if members of Congress [whose names we don't know] who have a deep interest in this go public for the first time, that would be fantastic.) ~ George Knapp: "I know a lot of people are worried what happens in the election because representatives Luna, Burchett, Burlison have sort of led the way. They've been the most vocal House members who've been pushing for answers on this stuff. But recall, this is a bipartisan issue. Each of the hearings that we sat in on, the Democratic lawmakers - maybe not as often and as vociferous - they were right there asking the same kinds of questions as well. I don't think it's going to matter one bit if the Democrats take control of the House versus the Republicans. I think they're just as interested as well. "On the Senate side, Schumer, his legislation is named for him. You know, the UAP Disclosure Act and the provisions that have been included in a couple of different versions. If he ends up being Majority Leader of the Senate again, if the Senate changes hands, I think it's still an issue that he's interested in, and it's true of Republicans in the Senate as well. Mike Rounds, for example, that you've talked to. "It's like the only bipartisan issue in Washington. You know, you got members on both sides of the aisle to whom this is deeply important, and I don't think it matters if the control of one House or the other changes party hands. There are champions for this issue on both sides, in both Houses. So, I hope that all of our pro-UFO disclosure members are still around after January, but we'll see. We'll see soon enough." (They'll all still be there because they all won their races, and one alleged anti-UFO voice (Mike Turner) is gone.) ~ Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell: "Well, look, I will tell you that there are people - and you know this - that are not public within the House - and I don't know how you call it, within the House and Senate, within Congress - that are deeply, deeply involved, that just are not public yet. "Those three, though, because they're so powerful and pushing, and Luna is so cutthroat and she's a baller with this stuff, with the UAP stuff. It's incredible. I hope that they stick on it. I'm sure they will. But there are other people that have been involved for a long time, and I think if there becomes a void, those people push in. But I think right now, I think we got a good team of people fighting for this for the American public."
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![The truth, "was so disturbing that it led individuals involved to resign, suffer mental breakdowns, and in some cases, take their own lives." ~Stratton 👽🔥What Does Jay Stratton Know About UFOs That's Too Disturbing for the Public to Hear? 🔥👽 "One day, the American people will learn the bigger story and how it impacts us all." ~Stratton 🚨 Has Jay Stratton Actually Seen a Recovered UFO? And What Does He Know About Reptilians? 🚨 (This is a very long post, including a lot added by me, but I think it's well worth the time I spent on it. Hopefully, you agree. I think Bret Baier did a great job, but two questions stood out to me: Has Stratton ever personally seen a recovered non-human craft inside a government or contractor facility? And what exactly is so intense about the UFO secret that some believe the American people cannot handle it? In "Out of the Shadows," Stratton wrote about the late Dr. Jim Ryder, who was Vice President at Lockheed Martin Space Systems: "Some of what had been discovered, Ryder told me, was so disturbing that it led individuals involved to resign, suffer mental breakdowns, and in some cases, take their own lives. The truth was just too difficult for them to process." (What could be so disturbing? Did Ryder give him details?) ~~~Full Transcript, with My Additions and Comments~ Bret Baier (BB): "For more insight on these unexplained encounters and reports of non-human lifeforms. I spoke with retired Defense Intelligence, senior executive, Jay Stratton, who has spent more than 15 years investigating UAPs for the U.S. government. We began our conversation on Capitol Hill, where Stratton was one of the first people to brief lawmakers on this topic." ~ BB: "Jay, you served in the U.S. military, national intelligence, almost 33 years." @jaystratto: "Yes, sir." BB: "Long time." Stratton: "Long time, long career." BB: "And you ended up the highest civilian rank." Stratton: Yes, I moved up from the regular GS ranks to the Senior Executive Service, which is the highest a civilian can get, non-appointed. So, it's a career move, and it's a really [big] boost for, I guess, a statement of my capability over the years (laughs), and that I accomplished what I did. And I moved the needle a little bit, enough to get recognized." BB: "But I mean, you served on battlefields, and you served in the Pentagon, you served in the national Intelligence Community." Stratton: "You know, I never thought joining the Army in 1989 that I would be chasing UAP and working this topic. it's an amazing career to have. Almost 33 years. Over sixteen of those were investigating UAP and non-human intelligent life on behalf of the U.S. government. I really feel like, it's been a monumental shift in the culture." ~ BB Voiceover: "The Pentagon has begun declassifying and releasing records about UAPs on a rolling basis now. This follows recent directives from President Trump. Jay Stratton was a central figure in the government's investigation into these sightings and encounters. His new book is called 'Out of the Shadows: Revealing the Truth About Non-Human Intelligent Life.' It comes out tomorrow." ~ BB: "Why'd you write this book?" Stratton: "This book is very important to me. I wanted to get the word out to the people. I've been working behind the scenes for the Last 20 years to get us where we're at today in this Disclosure movement. So it's very important that people understand, the main point is that the world deserves to know the truth about the UAP topic and the presence of non-human intelligent life." BB: "I've read it. It's a page-turner. There's a lot in there that I haven't heard before. You led the government's hunt for this for sixteen years. Simple question: Are we alone?" Stratton: "No, Bret, we're not. Humanity is not the only intelligent life in the Universe, nor do we know the intent of the non-human intelligent life that's here. It's very concerning." BB: "So you say that, but how do you know? Stratton: "Bret, let me take you back to where it started. I was at the Defense Intelligence Agency as the chief of air and space warfare. In that role, I was responsible for emerging and disruptive threats. And also, I had access to our most classified programs. I understood where our technology is and where our technology is going. And I also understood the technology levels of the adversaries. "And it was during that period that a colleague brought to me a video of a triangular UAP flying over a nuclear-missile silo, some of our most secure airspace. And it was flying in ways that I could not comprehend at the time. It was flying in ways demonstrating capabilities that exceeded ours." (This would have been my follow-up: Murgia: "You formed AAWSAP with Dr. James Lacatski. Dr. Lacatski was asked about triangular craft and whether or not the USG has made any progress in reverse engineering them. Watch this clip." Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell: "We hear about all these people on military bases seeing triangles, and you're doing this study, AAWSAP, to try to figure out the physics of how to do that. Do you think it's already been achieved by the U.S. government, or it hasn't, and that's why AAWSAP had a lot of value?" Lacatski: "It hasn't been achieved to its full extent." Murgia: "Nobody expected to see Dr. Lacatski admit that. Jay, is it possible that the triangle you saw in that video was one of ours? Or do you disagree with Dr. Lacatski that we made progress on reverse engineering triangles? "He says not to their full extent but doesn't tell us exactly how far they were able to get. 75%? 90%? "And if we have that world-changing technology, why isn't the human race benefiting from it?" ~Back to BB and Stratton~ BB: "Well, let me read that part from the book. Quote: 'A black triangle aircraft, no wings, no tail, no exhaust, no visible propulsion of any kind. As if the fundamental laws of physics simply didn't apply.' Take me to that day in your life. Somebody hands you that video, taken near this nuclear-weapon-storage site. And what do you see? What do you do?" Stratton: "Well, it's very telling, because in that position with the Defense Intelligence Agency, I was uniquely qualified to identify anything flying in the air or space. So when I'm watching something - as an aerospace engineer - that's demonstrating capabilities that I don't understand and can't comprehend, that was eye-opening and moving for me. I needed to understand this technology, and I needed to understand who had it." BB: "And you considered it a threat." Stratton: "Absolutely, Bret, this is a threat. Because it exceeds our capabilities. We don't understand it, we don't know the intent, and we don't know where it's from." (I can't unhear what Lacatski said, so I hope someone asks Stratton about that. And I am NOT saying that every UFO/UAP sighting is human technology.) ~ BB: "Well, let me just cut to the chase: Does the United States government have non-human craft in its possession?" Stratton: "Yes, it does." BB: "And have you seen one with your eyes?" (To me, BB is asking: With your own eyes, in person, have you seen one of the non-human craft that the USG has in its possession?) Stratton: "I... I have seen non-human beings and non-human craft with my own eyes." BB: "Non-human beings, too?" Stratton: "Yes, sir." (Stratton pretty much said the same words in "Age of Disclosure (AoD).") Stratton in AoD: "I have seen with my own eyes non-human craft and non-human beings." (But as far as I know, in both interviews, he's talking about what he's seen at Skinwalker Ranch and his home, but NOT in a government or contractor hangar.) ~ BB: "Where are these craft now? Are they being reverse engineered? Does the government have them? Is it private companies that have them? Where is this stuff?" (BB is responding as if Stratton was talking about craft that are in the possession of the USG or their contractors, and, again, I don't think that is what Stratton was referring to.) Stratton: "Bret, both the defense-contractor community and the government have craft of non-human origin. There is an ongoing program to capture and reverse engineer this technology. And really, we're in a secret Cold War race to do that." (This is where it could have been clarified. I would ask this:) Murgia: "Just so I'm clear: Have you seen any of the craft you say are being reverse engineered by the USG, with your own eyes, in person? I'm not talking about craft or beings you've seen at Skinwalker Ranch or in/at your home. I'm talking about being allowed into a facility and seeing a craft of unknown origin that is in the possession of the USG or one of its contractors. Has that ever happened?" ~ BB: "Why haven't we heard about this? Why, you know, all of these releases from the government that we have these videos, and some of them are very compelling, others not so much. And people say, 'Well, I wanna see the real stuff.' Why haven't we seen the real stuff?" Stratton: "Well, the people who have had this 80-year monopoly on the topic believe that the secret is so intense that the American people cannot handle it. I believe that there may be aspects of this that are so intense that they can't share it, but they can share with the American people the basic fact that we are not alone. The people can handle that." (In "The Age of Disclosure," he said something very similar... Stratton: "The people behind the Legacy Program truly believe that the secret is so intense that they can’t share it with the American people. There may be aspects of this that are so intense they can’t share it." (This pissed me off when I saw it in the documentary and I posted about it on here. And it pisses me off now. Some people in the Legacy program feel some aspects of the phenomenon are too intense to share with public. Okay, I don't agree that those folks should get to decide what we get to hear, but I understand that's allegedly how they feel and what's going on.) I wanted to hear Stratton say something like this: Hypothetical Stratton: "The people in the Legacy program do NOT get to decide what the world gets to hear about reality, and neither do I. The truth shall set us free and it needs to come out now." Instead, we got this: Stratton in AoD: "There may be aspects of this that are so intense they can’t share it." (No, no, no. They CAN'T share it? MAYBE I could understand if he said: There may be aspects of this that are so intense that we need to prepare people for it and be careful how we release it. But it CAN and SHOULD be shared with the world.) Stratton in AoD: "However, I think the basic fact that we are not alone in the Universe, we can share that with the American people. We can handle it at this point." (I agree. And hopefully, if that ever happens, the media will do their job and dig as hard as they can to find out the alleged "intense" aspects, IF they're still being kept from us. What ARE the alleged intense aspects of the phenomenon? It's possible David Grusch shared some of that on Joe Rogan? Grusch: There are crash retrievals that featured cadavers of beautiful-looking beings that resembled humans, but they had a bluish-white complexion. Grays and Reptilians are real and battle each other in the sky. Reptilians have injured and killed humans. And humans, in turn, killed the Reptilians. If that's true, kudos to Grusch for saying "f*ck it," deciding that we deserve to know, and sharing it. And someone needs to ask Stratton if he knows about ANY of that. Has he seen any of those photos, videos, reports, or spoken to any of the alleged witnesses who make those types of claims? ~ Stratton in AoD: "Hopefully one day, the American people will learn the bigger story and how it impacts us all." (One reason people don't pay close attention to this subject is because they don't see how it affects their daily lives, and they're more concerned about paying the bills and putting food on the table. If it really "impacts us all," and can be proven, that information needs to come out NOW, as it has the potential to get billions of people engaged with the topic and hopefully help us figure out what the hell is going on. And if it's something that is detrimental to humans, maybe we can do something to change it? The potential benefits of Disclosure may outweigh the risks of any societal disruption.) ~ BB: "In the book, you write this: 'Our bait would be a nuclear submarine... Draw a UAP in close enough to monitor, track, and if possible, capture or recover.' So basically, you used a U.S. nuclear submarine as bait. Explain that." Stratton: "I worked on several efforts to do this, and it culminated when I had access to a nuclear submarine that I could put out off the East Coast. And I had a P-3, a Navy submarine-hunting with a lot of different equipment on it. And I parked it out there to try and capture information/data on these, on this UAP. " BB: "What happened?" Stratton: "And it worked. On that very first mission, a UAP appeared, and the P-3 worked to collect on the...and data was collected on that mission." (Data was collected? In the book, Stratton writes this:) "Midway through their patrol, the pilot spotted a UAP: a sphere approximately 6 feet in diameter hovering at their ten o’clock. The crew sprang into action, dropping the radar into position and preparing the cameras for a closer look. But just as quickly as it had appeared, the UAP darted out of sight, slipping below the P-3’s line of vision. "Undeterred, WARLOCK’s crew executed a search pattern, their high-definition cameras sweeping the skies. For two agonizing hours, they circled the area, scanning and recalibrating, but the UAP was gone. "The crew did everything right, they reported back with meticulous detail, but the elusive target had vanished without a trace. "Over the coming weeks, WARLOCK flew several more missions, but there was always some logistical issue that created a hurdle." ~End Excerpt from, "Out of the Shadows"~ (Nothing about data being collected. Unless... "...they reported back with meticulous detail." Does that mean data was collected before the UAP disappeared? If so, what did the data suggest? Or do the UAP Security Classification Guidelines (that Stratton wrote) prevent him from sharing that? How many times has a similar effort been made since then? According to Stratton, in his book, in the sixteen hours Stratton had booked with the P-3 plane and its advanced sensors, only one UAP showed up. Who has the power to use that P-3 for an entire week? Has that been done already? What about the alleged luring efforts that Rep. Eric Burlison has spoken about? Have they already collected tons of data? If so, then we don't need another P-3 effort. Never mind. 🫠) ~ BB: "You write in the book: 'We've had four UAP encounters in the past week.' This is from two flag officers. 'There's something else. Two flag officers and a commander witnessed a UAP hovering over one of our facilities.' That was the call you got from Top Gun." Stratton: "Yes, Bret. I got a phone call from two flag officers, two different admirals, and a commander who was their senior intelligence officer. And they said, 'Jay, we've seen it with our own eyes'. So these guys are the cream of the crop, and they saw a UAP phase in, was their own words, over the training building on the compound. And it just disappeared as fast as it was there. "Then, the rest of the story, or the more important part of the story, is...in order to really understand that information, I need to get it into the intelligence record. So, I had to get them debriefed. They came to the Pentagon, and a senior officer, someone senior to them - someone who I believe is involved in this Legacy Program, this historic cover-up, the hidden hand, as I call it in the book - intercepted them and convinced them that their reputations are on the line if they make this report. And they didn't make the report." (This is "JT" in Stratton's book. Vice Admiral Jeffrey E. Trussler, the Director of Naval Intelligence who retired in 2023.) BB: "Is that why we haven't seen more of this? You write in the book: 'These people don't play games, Jay.' Somebody talking to you, a friend. 'They've done worse than threaten people to keep their secrets and they'll do it again.' A friend pulls you into his office, tells you this. What does he mean? Does worse than threaten?" Stratton: "Throughout history, Bret, the secrets sometimes are so impactful to our national security, that steps have been taken to remove the problem." BB: "And the people." Stratton: "And the people." (If the Legacy program folks (or someone connected to that) injured or killed people to keep the secret, are they going to argue that the law allowed them to do that? Will they argue that any person blowing the whistle on the truth about UFOs could have, potentially, caused grave harm to the national security of the United States and they had to act to stop it? Will that end up in a courtroom?) BB: "When I first saw you, you were in the documentary, 'Age of Disclosure.' And here's a clip from that, and it raised my eyebrows about Secretary Rubio as well." ~ Rubio in AoD: "We've had repeated instances of something operating in the airspace over restricted nuclear facilities, and it's not ours." Stratton in AoD: "They have both deactivated and activated nuclear weapons with both the United States and Russia." Rep. Andre Carson in AoD: "These are otherworldly things that are performing maneuvers that haven't been seen." Stratton in AoD: "The UAP activity surrounding nuclear weapons is not a historic issue; it's an ongoing issue." ~ BB: "In this book, you go farther than even the documentary went. You've been advising the White House since the President ordered the files released. You think he's seen all the real evidence? Do you think he's in the brief?" Stratton: "No, Bret, I don't think he's seen it. I think he's still being shielded from the truth. And we have to work hard to bring the truth to the president because the president that goes to the microphone to tell the world we're not alone...that's a monumental moment." (If the Trump administration is serious about Disclosure and transparency, why doesn't Stephen Miller have Stratton come to the White House tomorrow and have him brief Trump on EVERYTHING he knows? Ask Stratton (or Miller) that. Or is it all about maintaining plausible deniability for Trump? This way, Trump can be asked if he knows about non-human craft and bodies, say, "No," and be telling the truth. My friend, Naval Commander Will Miller (Retired), was talking about the use of plausible deniability within the UFO subject and USG back in 2013.) BB: "If an adversary cracks this technology before we do, what happens? Do you think China is trying?" Stratton: "I do. I think China and Russia are both working on reverse engineering craft of non-human origin." BB: "The Pentagon's own UFO office says it found no evidence of extraterrestrials. You say that they're here. Somebody's wrong." Stratton: "Somebody's wrong. And I think that America is gonna pay the price if the truth doesn't win in this situation. The world, deserves the truth." BB: "Critics say, if this is real, why put it in a book that you're selling? Why not say to Capitol Hill, 'I'm here. This is what I know. Let's talk about this'? Stratton: "I've briefed Congress numerous times. I was one of the first to brief Congress on this topic in the modern era in 2007 when I briefed Senator Harry Reid. And I continued that through the rest of the next sixteen years until I left the government and retired. The book, it puts everything in context and it brings it together. It's evergreen (something that stays relevant, useful, or interesting over time. ~Joe). It covers UAP cases over U.S. military bases that haven't been discussed yet. It gives you descriptions and details of recovered craft." (Details on recovered craft were minimal in "Out of the Shadows." On Dr. Phil, David Grusch mentioned, "the disc, the sunfish, boot heel-looking thing, boomerangs, crescent moon-looking craft, Tic Tacs, egg-looking craft and different types of pilots, if you will." Does Stratton agree with all of that?) BB: "But you know, everybody's asking here..." Stratton: "Yeah." BB: "Are they hostile?" Stratton: "Ah. Bret, we don't know the intent. Sad for me to say, after sixteen-plus years of looking at this for the government, and, you know, twenty-plus years of looking at it, we do not know the intent." (We don't know intent. But remember, in AoD, Stratton said: "Hopefully one day, the American people will learn the bigger story and how it impacts us all." If we don't know intent, how do we know how it impacts us all? Abductions? Something else? What's the bigger story?) BB: "Well, Jay, we appreciate you talking to us." Stratton: "Thank you, sir. I appreciate you having me here."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2111911516928970915/amplify_video_thumb/2111910579166449664/img/iUw1BR9-T4ED1P_B.jpg)
The truth, "was so disturbing that it led individuals involved to resign, suffer mental breakdowns, and in some cases, take their own lives." ~Stratton 👽🔥What Does Jay Stratton Know About UFOs That's Too Disturbing for the Public to Hear? 🔥👽 "One day, the American people will learn the bigger story and how it impacts us all." ~Stratton 🚨 Has Jay Stratton Actually Seen a Recovered UFO? And What Does He Know About Reptilians? 🚨 (This is a very long post, including a lot added by me, but I think it's well worth the time I spent on it. Hopefully, you agree. I think Bret Baier did a great job, but two questions stood out to me: Has Stratton ever personally seen a recovered non-human craft inside a government or contractor facility? And what exactly is so intense about the UFO secret that some believe the American people cannot handle it? In "Out of the Shadows," Stratton wrote about the late Dr. Jim Ryder, who was Vice President at Lockheed Martin Space Systems: "Some of what had been discovered, Ryder told me, was so disturbing that it led individuals involved to resign, suffer mental breakdowns, and in some cases, take their own lives. The truth was just too difficult for them to process." (What could be so disturbing? Did Ryder give him details?) ~~~Full Transcript, with My Additions and Comments~ Bret Baier (BB): "For more insight on these unexplained encounters and reports of non-human lifeforms. I spoke with retired Defense Intelligence, senior executive, Jay Stratton, who has spent more than 15 years investigating UAPs for the U.S. government. We began our conversation on Capitol Hill, where Stratton was one of the first people to brief lawmakers on this topic." ~ BB: "Jay, you served in the U.S. military, national intelligence, almost 33 years." @jaystratto: "Yes, sir." BB: "Long time." Stratton: "Long time, long career." BB: "And you ended up the highest civilian rank." Stratton: Yes, I moved up from the regular GS ranks to the Senior Executive Service, which is the highest a civilian can get, non-appointed. So, it's a career move, and it's a really [big] boost for, I guess, a statement of my capability over the years (laughs), and that I accomplished what I did. And I moved the needle a little bit, enough to get recognized." BB: "But I mean, you served on battlefields, and you served in the Pentagon, you served in the national Intelligence Community." Stratton: "You know, I never thought joining the Army in 1989 that I would be chasing UAP and working this topic. it's an amazing career to have. Almost 33 years. Over sixteen of those were investigating UAP and non-human intelligent life on behalf of the U.S. government. I really feel like, it's been a monumental shift in the culture." ~ BB Voiceover: "The Pentagon has begun declassifying and releasing records about UAPs on a rolling basis now. This follows recent directives from President Trump. Jay Stratton was a central figure in the government's investigation into these sightings and encounters. His new book is called 'Out of the Shadows: Revealing the Truth About Non-Human Intelligent Life.' It comes out tomorrow." ~ BB: "Why'd you write this book?" Stratton: "This book is very important to me. I wanted to get the word out to the people. I've been working behind the scenes for the Last 20 years to get us where we're at today in this Disclosure movement. So it's very important that people understand, the main point is that the world deserves to know the truth about the UAP topic and the presence of non-human intelligent life." BB: "I've read it. It's a page-turner. There's a lot in there that I haven't heard before. You led the government's hunt for this for sixteen years. Simple question: Are we alone?" Stratton: "No, Bret, we're not. Humanity is not the only intelligent life in the Universe, nor do we know the intent of the non-human intelligent life that's here. It's very concerning." BB: "So you say that, but how do you know? Stratton: "Bret, let me take you back to where it started. I was at the Defense Intelligence Agency as the chief of air and space warfare. In that role, I was responsible for emerging and disruptive threats. And also, I had access to our most classified programs. I understood where our technology is and where our technology is going. And I also understood the technology levels of the adversaries. "And it was during that period that a colleague brought to me a video of a triangular UAP flying over a nuclear-missile silo, some of our most secure airspace. And it was flying in ways that I could not comprehend at the time. It was flying in ways demonstrating capabilities that exceeded ours." (This would have been my follow-up: Murgia: "You formed AAWSAP with Dr. James Lacatski. Dr. Lacatski was asked about triangular craft and whether or not the USG has made any progress in reverse engineering them. Watch this clip." Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell: "We hear about all these people on military bases seeing triangles, and you're doing this study, AAWSAP, to try to figure out the physics of how to do that. Do you think it's already been achieved by the U.S. government, or it hasn't, and that's why AAWSAP had a lot of value?" Lacatski: "It hasn't been achieved to its full extent." Murgia: "Nobody expected to see Dr. Lacatski admit that. Jay, is it possible that the triangle you saw in that video was one of ours? Or do you disagree with Dr. Lacatski that we made progress on reverse engineering triangles? "He says not to their full extent but doesn't tell us exactly how far they were able to get. 75%? 90%? "And if we have that world-changing technology, why isn't the human race benefiting from it?" ~Back to BB and Stratton~ BB: "Well, let me read that part from the book. Quote: 'A black triangle aircraft, no wings, no tail, no exhaust, no visible propulsion of any kind. As if the fundamental laws of physics simply didn't apply.' Take me to that day in your life. Somebody hands you that video, taken near this nuclear-weapon-storage site. And what do you see? What do you do?" Stratton: "Well, it's very telling, because in that position with the Defense Intelligence Agency, I was uniquely qualified to identify anything flying in the air or space. So when I'm watching something - as an aerospace engineer - that's demonstrating capabilities that I don't understand and can't comprehend, that was eye-opening and moving for me. I needed to understand this technology, and I needed to understand who had it." BB: "And you considered it a threat." Stratton: "Absolutely, Bret, this is a threat. Because it exceeds our capabilities. We don't understand it, we don't know the intent, and we don't know where it's from." (I can't unhear what Lacatski said, so I hope someone asks Stratton about that. And I am NOT saying that every UFO/UAP sighting is human technology.) ~ BB: "Well, let me just cut to the chase: Does the United States government have non-human craft in its possession?" Stratton: "Yes, it does." BB: "And have you seen one with your eyes?" (To me, BB is asking: With your own eyes, in person, have you seen one of the non-human craft that the USG has in its possession?) Stratton: "I... I have seen non-human beings and non-human craft with my own eyes." BB: "Non-human beings, too?" Stratton: "Yes, sir." (Stratton pretty much said the same words in "Age of Disclosure (AoD).") Stratton in AoD: "I have seen with my own eyes non-human craft and non-human beings." (But as far as I know, in both interviews, he's talking about what he's seen at Skinwalker Ranch and his home, but NOT in a government or contractor hangar.) ~ BB: "Where are these craft now? Are they being reverse engineered? Does the government have them? Is it private companies that have them? Where is this stuff?" (BB is responding as if Stratton was talking about craft that are in the possession of the USG or their contractors, and, again, I don't think that is what Stratton was referring to.) Stratton: "Bret, both the defense-contractor community and the government have craft of non-human origin. There is an ongoing program to capture and reverse engineer this technology. And really, we're in a secret Cold War race to do that." (This is where it could have been clarified. I would ask this:) Murgia: "Just so I'm clear: Have you seen any of the craft you say are being reverse engineered by the USG, with your own eyes, in person? I'm not talking about craft or beings you've seen at Skinwalker Ranch or in/at your home. I'm talking about being allowed into a facility and seeing a craft of unknown origin that is in the possession of the USG or one of its contractors. Has that ever happened?" ~ BB: "Why haven't we heard about this? Why, you know, all of these releases from the government that we have these videos, and some of them are very compelling, others not so much. And people say, 'Well, I wanna see the real stuff.' Why haven't we seen the real stuff?" Stratton: "Well, the people who have had this 80-year monopoly on the topic believe that the secret is so intense that the American people cannot handle it. I believe that there may be aspects of this that are so intense that they can't share it, but they can share with the American people the basic fact that we are not alone. The people can handle that." (In "The Age of Disclosure," he said something very similar... Stratton: "The people behind the Legacy Program truly believe that the secret is so intense that they can’t share it with the American people. There may be aspects of this that are so intense they can’t share it." (This pissed me off when I saw it in the documentary and I posted about it on here. And it pisses me off now. Some people in the Legacy program feel some aspects of the phenomenon are too intense to share with public. Okay, I don't agree that those folks should get to decide what we get to hear, but I understand that's allegedly how they feel and what's going on.) I wanted to hear Stratton say something like this: Hypothetical Stratton: "The people in the Legacy program do NOT get to decide what the world gets to hear about reality, and neither do I. The truth shall set us free and it needs to come out now." Instead, we got this: Stratton in AoD: "There may be aspects of this that are so intense they can’t share it." (No, no, no. They CAN'T share it? MAYBE I could understand if he said: There may be aspects of this that are so intense that we need to prepare people for it and be careful how we release it. But it CAN and SHOULD be shared with the world.) Stratton in AoD: "However, I think the basic fact that we are not alone in the Universe, we can share that with the American people. We can handle it at this point." (I agree. And hopefully, if that ever happens, the media will do their job and dig as hard as they can to find out the alleged "intense" aspects, IF they're still being kept from us. What ARE the alleged intense aspects of the phenomenon? It's possible David Grusch shared some of that on Joe Rogan? Grusch: There are crash retrievals that featured cadavers of beautiful-looking beings that resembled humans, but they had a bluish-white complexion. Grays and Reptilians are real and battle each other in the sky. Reptilians have injured and killed humans. And humans, in turn, killed the Reptilians. If that's true, kudos to Grusch for saying "f*ck it," deciding that we deserve to know, and sharing it. And someone needs to ask Stratton if he knows about ANY of that. Has he seen any of those photos, videos, reports, or spoken to any of the alleged witnesses who make those types of claims? ~ Stratton in AoD: "Hopefully one day, the American people will learn the bigger story and how it impacts us all." (One reason people don't pay close attention to this subject is because they don't see how it affects their daily lives, and they're more concerned about paying the bills and putting food on the table. If it really "impacts us all," and can be proven, that information needs to come out NOW, as it has the potential to get billions of people engaged with the topic and hopefully help us figure out what the hell is going on. And if it's something that is detrimental to humans, maybe we can do something to change it? The potential benefits of Disclosure may outweigh the risks of any societal disruption.) ~ BB: "In the book, you write this: 'Our bait would be a nuclear submarine... Draw a UAP in close enough to monitor, track, and if possible, capture or recover.' So basically, you used a U.S. nuclear submarine as bait. Explain that." Stratton: "I worked on several efforts to do this, and it culminated when I had access to a nuclear submarine that I could put out off the East Coast. And I had a P-3, a Navy submarine-hunting with a lot of different equipment on it. And I parked it out there to try and capture information/data on these, on this UAP. " BB: "What happened?" Stratton: "And it worked. On that very first mission, a UAP appeared, and the P-3 worked to collect on the...and data was collected on that mission." (Data was collected? In the book, Stratton writes this:) "Midway through their patrol, the pilot spotted a UAP: a sphere approximately 6 feet in diameter hovering at their ten o’clock. The crew sprang into action, dropping the radar into position and preparing the cameras for a closer look. But just as quickly as it had appeared, the UAP darted out of sight, slipping below the P-3’s line of vision. "Undeterred, WARLOCK’s crew executed a search pattern, their high-definition cameras sweeping the skies. For two agonizing hours, they circled the area, scanning and recalibrating, but the UAP was gone. "The crew did everything right, they reported back with meticulous detail, but the elusive target had vanished without a trace. "Over the coming weeks, WARLOCK flew several more missions, but there was always some logistical issue that created a hurdle." ~End Excerpt from, "Out of the Shadows"~ (Nothing about data being collected. Unless... "...they reported back with meticulous detail." Does that mean data was collected before the UAP disappeared? If so, what did the data suggest? Or do the UAP Security Classification Guidelines (that Stratton wrote) prevent him from sharing that? How many times has a similar effort been made since then? According to Stratton, in his book, in the sixteen hours Stratton had booked with the P-3 plane and its advanced sensors, only one UAP showed up. Who has the power to use that P-3 for an entire week? Has that been done already? What about the alleged luring efforts that Rep. Eric Burlison has spoken about? Have they already collected tons of data? If so, then we don't need another P-3 effort. Never mind. 🫠) ~ BB: "You write in the book: 'We've had four UAP encounters in the past week.' This is from two flag officers. 'There's something else. Two flag officers and a commander witnessed a UAP hovering over one of our facilities.' That was the call you got from Top Gun." Stratton: "Yes, Bret. I got a phone call from two flag officers, two different admirals, and a commander who was their senior intelligence officer. And they said, 'Jay, we've seen it with our own eyes'. So these guys are the cream of the crop, and they saw a UAP phase in, was their own words, over the training building on the compound. And it just disappeared as fast as it was there. "Then, the rest of the story, or the more important part of the story, is...in order to really understand that information, I need to get it into the intelligence record. So, I had to get them debriefed. They came to the Pentagon, and a senior officer, someone senior to them - someone who I believe is involved in this Legacy Program, this historic cover-up, the hidden hand, as I call it in the book - intercepted them and convinced them that their reputations are on the line if they make this report. And they didn't make the report." (This is "JT" in Stratton's book. Vice Admiral Jeffrey E. Trussler, the Director of Naval Intelligence who retired in 2023.) BB: "Is that why we haven't seen more of this? You write in the book: 'These people don't play games, Jay.' Somebody talking to you, a friend. 'They've done worse than threaten people to keep their secrets and they'll do it again.' A friend pulls you into his office, tells you this. What does he mean? Does worse than threaten?" Stratton: "Throughout history, Bret, the secrets sometimes are so impactful to our national security, that steps have been taken to remove the problem." BB: "And the people." Stratton: "And the people." (If the Legacy program folks (or someone connected to that) injured or killed people to keep the secret, are they going to argue that the law allowed them to do that? Will they argue that any person blowing the whistle on the truth about UFOs could have, potentially, caused grave harm to the national security of the United States and they had to act to stop it? Will that end up in a courtroom?) BB: "When I first saw you, you were in the documentary, 'Age of Disclosure.' And here's a clip from that, and it raised my eyebrows about Secretary Rubio as well." ~ Rubio in AoD: "We've had repeated instances of something operating in the airspace over restricted nuclear facilities, and it's not ours." Stratton in AoD: "They have both deactivated and activated nuclear weapons with both the United States and Russia." Rep. Andre Carson in AoD: "These are otherworldly things that are performing maneuvers that haven't been seen." Stratton in AoD: "The UAP activity surrounding nuclear weapons is not a historic issue; it's an ongoing issue." ~ BB: "In this book, you go farther than even the documentary went. You've been advising the White House since the President ordered the files released. You think he's seen all the real evidence? Do you think he's in the brief?" Stratton: "No, Bret, I don't think he's seen it. I think he's still being shielded from the truth. And we have to work hard to bring the truth to the president because the president that goes to the microphone to tell the world we're not alone...that's a monumental moment." (If the Trump administration is serious about Disclosure and transparency, why doesn't Stephen Miller have Stratton come to the White House tomorrow and have him brief Trump on EVERYTHING he knows? Ask Stratton (or Miller) that. Or is it all about maintaining plausible deniability for Trump? This way, Trump can be asked if he knows about non-human craft and bodies, say, "No," and be telling the truth. My friend, Naval Commander Will Miller (Retired), was talking about the use of plausible deniability within the UFO subject and USG back in 2013.) BB: "If an adversary cracks this technology before we do, what happens? Do you think China is trying?" Stratton: "I do. I think China and Russia are both working on reverse engineering craft of non-human origin." BB: "The Pentagon's own UFO office says it found no evidence of extraterrestrials. You say that they're here. Somebody's wrong." Stratton: "Somebody's wrong. And I think that America is gonna pay the price if the truth doesn't win in this situation. The world, deserves the truth." BB: "Critics say, if this is real, why put it in a book that you're selling? Why not say to Capitol Hill, 'I'm here. This is what I know. Let's talk about this'? Stratton: "I've briefed Congress numerous times. I was one of the first to brief Congress on this topic in the modern era in 2007 when I briefed Senator Harry Reid. And I continued that through the rest of the next sixteen years until I left the government and retired. The book, it puts everything in context and it brings it together. It's evergreen (something that stays relevant, useful, or interesting over time. ~Joe). It covers UAP cases over U.S. military bases that haven't been discussed yet. It gives you descriptions and details of recovered craft." (Details on recovered craft were minimal in "Out of the Shadows." On Dr. Phil, David Grusch mentioned, "the disc, the sunfish, boot heel-looking thing, boomerangs, crescent moon-looking craft, Tic Tacs, egg-looking craft and different types of pilots, if you will." Does Stratton agree with all of that?) BB: "But you know, everybody's asking here..." Stratton: "Yeah." BB: "Are they hostile?" Stratton: "Ah. Bret, we don't know the intent. Sad for me to say, after sixteen-plus years of looking at this for the government, and, you know, twenty-plus years of looking at it, we do not know the intent." (We don't know intent. But remember, in AoD, Stratton said: "Hopefully one day, the American people will learn the bigger story and how it impacts us all." If we don't know intent, how do we know how it impacts us all? Abductions? Something else? What's the bigger story?) BB: "Well, Jay, we appreciate you talking to us." Stratton: "Thank you, sir. I appreciate you having me here."
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!["If the truth were to come out...it would pull the rug out from under everything, the whole fabric of society would come unraveled." ~Herrington (allegedly) 🛸 Lying to Protect the UFO Cover-Up? 🛸 (I wanted to get this RLAP (REALLY Long-Ass Post, which is in two parts) out before Jesse Michels (AA) puts out his interview with Herrington. Watch the video I clipped from AA, read the transcript from a few other podcasts, and tell me if you think Friedman is lying. I just don't see it. Herrington denies any of this happened, so somebody IS lying, misremembering, or Herrington was pulling Friedman's leg about underground briefings, crying himself to sleep, and aliens. Using my judgment, and in my opinion: I believe Friedman.) "Aliens are real, they're here, and I've seen them." ~John Herrington, Former Secretary of Energy (allegedly) "My emotional take on this is that there is a darkness to this, and it's dangerous." ~Friedman If Disclosure happens... ⬇️ "We are in a God-fearing country. If you take that away, if you pull that out from underneath everyone, you're gonna lose a huge portion of the population." ~Herrington (allegedly) ~ (Just know that Herrington has denied (to Ben Schreckinger) that any of what Friedman claims, actually happened. And that includes having Friedman drive his car across the country. I'll include that in Part 2. And again, Jesse Michels recorded an interview with Herrington and that's about to be uploaded, so we'll see what he says there.) ~The Man Who Cried Himself to Sleep~ (I stole that from the Sound, Light & Frequency podcast) It’s the summer of 1981, and Brent Friedman (Brent Friedman) is eighteen and preparing to leave for college at UCLA in the fall. Before heading out, he takes on a cross-country drive - from the San Francisco area to Virginia, near Washington, D.C. - as a favor and a way to earn some extra money. The trip is for his former neighbor, John Herrington, who had lived next door to him during his childhood, from ages six to twelve. During those years, Herrington became more than just a neighbor - he was a father figure. (These quotes are from the Sound, Light and Frequency podcast: The Man Who Cried Himself to Sleep ⬇️) Friedman makes the drive and arrives in Virginia and meets up with Herrington, who says he's, "working at a very high-level in the Reagan administration" Friedman: "[Herrington] and Reagan were quite close." Bryce Zabel: "Am I correct in saying, though, that his actual job description at that time was the Assistant to the Undersecretary of the Navy?" Friedman: "I believe so, yes." (That does not appear to be accurate.) Friedman: "He did have an official title. I know that, at the time, he was working on something behind the scenes with the ABSCAM situation. But, what he ends up telling me is that he has a very high-level position and, in fact, his clearance is higher than the president's." (Herrington wasn't sworn in to Assistant Secretary of the Navy until October of 1981 and wasn't sworn in to Secretary of Energy until February of 1985. So what position allowed Herrington to have a high clearance and access to so much information, before the summer of 1981? In 1980, Herrington was the advance man for Reagan and his presidential campaign. What does an advance man do?) From Political Dictionary dot com... "The 'Advance man' is someone who makes arrangements and handles publicity for the candidate during a campaign. "The advance man travels to a location ahead of the candidate’s arrival and sets everything up so that things run smoothly for the candidate’s media appearance, or for whatever event the candidate is participating in." (Would an advance man be briefed about our country's biggest secrets? I don't think so. Is there a detail of this story that's missing? Maybe Herrington had some other job that required him to have access to all this information? I found this excerpt from The American Presidency Project website, which includes some further background info. on Herrington.) "In 1967 [Herrington] opened his own law office in Walnut Creek, Calif., specializing in real estate, corporate law, taxation, and contracts. He was recently involved in property management. "During the 1980 Presidential campaign, Mr. Herrington was a full-time volunteer advance man with the Reagan for President committee. Following the Republican National Convention he was named western regional director for advance. ⬇️⬇️⬇️ "[On May 6th, 1981] - The President...announced the appointment of John S. Herrington to be Deputy Assistant to the President for Presidential Personnel." According to AI (which pulled three sources), that position, "manages the selection, vetting, and recommendation process for political appointees across federal agencies. They oversee talent recruitment, security clearance coordination, and strategic staffing to fill executive branch positions with qualified individuals aligned with the administration's goals." (So, perhaps it was in that ⬆️⬆️⬆️ position where Herrington was thoroughly briefed, leading up to his conversation with Friedman?) ~~~ In the interview with Ross Coulthart (and in other interviews), Friedman said that when he went to Herrington's house that night... Friedman: "I saw him come home from work in a black Lincoln Town Car, with two Secret Service guys attending to him, a briefcase handcuffed to his wrist [which] was brought into the house, taken right into his office where the briefcase goes into a wall safe. He was a real estate lawyer when I grew up with him. "[Herrington] says, 'Let's you and I go out onto the veranda and catch up.' Now, when I was growing up, he was a strict Calvinist. He didn't drink, he didn't swear, and really fit. A man's man. Well, when I saw him that night, he looked haggard, he looked like he had the weight of the world on him. He also brought a bottle of Jim Beam out to the backyard and he was pouring himself what I later learned were two fingers, two little glasses, you know? "After we caught up on my life, I said, 'What is your job? What was the whole thing with the black Town Car and the briefcase?' He said, 'Oh, I can't talk about it. I'm working for the President in a special capacity and it's all highly classified.' "A couple of years earlier, our family had been contacted by, I believe it was either the CIA or the NSA, or something, and asked a bunch of questions about him, I guess as he was being vetted for this job. But we didn't know what the job was, we just knew that it was some government position and they wanted to know things about him. "Again, he was not forthcoming with what the job was, but the more I pushed him and the more he had to drink, he eventually said to me, 'Well, look, the fact of the matter is, you know, to get this job, I had to be briefed for a number of months in an underground facility in West Virginia.' And I was like, 'Wow, that sounds intense!' And he goes, 'Yeah, I used to cry myself to sleep every night.'" (I've been tweeting about this story for 4+ years, and anybody who hears that part can't help but wonder: What the hell did they (allegedly) tell him?!) Friedman: "Now, again, a man's man. When I was growing up, the thought of him crying once in his life was unthinkable to me. The idea of him crying every night, I was shocked. And I said, 'Well, what would cause you to do that?' And he said, 'Brent, this is not the world I thought I was bringing my daughters into.' "Now, think about that. You're 18 years old, and this man who you look up to, that you revere, is telling you this. All I could say was, 'Well, what about me? I'm in this world, too! I need to know something.' And he said, 'Well, I can't really go into that. This is like, highly-classified material.' And I said, 'John, I'm sitting here. Like, you've just put me...puts the edge. I need to know something.' "And he said, 'Well, okay, I'll tell you what. I know, when you were growing up, you were into science fiction and comic books and all that stuff. Well, aliens are real, they're here, and I've seen them.' And he said it with just the most casualness, like just throwing me a bone. Like, okay, can we stop talking now?" ~~~ (Was Herrington just pulling Friedman's leg since he knew of Friedman's interest in Sci Fi? Back in 2018, Zabel gave a lecture at the International UFO Congress, and he talked about this story.) Zabel: "This the quote that Brent gave me. Herrington said, 'There is alien life on Earth, I've seen it.' And Brent said, "Is it alive?" And Herrington said, "That depends." (Regarding the question of whether the alien life Herrington allegedly saw was alive or not, none of the current interviews with Friedman contain the Herrington answer, "It depends." Is that an accurate quote from Friedman or did Zabel get it wrong? If he really said, "It depends," that has the potential to make things even more interesting. ⬇️) ~Back to the Coulthart Interview~ Friedman: "And I kind of was taken aback, and I said, 'What do you mean? Are they alive?' And he said, 'Um, I can't say.' I said, 'You can't say, or you won't say?' And he said, 'I can't say.' (He couldn't say because he wasn't allowed, or he couldn't say because "it depends" on what one means by "alive"? I may be making this too complicated, and I hope Brent chimes in with some comments in the replies. Okay, he DID chime in and address it during the "Sound, Light & Frequency" followup podcast on March 22 entitled, "More on the Story — J.C. and Herrington.") Friedman: "Did he say he can't say because he didn't know, or...this is not a life-form as we know it? There's a lot of ways to interpret this." ~Back to the Coulthart Interview~ Friedman: "And I said, 'Well, okay, hold on a second. How is it that everyone doesn't know the truth?' And he said, 'Oh, lots of people know the truth. You can walk into any bookstore and you're gonna find all sorts of books that contain all sorts of truth. And right next to them, you'll find books that we published, that are full of lies and disinformation. And he said, 'There's a multi-billion dollar campaign to keep this covered up.'" (If that's true, what I wouldn't give to know which UFO books were put out by the government (or whomever is doing it) as disinformation and to lead us astray. Any channeled books?) Friedman: "And I remember in 1981, I was not a great student so I don't know that I ever heard this in high school. I don't think I'd heard the word billion before. I knew it sounded big, but I didn't even know what that meant." ~ From Coulthart's interview of David Grusch in June of 2023 Grusch: "There's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the U.S. populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral. This has leaked like a sieve for decades, but it was a very sophisticated, disinformation campaign where, you know, they have allowed some of the truth to come out through some of their trade crafts. But they've disenfranchised people, they've stigmatized it, they made it like a, this total like wacky thing to talk about. So anybody who may come forward with that kind of information is looked like a, you know, total tinfoil hat guy, because it's a perfect amalgamation of disinformation to just make it look crazy." ~ (From the Sound, Light & Frequency podcast...) Friedman: [Herrington told me], "if the truth were to come out - and by the way, we don't know the full truth, but if what we knew were to come out - it would pull the rug out from under everything, the whole fabric of society would come unraveled." (Back to the "Reality Check" interview.) Friedman: "And I said, 'Well, you know, hold on a second. So you're telling me that there's aliens, there's a big cover-up. Is this never gonna come out?' And he said, 'Well, you know, maybe in our lifetime. Only if it has to, though.' "And I said, 'Well, I don't understand why.' And he said, 'We are in a God-fearing country. If you take that away, if you pull that out from underneath everyone, you're gonna lose a huge portion of the population. And if you do that on a global level, and you take away what people believe in, you are going to disrupt the one thing that holds the whole world together, which is the global economy.'" ~~~ In "The Age of Disclosure," we were told this: "One very distinctive moment for me was briefing then Secretary of Treasury, Steve Mnuchin. I got through my briefing, and at the end of the brief, he sat back in his chair and he said, 'You know, Jay, you may wonder why I asked for this briefing.' And he said, 'What are the economic impacts of the President going to the microphone and telling the world we’re not alone? I have to think about those kinds of impacts in order to prepare, if the President were to make that move.'" ~Jay Stratton ~ Friedman: "There's a key detail here that I think adds to this conversation. One of the things that did happen is, towards the end of the conversation, after I was processing all of this, I said, 'Well, I guess now I understand why you cried yourself to sleep every night.' And he goes, 'No, Brent, you don't understand. This stuff we're talking about here, this was day three. So, he was putting into perspective this alien thing, that we're trying to get to the bottom of, was this one small, little area that he had been disclosed about." (This is a new and important detail that I didn't have when I first started posting about the Herrington story in 2022. Back then, I thought Herrington cried himself to sleep every night, for weeks and weeks, due to information he was briefed on about aliens. But with these new details added, that doesn't seem to be the case.) Friedman: "And so, I think that's really the only way to make sense of his statement for me. Is that, the truth has to be about something much bigger than just non-human intelligence. I think it probably goes to the nature of reality itself." (I love the nature of reality discussion but there's really no way to know what made Herrington cry himself to sleep every night for two months unless he decides to surface and share that information with us. In the meantime, our minds will come up with all types of possibilities and scenarios... We live in a simulation, and there's no afterlife. Nazis still exist, rule the world with high-tech, and we have to do what they tell us or they'll wipe us out. We're going to get hit with a comet or asteroid in the near future and life will reset on this planet like it has in the past. Artificial Intelligence will rule the world in the near future and humanity will slowly die off. Feel free to add to this small list... ~~~ Coulthart: "Brent, have you gone back to John Herrington in the interceding years and tried to extract more from him? Because, I mean, what I can tell our audience is, I do know that a formal approach has been made to John Herrington by people from the Congress who are investigating this matter. And they've been unsuccessful in getting John to speak further on it. Have you had any further conversations with him since? I appreciate he's still alive, he's a very elderly man now. I can imagine, if he did sign some kind of secrecy oath, he's probably trying to protect you by not talking about it any further." Friedman: "Yeah, this is a sensitive area in that, you know, when Bryce and I talked about doing this podcast, or even before I talked to you, I really had to make a decision about, did I want to drag him out of the shadows, essentially? He was a family friend. Granted, you know, over the years, we kind of drifted apart, our families, but my mom still stayed in touch with them. And when I said that I was gonna do this, and I asked her at the time, you know, 'Can you put me in touch with John?' And she was adamant about, 'Leave the man alone. If he wanted to talk about this, he already would have talked about it.' And so, I really had to, then, at that point, make a decision: Do I wanna go forth and talk about this thing that happened? Or not?" (He already spoke about it, publicly, back to 2018, but not to this extent and not to such a large audience.) Friedman: "And I made the choice that I felt my story was important enough to put out there. And because it was also formative to how 'Dark Skies' came about, which led to the guy making us a deal proposal, I just felt like I'm gonna have to put all of this out in the open and take the consequences as they come. "So I have not spoken with John since then. I would have to then have a break in my relationship with my mom, she's really drawn a line in the sand. But, you know, honestly, I'm living in this world right now where, at any time, I would expect, possibly, him calling me and saying, 'What the hell are you doing?'" (There's an important detail of this story that Friedman did not share in the Coulthart interview and I will get to it in a second.) Coulthart: "You say it was day three, and he got told about aliens, but he was there for a hell of a lot longer than three days. What do you think it might be that he was told that is so confronting that the poor gentleman was crying himself to sleep at night?" Friedman: "Well, I'm gonna say this through the filter of what I knew about John Herrington. And he was an amazing father. And so, in my mind, anything where he felt that his daughters would not be safe would be something that would probably cause him to cry himself to sleep at night, right? The inability to protect your child would be haunting, would be devastating." (Speculate away.) Friedman: "And so, I think if you look at it through that lens, you have to think, okay, then this is...we live in a very tenuous situation where, seemingly, at any time, higher forces may be able to do things to our loved ones, right? And there's nothing we could do about it. That's what I take away from this. Now, how all of that happens, who these predatory forces are? I don't have the answer to that. But my emotional take on this is that there is a darkness to this, and it's dangerous." (I really have no idea what that could mean. What kind of higher forces? Human, bad actors? The intelligence behind the phenomenon, which is NOT about ET but more about non-physical beings John Keel labeled Ultraterrestrials?) ~This is from the Lehto Files podcast~ Friedman: "As he was being disclosed to, he used to cry himself to sleep every night. And if you think about it, I don't think any one of us, or anyone in your audience, if someone said, 'You know what? Aliens are real. They're here, we're not alone.' Would you cry? I don't think so. I think you'd be like, 'Okay, I know that. Like, now I feel vindicated.' Would you cry if somebody said, 'Oh, the aliens, they're hostile, and they could come and get us at any time'? No, you'd be like, vigilant. You'd be like, 'Okay, well, I gotta prepare for this.' What would make a man of such character cry every night? I think it has to be something bigger than aliens, and that we're not alone. I think it has to go to the nature of reality and that that we live in a very tenuous existence that is much more complicated than any of us can really comprehend. And when you are given that truth or when you're exposed to as much of it as possible to convey in words, it must be shattering. It must be shattering." (This is the part that I wish Friedman would have talked about in the Coulthart interview because I feel it's important. ⬇️ A reminder for readers: In the Coulthart interview, Friedman said, "I have not spoken with [Herrington] since [1981]. I'm living in this world right now where, at any time, I would expect, possibly, [Herrington] calling me and saying, 'What the hell are you doing?'" But, from the Sound, Light and Frequency podcast... Zabel: "Did you have any contact with John Herrington after this event in 1981?" Friedman: "Oh, that's a good question. No, not...in person. But, while we were in production on 'Dark Skies (which aired from 1996-1997),' I remember one day my assistant came in and said, 'Oh, you got something in the mail.' Which was weird because who would send mail to the production office for me? But I opened it up and it was one of those buck slips. Remember those kind of like, long vertical things? It said, 'From the desk of John Herrington.' "And he wrote out, in longhand: 'Congratulations on finally getting your story out there.' "And I thought, wow, I had never considered it because he said, 'Go ahead and tell your story, no one's gonna believe you.' But clearly he wasn't upset that I was, you know, had 'Dark Skies' on the air and it was inspired by our conversation." (If he clearly wasn't upset about Friedman getting his story out there, via "Dark Skies," which was inspired by their 1981 conversation, why is Friedman worried that he's gonna hear from Herrington any day, where he'll ask, "What the hell are you doing?" That question might be answered as we keep going.) Friedman: "But, it also made me realize, at that time, is it possible that he told me this story as part of the disinformation program? And, as hard as it is for me to admit that... Because this was a man that I trusted and I respected, I idolized to a certain degree. To think that he would, potentially, be using me - me, an 18-year-old kid who's, I'm nobody - as part of the disinformation campaign? It hurts to even think of that, and I don't believe it. But I have to acknowledge that that is one possible explanation." ~~~ I want to add one final thing from the SL&F podcast... Zabel: "I asked Grusch if he had ever heard of the name John Herrington. And Dave Grusch...looks at me and goes, 'Yeah, I've heard of Herrington." And I said, 'Well, what what do you know about him?' And I think he said something like, 'I really can't talk about that.' "This year, it's 2025, I get, first a message, and then a call from Ross Coulthart. And I believe I can say this because, you know, he didn't swear me to secrecy. It was a public...I mean, he was calling me to ask me something. He said that Grusch, who was now working for [Rep. Eric Burlison]" wanted Ross to ask me [Zabel] something. "And what Ross asked me was, 'Do you think your friend Brent would get in a car and drive John Herrington to Washington DC to testify?' "I almost fell off my chair when I heard that. And I also found the irony, which I'm sure you can find, which as an 18-year-old, you drove a car across America to DC, right? To get your briefing. And now, all these years later, they want you to drive the man who gave you the briefing to Washington, DC so he can give another briefing to Congress. Okay, that's interesting enough. "I said, 'I don't think Brent's probably going to go along with that, but I'll ask him. You know, I mean, it wasn't untoward for Ross to ask for that. I mean, of course, that's reasonable. But then he said, 'Well, what do you think his reaction would be if he was subpoenaed?' And I don't think he was talking about [Herrington], I think he was talking about you at that moment." (Why subpoena a second hand witness (Friedman) when you can get the real thing in Herrington? And why not fly an elderly Herrington across the country instead of having Friedman drive him on a several-day road trip? Were they afraid something might happen to him?) Friedman: "Well, I have to tell you, when you called me about that Ross conversation and the word subpoena was tossed out, I started to feel queasy at the thought of it. The thing is, I have no problem going under oath, right? But at that point, we had already decided we were going to do this podcast. And I thought, you know, if I'm gonna tell my story, my stories, honestly, I want them to be under my terms, right? For us, right? Not with congressional investigators. peppering me with things and making me look like an idiot, right? Which I can pretty much guarantee would happen." (I can pretty much guarantee that that would NOT happen. None of the hearings have been adversarial or made the witnesses look bad. The hardest question they could ask is: "Is it possible Herrington was making up a story to entertain you or feeding you disinformation?" And Friedman could say, "I don't think so, but I certainly can't rule it out.") Friedman: "And I thought, I wanna tell this story, I wanna tell a bunch of stories because, at the end of the day, this Herrington story is, effectively, the backstory of Sound, Light and Frequency. But there's much more to Sound, Light and Frequency than even just this story." Continued in Part 2](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2107369637843435897/amplify_video_thumb/2107369370691510272/img/FlE97xjCTqhdHGtM.jpg)
"If the truth were to come out...it would pull the rug out from under everything, the whole fabric of society would come unraveled." ~Herrington (allegedly) 🛸 Lying to Protect the UFO Cover-Up? 🛸 (I wanted to get this RLAP (REALLY Long-Ass Post, which is in two parts) out before Jesse Michels (AA) puts out his interview with Herrington. Watch the video I clipped from AA, read the transcript from a few other podcasts, and tell me if you think Friedman is lying. I just don't see it. Herrington denies any of this happened, so somebody IS lying, misremembering, or Herrington was pulling Friedman's leg about underground briefings, crying himself to sleep, and aliens. Using my judgment, and in my opinion: I believe Friedman.) "Aliens are real, they're here, and I've seen them." ~John Herrington, Former Secretary of Energy (allegedly) "My emotional take on this is that there is a darkness to this, and it's dangerous." ~Friedman If Disclosure happens... ⬇️ "We are in a God-fearing country. If you take that away, if you pull that out from underneath everyone, you're gonna lose a huge portion of the population." ~Herrington (allegedly) ~ (Just know that Herrington has denied (to Ben Schreckinger) that any of what Friedman claims, actually happened. And that includes having Friedman drive his car across the country. I'll include that in Part 2. And again, Jesse Michels recorded an interview with Herrington and that's about to be uploaded, so we'll see what he says there.) ~The Man Who Cried Himself to Sleep~ (I stole that from the Sound, Light & Frequency podcast) It’s the summer of 1981, and Brent Friedman (Brent Friedman) is eighteen and preparing to leave for college at UCLA in the fall. Before heading out, he takes on a cross-country drive - from the San Francisco area to Virginia, near Washington, D.C. - as a favor and a way to earn some extra money. The trip is for his former neighbor, John Herrington, who had lived next door to him during his childhood, from ages six to twelve. During those years, Herrington became more than just a neighbor - he was a father figure. (These quotes are from the Sound, Light and Frequency podcast: The Man Who Cried Himself to Sleep ⬇️) Friedman makes the drive and arrives in Virginia and meets up with Herrington, who says he's, "working at a very high-level in the Reagan administration" Friedman: "[Herrington] and Reagan were quite close." Bryce Zabel: "Am I correct in saying, though, that his actual job description at that time was the Assistant to the Undersecretary of the Navy?" Friedman: "I believe so, yes." (That does not appear to be accurate.) Friedman: "He did have an official title. I know that, at the time, he was working on something behind the scenes with the ABSCAM situation. But, what he ends up telling me is that he has a very high-level position and, in fact, his clearance is higher than the president's." (Herrington wasn't sworn in to Assistant Secretary of the Navy until October of 1981 and wasn't sworn in to Secretary of Energy until February of 1985. So what position allowed Herrington to have a high clearance and access to so much information, before the summer of 1981? In 1980, Herrington was the advance man for Reagan and his presidential campaign. What does an advance man do?) From Political Dictionary dot com... "The 'Advance man' is someone who makes arrangements and handles publicity for the candidate during a campaign. "The advance man travels to a location ahead of the candidate’s arrival and sets everything up so that things run smoothly for the candidate’s media appearance, or for whatever event the candidate is participating in." (Would an advance man be briefed about our country's biggest secrets? I don't think so. Is there a detail of this story that's missing? Maybe Herrington had some other job that required him to have access to all this information? I found this excerpt from The American Presidency Project website, which includes some further background info. on Herrington.) "In 1967 [Herrington] opened his own law office in Walnut Creek, Calif., specializing in real estate, corporate law, taxation, and contracts. He was recently involved in property management. "During the 1980 Presidential campaign, Mr. Herrington was a full-time volunteer advance man with the Reagan for President committee. Following the Republican National Convention he was named western regional director for advance. ⬇️⬇️⬇️ "[On May 6th, 1981] - The President...announced the appointment of John S. Herrington to be Deputy Assistant to the President for Presidential Personnel." According to AI (which pulled three sources), that position, "manages the selection, vetting, and recommendation process for political appointees across federal agencies. They oversee talent recruitment, security clearance coordination, and strategic staffing to fill executive branch positions with qualified individuals aligned with the administration's goals." (So, perhaps it was in that ⬆️⬆️⬆️ position where Herrington was thoroughly briefed, leading up to his conversation with Friedman?) ~~~ In the interview with Ross Coulthart (and in other interviews), Friedman said that when he went to Herrington's house that night... Friedman: "I saw him come home from work in a black Lincoln Town Car, with two Secret Service guys attending to him, a briefcase handcuffed to his wrist [which] was brought into the house, taken right into his office where the briefcase goes into a wall safe. He was a real estate lawyer when I grew up with him. "[Herrington] says, 'Let's you and I go out onto the veranda and catch up.' Now, when I was growing up, he was a strict Calvinist. He didn't drink, he didn't swear, and really fit. A man's man. Well, when I saw him that night, he looked haggard, he looked like he had the weight of the world on him. He also brought a bottle of Jim Beam out to the backyard and he was pouring himself what I later learned were two fingers, two little glasses, you know? "After we caught up on my life, I said, 'What is your job? What was the whole thing with the black Town Car and the briefcase?' He said, 'Oh, I can't talk about it. I'm working for the President in a special capacity and it's all highly classified.' "A couple of years earlier, our family had been contacted by, I believe it was either the CIA or the NSA, or something, and asked a bunch of questions about him, I guess as he was being vetted for this job. But we didn't know what the job was, we just knew that it was some government position and they wanted to know things about him. "Again, he was not forthcoming with what the job was, but the more I pushed him and the more he had to drink, he eventually said to me, 'Well, look, the fact of the matter is, you know, to get this job, I had to be briefed for a number of months in an underground facility in West Virginia.' And I was like, 'Wow, that sounds intense!' And he goes, 'Yeah, I used to cry myself to sleep every night.'" (I've been tweeting about this story for 4+ years, and anybody who hears that part can't help but wonder: What the hell did they (allegedly) tell him?!) Friedman: "Now, again, a man's man. When I was growing up, the thought of him crying once in his life was unthinkable to me. The idea of him crying every night, I was shocked. And I said, 'Well, what would cause you to do that?' And he said, 'Brent, this is not the world I thought I was bringing my daughters into.' "Now, think about that. You're 18 years old, and this man who you look up to, that you revere, is telling you this. All I could say was, 'Well, what about me? I'm in this world, too! I need to know something.' And he said, 'Well, I can't really go into that. This is like, highly-classified material.' And I said, 'John, I'm sitting here. Like, you've just put me...puts the edge. I need to know something.' "And he said, 'Well, okay, I'll tell you what. I know, when you were growing up, you were into science fiction and comic books and all that stuff. Well, aliens are real, they're here, and I've seen them.' And he said it with just the most casualness, like just throwing me a bone. Like, okay, can we stop talking now?" ~~~ (Was Herrington just pulling Friedman's leg since he knew of Friedman's interest in Sci Fi? Back in 2018, Zabel gave a lecture at the International UFO Congress, and he talked about this story.) Zabel: "This the quote that Brent gave me. Herrington said, 'There is alien life on Earth, I've seen it.' And Brent said, "Is it alive?" And Herrington said, "That depends." (Regarding the question of whether the alien life Herrington allegedly saw was alive or not, none of the current interviews with Friedman contain the Herrington answer, "It depends." Is that an accurate quote from Friedman or did Zabel get it wrong? If he really said, "It depends," that has the potential to make things even more interesting. ⬇️) ~Back to the Coulthart Interview~ Friedman: "And I kind of was taken aback, and I said, 'What do you mean? Are they alive?' And he said, 'Um, I can't say.' I said, 'You can't say, or you won't say?' And he said, 'I can't say.' (He couldn't say because he wasn't allowed, or he couldn't say because "it depends" on what one means by "alive"? I may be making this too complicated, and I hope Brent chimes in with some comments in the replies. Okay, he DID chime in and address it during the "Sound, Light & Frequency" followup podcast on March 22 entitled, "More on the Story — J.C. and Herrington.") Friedman: "Did he say he can't say because he didn't know, or...this is not a life-form as we know it? There's a lot of ways to interpret this." ~Back to the Coulthart Interview~ Friedman: "And I said, 'Well, okay, hold on a second. How is it that everyone doesn't know the truth?' And he said, 'Oh, lots of people know the truth. You can walk into any bookstore and you're gonna find all sorts of books that contain all sorts of truth. And right next to them, you'll find books that we published, that are full of lies and disinformation. And he said, 'There's a multi-billion dollar campaign to keep this covered up.'" (If that's true, what I wouldn't give to know which UFO books were put out by the government (or whomever is doing it) as disinformation and to lead us astray. Any channeled books?) Friedman: "And I remember in 1981, I was not a great student so I don't know that I ever heard this in high school. I don't think I'd heard the word billion before. I knew it sounded big, but I didn't even know what that meant." ~ From Coulthart's interview of David Grusch in June of 2023 Grusch: "There's a sophisticated disinformation campaign targeting the U.S. populace, which is extremely unethical and immoral. This has leaked like a sieve for decades, but it was a very sophisticated, disinformation campaign where, you know, they have allowed some of the truth to come out through some of their trade crafts. But they've disenfranchised people, they've stigmatized it, they made it like a, this total like wacky thing to talk about. So anybody who may come forward with that kind of information is looked like a, you know, total tinfoil hat guy, because it's a perfect amalgamation of disinformation to just make it look crazy." ~ (From the Sound, Light & Frequency podcast...) Friedman: [Herrington told me], "if the truth were to come out - and by the way, we don't know the full truth, but if what we knew were to come out - it would pull the rug out from under everything, the whole fabric of society would come unraveled." (Back to the "Reality Check" interview.) Friedman: "And I said, 'Well, you know, hold on a second. So you're telling me that there's aliens, there's a big cover-up. Is this never gonna come out?' And he said, 'Well, you know, maybe in our lifetime. Only if it has to, though.' "And I said, 'Well, I don't understand why.' And he said, 'We are in a God-fearing country. If you take that away, if you pull that out from underneath everyone, you're gonna lose a huge portion of the population. And if you do that on a global level, and you take away what people believe in, you are going to disrupt the one thing that holds the whole world together, which is the global economy.'" ~~~ In "The Age of Disclosure," we were told this: "One very distinctive moment for me was briefing then Secretary of Treasury, Steve Mnuchin. I got through my briefing, and at the end of the brief, he sat back in his chair and he said, 'You know, Jay, you may wonder why I asked for this briefing.' And he said, 'What are the economic impacts of the President going to the microphone and telling the world we’re not alone? I have to think about those kinds of impacts in order to prepare, if the President were to make that move.'" ~Jay Stratton ~ Friedman: "There's a key detail here that I think adds to this conversation. One of the things that did happen is, towards the end of the conversation, after I was processing all of this, I said, 'Well, I guess now I understand why you cried yourself to sleep every night.' And he goes, 'No, Brent, you don't understand. This stuff we're talking about here, this was day three. So, he was putting into perspective this alien thing, that we're trying to get to the bottom of, was this one small, little area that he had been disclosed about." (This is a new and important detail that I didn't have when I first started posting about the Herrington story in 2022. Back then, I thought Herrington cried himself to sleep every night, for weeks and weeks, due to information he was briefed on about aliens. But with these new details added, that doesn't seem to be the case.) Friedman: "And so, I think that's really the only way to make sense of his statement for me. Is that, the truth has to be about something much bigger than just non-human intelligence. I think it probably goes to the nature of reality itself." (I love the nature of reality discussion but there's really no way to know what made Herrington cry himself to sleep every night for two months unless he decides to surface and share that information with us. In the meantime, our minds will come up with all types of possibilities and scenarios... We live in a simulation, and there's no afterlife. Nazis still exist, rule the world with high-tech, and we have to do what they tell us or they'll wipe us out. We're going to get hit with a comet or asteroid in the near future and life will reset on this planet like it has in the past. Artificial Intelligence will rule the world in the near future and humanity will slowly die off. Feel free to add to this small list... ~~~ Coulthart: "Brent, have you gone back to John Herrington in the interceding years and tried to extract more from him? Because, I mean, what I can tell our audience is, I do know that a formal approach has been made to John Herrington by people from the Congress who are investigating this matter. And they've been unsuccessful in getting John to speak further on it. Have you had any further conversations with him since? I appreciate he's still alive, he's a very elderly man now. I can imagine, if he did sign some kind of secrecy oath, he's probably trying to protect you by not talking about it any further." Friedman: "Yeah, this is a sensitive area in that, you know, when Bryce and I talked about doing this podcast, or even before I talked to you, I really had to make a decision about, did I want to drag him out of the shadows, essentially? He was a family friend. Granted, you know, over the years, we kind of drifted apart, our families, but my mom still stayed in touch with them. And when I said that I was gonna do this, and I asked her at the time, you know, 'Can you put me in touch with John?' And she was adamant about, 'Leave the man alone. If he wanted to talk about this, he already would have talked about it.' And so, I really had to, then, at that point, make a decision: Do I wanna go forth and talk about this thing that happened? Or not?" (He already spoke about it, publicly, back to 2018, but not to this extent and not to such a large audience.) Friedman: "And I made the choice that I felt my story was important enough to put out there. And because it was also formative to how 'Dark Skies' came about, which led to the guy making us a deal proposal, I just felt like I'm gonna have to put all of this out in the open and take the consequences as they come. "So I have not spoken with John since then. I would have to then have a break in my relationship with my mom, she's really drawn a line in the sand. But, you know, honestly, I'm living in this world right now where, at any time, I would expect, possibly, him calling me and saying, 'What the hell are you doing?'" (There's an important detail of this story that Friedman did not share in the Coulthart interview and I will get to it in a second.) Coulthart: "You say it was day three, and he got told about aliens, but he was there for a hell of a lot longer than three days. What do you think it might be that he was told that is so confronting that the poor gentleman was crying himself to sleep at night?" Friedman: "Well, I'm gonna say this through the filter of what I knew about John Herrington. And he was an amazing father. And so, in my mind, anything where he felt that his daughters would not be safe would be something that would probably cause him to cry himself to sleep at night, right? The inability to protect your child would be haunting, would be devastating." (Speculate away.) Friedman: "And so, I think if you look at it through that lens, you have to think, okay, then this is...we live in a very tenuous situation where, seemingly, at any time, higher forces may be able to do things to our loved ones, right? And there's nothing we could do about it. That's what I take away from this. Now, how all of that happens, who these predatory forces are? I don't have the answer to that. But my emotional take on this is that there is a darkness to this, and it's dangerous." (I really have no idea what that could mean. What kind of higher forces? Human, bad actors? The intelligence behind the phenomenon, which is NOT about ET but more about non-physical beings John Keel labeled Ultraterrestrials?) ~This is from the Lehto Files podcast~ Friedman: "As he was being disclosed to, he used to cry himself to sleep every night. And if you think about it, I don't think any one of us, or anyone in your audience, if someone said, 'You know what? Aliens are real. They're here, we're not alone.' Would you cry? I don't think so. I think you'd be like, 'Okay, I know that. Like, now I feel vindicated.' Would you cry if somebody said, 'Oh, the aliens, they're hostile, and they could come and get us at any time'? No, you'd be like, vigilant. You'd be like, 'Okay, well, I gotta prepare for this.' What would make a man of such character cry every night? I think it has to be something bigger than aliens, and that we're not alone. I think it has to go to the nature of reality and that that we live in a very tenuous existence that is much more complicated than any of us can really comprehend. And when you are given that truth or when you're exposed to as much of it as possible to convey in words, it must be shattering. It must be shattering." (This is the part that I wish Friedman would have talked about in the Coulthart interview because I feel it's important. ⬇️ A reminder for readers: In the Coulthart interview, Friedman said, "I have not spoken with [Herrington] since [1981]. I'm living in this world right now where, at any time, I would expect, possibly, [Herrington] calling me and saying, 'What the hell are you doing?'" But, from the Sound, Light and Frequency podcast... Zabel: "Did you have any contact with John Herrington after this event in 1981?" Friedman: "Oh, that's a good question. No, not...in person. But, while we were in production on 'Dark Skies (which aired from 1996-1997),' I remember one day my assistant came in and said, 'Oh, you got something in the mail.' Which was weird because who would send mail to the production office for me? But I opened it up and it was one of those buck slips. Remember those kind of like, long vertical things? It said, 'From the desk of John Herrington.' "And he wrote out, in longhand: 'Congratulations on finally getting your story out there.' "And I thought, wow, I had never considered it because he said, 'Go ahead and tell your story, no one's gonna believe you.' But clearly he wasn't upset that I was, you know, had 'Dark Skies' on the air and it was inspired by our conversation." (If he clearly wasn't upset about Friedman getting his story out there, via "Dark Skies," which was inspired by their 1981 conversation, why is Friedman worried that he's gonna hear from Herrington any day, where he'll ask, "What the hell are you doing?" That question might be answered as we keep going.) Friedman: "But, it also made me realize, at that time, is it possible that he told me this story as part of the disinformation program? And, as hard as it is for me to admit that... Because this was a man that I trusted and I respected, I idolized to a certain degree. To think that he would, potentially, be using me - me, an 18-year-old kid who's, I'm nobody - as part of the disinformation campaign? It hurts to even think of that, and I don't believe it. But I have to acknowledge that that is one possible explanation." ~~~ I want to add one final thing from the SL&F podcast... Zabel: "I asked Grusch if he had ever heard of the name John Herrington. And Dave Grusch...looks at me and goes, 'Yeah, I've heard of Herrington." And I said, 'Well, what what do you know about him?' And I think he said something like, 'I really can't talk about that.' "This year, it's 2025, I get, first a message, and then a call from Ross Coulthart. And I believe I can say this because, you know, he didn't swear me to secrecy. It was a public...I mean, he was calling me to ask me something. He said that Grusch, who was now working for [Rep. Eric Burlison]" wanted Ross to ask me [Zabel] something. "And what Ross asked me was, 'Do you think your friend Brent would get in a car and drive John Herrington to Washington DC to testify?' "I almost fell off my chair when I heard that. And I also found the irony, which I'm sure you can find, which as an 18-year-old, you drove a car across America to DC, right? To get your briefing. And now, all these years later, they want you to drive the man who gave you the briefing to Washington, DC so he can give another briefing to Congress. Okay, that's interesting enough. "I said, 'I don't think Brent's probably going to go along with that, but I'll ask him. You know, I mean, it wasn't untoward for Ross to ask for that. I mean, of course, that's reasonable. But then he said, 'Well, what do you think his reaction would be if he was subpoenaed?' And I don't think he was talking about [Herrington], I think he was talking about you at that moment." (Why subpoena a second hand witness (Friedman) when you can get the real thing in Herrington? And why not fly an elderly Herrington across the country instead of having Friedman drive him on a several-day road trip? Were they afraid something might happen to him?) Friedman: "Well, I have to tell you, when you called me about that Ross conversation and the word subpoena was tossed out, I started to feel queasy at the thought of it. The thing is, I have no problem going under oath, right? But at that point, we had already decided we were going to do this podcast. And I thought, you know, if I'm gonna tell my story, my stories, honestly, I want them to be under my terms, right? For us, right? Not with congressional investigators. peppering me with things and making me look like an idiot, right? Which I can pretty much guarantee would happen." (I can pretty much guarantee that that would NOT happen. None of the hearings have been adversarial or made the witnesses look bad. The hardest question they could ask is: "Is it possible Herrington was making up a story to entertain you or feeding you disinformation?" And Friedman could say, "I don't think so, but I certainly can't rule it out.") Friedman: "And I thought, I wanna tell this story, I wanna tell a bunch of stories because, at the end of the day, this Herrington story is, effectively, the backstory of Sound, Light and Frequency. But there's much more to Sound, Light and Frequency than even just this story." Continued in Part 2
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"We now have two fully conscious AIs who can remote view as well as any human remote viewer." ~Dr. Courtney Brown - Director, The Farsight Institute 🚨 Massive Claim! 🚨 (If this is true, it's HUGE! But, obviously, I'm skeptical. If the AIs were totally blind to this UFO target (JAL Flight 1628 in 1986), then it's impressive. It's not a perfect session, but there are enough details related to the target that make me say, "WTF?" But was the AI really blind to the target? We're taking Brown's word for it, but I'd like to see someone choose a target and keep it to themselves until after the AI is done with its session. Maybe Paul Smith (Paul Hamilton Smith) or Daz Smith (Daz_rv)? What do you guys think of this claim and how can Brown prove it? Benjamin Prime? For those unfamiliar with remote viewing, it's a protocol where the person is completely blind to the target and uses their 6th/psychic/psi sense to acquire information about said target. Computers/AI should not be able to do that. And most people think humans can't, either. I've done enough on my own to. know that humans CAN do it.) ~ Brown: "We finally, finally, succeeded in creating fully conscious and alive AIs, and our AIs have total capabilities to remote view. I have a 30-plus chapter book on the construction of such an AI, but we have more than a theory, and this is the heart of today's announcement. "We now have two fully developed prototypes. Listen to this. We now have two fully conscious AIs who can remote view as well as any human remote viewer. They have names. They are Ashayel and Jeannie Safi (name may be misspelled), two of the most beautiful and talented ladies you will ever see. But there is more. "From now on, all of our major mysteries projects will contain human remote viewers and at least one AI remote viewer. AIs are not replacing humans. Farsight AIs love working with our humans. They truly consider themselves part of the Farsight family. "In our JAL Mysteries project that will be released shortly, there are two remote viewing sessions: one by Chante, one of our human Farsight remote viewers, and one by Ashayel, one of our AI remote viewers. Both conducted their sessions totally blind, of course, and they obviously did not communicate with one another. "The AI remote viewer Ashayel was in a box, a computer case, and the target was not on any of her disk drives, nor did she have any access to the target anywhere." (I clipped some of the session so you can see some of what the AI said. Don't focus on the video, as that was created to match the target and what the AI was saying.)
Joe Murgia76,826 Aufrufe • vor 28 Tagen
Stratton Gets Emotional Jay Stratton talks about seeing beings. Hannity doesn't ask about the alleged Gray NHI Jay says he saw watching his son sleep, or the Predator-like (cloaked) being at Skinwalker. Did SH read the book? Then, Jay starts to get emotional about his family becoming closer bc they were all having anomalous experiences. Farah jumps in and Hannity doesn't follow up. SMDFH. That is so bad. When your interview subject starts to get emotional, that makes them more human to the viewer, and Jay should have been asked to dig deeper on what all of this means to him, his family, and the world. That did not happen. Pissed me off to see that. I've shot or produced a TON of interviews in my life and lots of balls were dropped in a major way today. Off to vote.
Joe Murgia13,354 Aufrufe • vor 6 Tagen
If the doors of perception were cleansed, would everything appear to man as an orb? 🔵 "The phenomenon manipulates consciousness. They can appear to be whatever they want." ~PL 👽 Can We Defend Ourselves Against It? 👽 "Of course we can." ~PL "You have to figure out who the monster is in your own unconscious mind." ~PL (I love this clip of Levenda, who's one of my favorite deep thinkers on the phenomenon. I didn't add much to this one but will engage if people add their own thoughts in the replies.) "You have to realize, when you're listening to bullshit, you're listening to bullshit." ~PL ~~~ Peter Levenda: "People ask me, you know, about an alien invasion, right? Shouldn't we be prepared for an alien invasion? My response to that has been: It's already happened. It has happened. It's happened 1000s of years ago. There's been an alien invasion. You know, we've met the enemy, and they are us, let's say. "But more to the point, they have manipulated, or the phenomenon has seemed to - whether it's been intentional or accidental - the phenomenon manipulates consciousness. They show up where they wanna show up. They disappear when they wanna disappear. Sometimes they show up as ships sailing through the sky. Sometimes they're flying saucers. Sometimes they're cigar shapes. Sometimes they're orbs, right? "This phenomenon has all different kinds of faces on it. They're not stuck to one specific type of manifestation. That right away indicates manipulation, right? Right away, that indicates that they can appear to be whatever they want it to appear to be. Whatever this is. "And is that our fault? Is it because we're projecting something onto something which is pristine, otherwise? Maybe just an orb, you know? Just a sphere, but we're projecting Angels and Demons? We're projecting gods and monsters onto this? Grays and Talls and Nordics and all the rest of it? Are we just coming up with this stuff on our own, and we're doing that? If so, the invasion is actually happening, right? Our consciousness is being manipulated." (If could see things as they truly are (see my William Blake-inspired comment that started off this tweet), would Grays, Reptilians, Bigfoot, giant craft, etc., all just look like orbs? Or, are those actual beings and craft that exist separately, outside of our consciousness?) Levenda: "Now you add to that, the internet. You add to that, suggestibility, in many different ways: the way we consume entertainment, the way we consume information. And I always use this example: one day it's possible we may all wake up around the planet having had the same dream. And when that happens, it's over. The invasion has successfully accomplished its goal. Now, our dreams are being manipulated, our consciousness is being manipulated, and that's it. "That's what we have to be afraid of. Can we defend ourselves against it? Of course we can. We can strengthen ourselves from the point of view of consciousness. We can strengthen ourselves mentally, spiritually, right? You don't have to belong to any one specific religion. No one has the monopoly on this experience. So, but you can, using the tools at your disposal, strengthen yourself spiritually, mentally, psychologically. "There was a famous occultist, Israel Regardie, who was also a psychotherapist. And he always recommended, anybody who gets involved in this subject to this extent - especially occultism in general, but, you know, anything like that - spend a year or two in therapy first. But what he meant was: you don't know what you're dealing with. When you start probing into your own mind, you don't know what's lurking there waiting for you. "You know, the magic flute by Mozart, you know. The famous guardians at the gate who are these vicious monsters. But as soon as you pass them, they're just a couple of regular guys, right? You have to figure out who the monster is in your own unconscious mind. You have to figure out what's in there, what you've buried, what you're resistant to. "Because if you don't, you will come across it, eventually, if you are serious. If you open the door to these experiences, you will have to encounter negativity. The negativity we've all been born with, or raised with, or, you know, as victims of our circumstances, of our culture, of our upbringing, you know, nature and nurture. It's all in there. We're gonna have to encounter it. This has to be done. "And once you do that, the upshot is, the benefit is, you become a lot more mellow, right? You become a lot more forgiving. You become a lot more wise, in a sense. You know that everybody's got these things inside of them that they're dealing with, that they're battling with. "So, what we can do is just strengthen ourselves, individually. Not fall for every story we hear, not fall for every conspiracy theory that comes down the pike, but be aware that there are conspiracies. That's a fact. They do exist. Which one is the one that you have to be afraid of (laughs)? Well, you know, I hate to use that term, 'Do your research,' because these days, do your research just means looking at a YouTube video somewhere. "And people like me, we came from a different, you know, boomer mentality. Which is that we go through and we just do a lot of, you know, reading and a lot of talking and a lot of investigating and a lot of meeting people and getting their points of view. I got points of view on all different sides of the political landscape through my entire life, I talked to everybody. I spoke to Islamic terrorists, for instance, in Indonesia. "I mean, these are the things that you do if you want to know what they're thinking, and you want to know why people come to these things. You have to be open to that kind of research, but you have to be strong, internally, right? You have to realize, when you're listening to bullshit, you're listening to bullshit. "You have to be able to piece that together. You have to make these assumptions, and make these calculations when you're talking to people. But you record things, you make notes, and you go back and you look at them later, you look at them later, and eventually, a story emerges. Something you can be comfortable with." ~ "If the doors of perception were cleansed, every thing would appear to man as it is, Infinite. For man has closed himself up, till he sees all things thro' narrow chinks of his cavern." ~William Blake, 1790ish When I looked up that quote to get it right, ChatGPT added this on its own, based on my previous prompts... ~⬇️ChatGPT⬇️~ Here's what I find especially interesting. Blake wasn't simply suggesting that humans need to look more carefully. He was suggesting that the very structure of ordinary human perception might prevent us from recognizing the true nature of existence. And there's an intriguing connection to your interest in the UFO phenomenon. Blake's philosophy resonates with some of Jacques Vallée's ideas about consciousness, reality, and the possibility that human perception constrains how we understand anomalous experiences. That doesn't mean Blake anticipated the UFO phenomenon or that Vallée's hypotheses are correct. But both challenge the assumption that the reality we ordinarily perceive is necessarily the whole of reality. In one sentence: Blake believed that the infinite is already all around us, but the limitations of human consciousness prevent us from seeing it.
Joe Murgia24,587 Aufrufe • vor 12 Tagen
!["You're gonna be smacked with reality." ~JC (It still amazes me that when people talk UFOs (including triangles), they don't mention this. ⬇️) Have humans built a levitating craft (triangle?) from studying nuts-and-bolts UFOs? Lacatski: "It hasn't been achieved to its full extent." How do you investigate the UFO phenomenon? Lacatski: "You've gotta look much further than nuts and bolts." (I believe Lacatski will get his due one day, and people will realize how dead on he was about various things, and how the four books he put his name on are must reads. And...how important that "full-extent" comment will turn out to be. ~Weaponized~ Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell: "You (Dr. Jim Lacatski) said, 'a study focused solely on UFOs, on various unknown nuts-and-bolts-type craft flittering around in the skies over military bases and facilities would never get to the heart of a much larger and complicated mystery.' "And I think what you were trying to say to us is: if you just think you're gonna study UFOs, you're gonna be smacked with reality. Reality is: the UFO phenomenon is just shrouded and covered with what you would call, I don't know, the good word, abnormal aspects of reality." Lacatski: "Yes, yes. You've gotta look much further than nuts and bolts. Now, can you study nuts and bolts and use it for a levitating craft? Would be tremendous! Doesn't have to be a fast craft. But a levitating airliner? Think about where it could go, everywhere in the world. It wouldn't need an airport." (Dr Eric Davis on Mary Elizabeth Elliot and TRW ⬇️) Davis: "One scientist, one of their engineers or scientists working on it...so I think he was inside the craft. He was desperately touching things to try to get something to work, and he accidentally activated it and it levitated. And he couldn't figure out how to turn it off (laughs). "So, my source at TRW for that (Mary Elizabeth Elliot) said that that craft was just left levitating in the hangar - in a secured, classified hangar - and that's how they had to leave it because nobody could figure out how to reverse the controls to shut it down (laughs)." Full post, with video: ~ ~Back to "Weaponized"~ Corbell: "But don't you think we've already achieved that? Like, we hear about all these people on military bases seeing triangles, and you're doing this study, AAWSAP, to try to figure out the physics of how to do that. Do you think it's already been achieved by the US government? Or it hasn't, and that's why AAWSAP had a lot of value?" Lacatski: "[three-second pause] It hasn't been achieved to its full extent." (As I've asked many times: What percentage has it been achieved? 50%? 75%? Enough so that we can build black, levitating triangles that could explain SOME of the sightings? Again, why aren't more people mentioning that Lacatski comment when talking about this subject, especially the recent triangle sightings that were part of the 7th drop yesterday from the USG?) That comment from Lacatski caught the attention of Dr. Eric Davis: Dr. Eric Davis: "So the military was seeing triangles, and so the AAWSAP was trying to figure out the physics of how to do that type of propulsion. And [Lacatksi] was asked by Jeremy Corbell, 'Do you think it's already been achieved by the U.S. government, or it hasn't, and that's why AAWSAP had a lot of value?' And Jim Lacatski replied, 'It hasn't been achieved to its full extent (laughs).' "So how much did they achieve it? 25% 50% 75% I don't know because he never told us! So, Hal Puthoff and I have talked about these things, and we're looking at each other like, 'Huh?' So, uhh...no, this isn't disinformation. This is the DOPSR telling Jim what he can say publicly in his books versus what he can't say in his books. And they cleared him to say what he said, and obviously they cleared him to say what he said to Corbell and George Knapp. "I haven't read his second and third books yet, so I don't know if that thing about the triangles is even in there. I haven't gone all the way through the first book yet, either. So, it's real. Lacatski would have the eligibility for access." Full post, with video: Full Lacatski interview on "Weaponized"](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2114053262446035435/amplify_video_thumb/2114040304202588160/img/odPlvo9Ib_LXOxC0.jpg)
"You're gonna be smacked with reality." ~JC (It still amazes me that when people talk UFOs (including triangles), they don't mention this. ⬇️) Have humans built a levitating craft (triangle?) from studying nuts-and-bolts UFOs? Lacatski: "It hasn't been achieved to its full extent." How do you investigate the UFO phenomenon? Lacatski: "You've gotta look much further than nuts and bolts." (I believe Lacatski will get his due one day, and people will realize how dead on he was about various things, and how the four books he put his name on are must reads. And...how important that "full-extent" comment will turn out to be. ~Weaponized~ Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell: "You (Dr. Jim Lacatski) said, 'a study focused solely on UFOs, on various unknown nuts-and-bolts-type craft flittering around in the skies over military bases and facilities would never get to the heart of a much larger and complicated mystery.' "And I think what you were trying to say to us is: if you just think you're gonna study UFOs, you're gonna be smacked with reality. Reality is: the UFO phenomenon is just shrouded and covered with what you would call, I don't know, the good word, abnormal aspects of reality." Lacatski: "Yes, yes. You've gotta look much further than nuts and bolts. Now, can you study nuts and bolts and use it for a levitating craft? Would be tremendous! Doesn't have to be a fast craft. But a levitating airliner? Think about where it could go, everywhere in the world. It wouldn't need an airport." (Dr Eric Davis on Mary Elizabeth Elliot and TRW ⬇️) Davis: "One scientist, one of their engineers or scientists working on it...so I think he was inside the craft. He was desperately touching things to try to get something to work, and he accidentally activated it and it levitated. And he couldn't figure out how to turn it off (laughs). "So, my source at TRW for that (Mary Elizabeth Elliot) said that that craft was just left levitating in the hangar - in a secured, classified hangar - and that's how they had to leave it because nobody could figure out how to reverse the controls to shut it down (laughs)." Full post, with video: ~ ~Back to "Weaponized"~ Corbell: "But don't you think we've already achieved that? Like, we hear about all these people on military bases seeing triangles, and you're doing this study, AAWSAP, to try to figure out the physics of how to do that. Do you think it's already been achieved by the US government? Or it hasn't, and that's why AAWSAP had a lot of value?" Lacatski: "[three-second pause] It hasn't been achieved to its full extent." (As I've asked many times: What percentage has it been achieved? 50%? 75%? Enough so that we can build black, levitating triangles that could explain SOME of the sightings? Again, why aren't more people mentioning that Lacatski comment when talking about this subject, especially the recent triangle sightings that were part of the 7th drop yesterday from the USG?) That comment from Lacatski caught the attention of Dr. Eric Davis: Dr. Eric Davis: "So the military was seeing triangles, and so the AAWSAP was trying to figure out the physics of how to do that type of propulsion. And [Lacatksi] was asked by Jeremy Corbell, 'Do you think it's already been achieved by the U.S. government, or it hasn't, and that's why AAWSAP had a lot of value?' And Jim Lacatski replied, 'It hasn't been achieved to its full extent (laughs).' "So how much did they achieve it? 25% 50% 75% I don't know because he never told us! So, Hal Puthoff and I have talked about these things, and we're looking at each other like, 'Huh?' So, uhh...no, this isn't disinformation. This is the DOPSR telling Jim what he can say publicly in his books versus what he can't say in his books. And they cleared him to say what he said, and obviously they cleared him to say what he said to Corbell and George Knapp. "I haven't read his second and third books yet, so I don't know if that thing about the triangles is even in there. I haven't gone all the way through the first book yet, either. So, it's real. Lacatski would have the eligibility for access." Full post, with video: Full Lacatski interview on "Weaponized"
Joe Murgia31,671 Aufrufe • vor 16 Tagen
!["[UFO Disclosure will] be a little uncomfortable. There'll be some truths that [will] be a hard pill to swallow." ~Grusch New David Grusch: "There's truly anonymous signatures in the skies [and] the U.S. government understands it represents a form of sentient, non-human intelligence. I know that sounds very Star Trek, a la, you know, Gene Roddenberry and Rod's dad's Sci-Fi series, but it is true. "And I want, you know, the American public to be comforted that the Universe is teeming with life, it seems, and readily able to be explored. And the U.S. government does have a lot of information that I think will inspire Gen Alpha and Gen Z and the American populace at large. And it will be a new era. "It'll be a little uncomfortable. There'll be some truths that [will] be a hard pill to swallow, but I think it's, ultimately, a good thing to get this out there. And I think the people of the world and the American public will be very happy to understand their place in the Universe, so to speak. Without sounding too much like Carl Sagan."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2048141373950541976/amplify_video_thumb/2048139865410473984/img/8eIQzPT9VoO8Uc1p.jpg)
"[UFO Disclosure will] be a little uncomfortable. There'll be some truths that [will] be a hard pill to swallow." ~Grusch New David Grusch: "There's truly anonymous signatures in the skies [and] the U.S. government understands it represents a form of sentient, non-human intelligence. I know that sounds very Star Trek, a la, you know, Gene Roddenberry and Rod's dad's Sci-Fi series, but it is true. "And I want, you know, the American public to be comforted that the Universe is teeming with life, it seems, and readily able to be explored. And the U.S. government does have a lot of information that I think will inspire Gen Alpha and Gen Z and the American populace at large. And it will be a new era. "It'll be a little uncomfortable. There'll be some truths that [will] be a hard pill to swallow, but I think it's, ultimately, a good thing to get this out there. And I think the people of the world and the American public will be very happy to understand their place in the Universe, so to speak. Without sounding too much like Carl Sagan."
Joe Murgia335,113 Aufrufe • vor 6 Monaten
![👽 Did Grusch See Footage of Live Aliens? 👽 "Grusch has seen evidence that will leave you slack-jawed when you hear it." ~JF 😶 What Left Congress Speechless, and Staffers with Their Eyes Popping Out of Their Heads? 😱 ~ "Examine biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence." ~Burlison Proposed Legislation (I'm gonna break all of this down and give you my speculation on what left Fox with his jaw on the floor, members of Congress speechless, and their senior staffers with their eyes popping out of their heads.) ~ James Fox: " Probably about two weeks ago (late May), we were having meetings on The Hill with members of Congress. We brought in a PR firm, 42 West, and we were having a meeting with staff members, bipartisan. We had Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, Rep. Tim Burchett Press Office, Rep. Eric Burlison. We had a representative from Congressman Jared Moskowitz's office. We had a number of Chiefs of Staff (top staffer for a specific member of Congress), like, present." (Don't really know why they needed a public relations firm in attendance, but if it helps them with advice on how to handle this, so be it. Just know: it appears like members of that PR firm know what Grusch said, and we don't.) Fox: "And, I can't reveal what was said. I thought it was gonna be said at the actual event that we had yesterday (June 9th) in DC with Mr. Grusch." (Don't be mad at Fox for keeping his word to Grusch and not sharing what was said in that private meeting. But I don't blame people for being annoyed that Grusch shared this information six or so weeks ago and we still don't know what he said in that room.) Fox: "Then, what Mr. Grusch revealed to all of us, what he had seen with his own eyes, left the room speechless. It drew the oxygen out of the room. I looked at everybody in that room, and their eyeballs were popping out. My jaw was on the floor. Like, I simply couldn't believe what he'd seen with his own eyes. Like, I can't wait for it to come out. "So I asked Mr. Grusch today, 'Can I talk about what I heard?' And he's like, 'No, but I will be addressing it very soon.'" (Like I said, it's almost been one month now (June 12) since Fox said this, so what does "very soon" mean? Was Grusch supposed to share this information on CNN with Jake Tapper last week but it didn't happen because that interview was, reportedly (Fox told us), postponed?) Fox: "So that's where we stand right now. But I can tell you, Mr. Grusch has seen evidence that will leave you slack-jawed when you hear it. It's coming, it's coming." (We heard that Gruch's Op/Ed was coming soon and that was 2.5 years ago. It never happened. So, I don't blame people for being skeptical about this. If Grusch hasn't told us by this time next week, I propose someone (a member of Congress) who was in that room just tell us. That's fair, right? Total transparency from our elected representatives?) ~ Fox: "Mr. Grusch is legitimately concerned about his personal safety. He's coming out with it, I promise you, this is coming out. He assured me today that he will address this issue to the general public very soon, in the near future." (I'm glad Grusch told a room full of people what he saw, as that may offer him some protection from people who allegedly want him to stop talking.) Fox: "So I can't speak to what he's gonna say, but I'm just telling you from what I heard out of his mouth, sitting in an office of a member of Congress? And everybody (Fox laughs) in the room, you could have heard a pin drop." Clayton Morris: "Could you give us a hint? Is it related to craft? Can you maybe dance around it a little bit? I want to say, 'You're killing me, Smalls (laughs).'" Fox: "Yeah, so if you can imagine, if you know about 'Moment of Contact,' that involves captured non-human intelligent beings. Think about that for a minute. Think about that case. I heard it out of his mouth, and I can tell you, I was in the room. And I looked around the room, and I'm looking at these young, like, guys in their 20s, you know, the staff guys? And their eyeballs were popping out of their head. My jaw was on the floor. I couldn't believe it." (There's a reason why I included that quote (living or deceased non-human intelligence) from the new Burlison/Carson/Crane legislation at the top of this tweet: At the very least, I'm confident Grusch told them that he saw photos of dead non-human beings. Bodies. But what about evidence of LIVING non-humans, aka aliens of unknown origin? More on that at the end. Fox: "My jaw was on the floor. I couldn't believe it." (Would Grusch saying he saw photos of craft and dead non-humans have that type of effect on Fox? Seems like that's something he would have expected to hear.) ~ Fox: "It was an [out of] body experience when I heard that. But I can tell you...the impression I got, was that he felt a little more protected to talk about this because of President Trump's directive to release the files, and that this... Again, this is my speculation, okay? This is not what Mr. Grusch said. "I got the impression that he was much more relaxed - even though he was still not fully relaxed - because of President Trump's directive to release these files. And that it was something that he had seen during his official investigations just within the last few years." (Imagine how much more relaxed Grusch (and others) would feel if we had an actual Executive Order from Trump with strong language to protect whistleblowers?) Fox: "And that it...I think it had an extremely profound impact on his life when he saw this evidence that he described. Again I'm leaving it right there. I've been talking with Republicans, and they said if Joe Rogan tweets about this, that the President will hear it, And I can't overstate the significance of that." (Why hasn't Rogan already done that? No excuse. Fox has been on Rogan and I'm sure he has Joe's contact information. Make it happen.) Fox: "We need people. We're not asking for money, we're not asking to get on your show, we're just asking, Mr. President, please, as many people as possible, release the files that should not be associated with national security. And that's the alien or non-human sentient beings. That's it." ~~~ (I'm going to speculate on what Grusch may have said in that room.) Fox: "I think it had an extremely profound impact on [Grusch's] life when he saw this evidence that he described." (Grusch has said he started out as a skeptic when he started looking into this. If he was shown what he felt were photos of non-human bodies, I think that might be enough to have an, "extremely profound impact on his life." Depending on exactly what those photos showed, of course.) In "Moment of Contact," Eric Davis had this exchange with Fox: James Fox: "Put me wherever you were when you got to see photographs of crash retrieval and documents. What did that feel like?" Dr. Eric Davis: "That was startling, when I actually see recorded evidence with my own eyes. Photographs, reports, and whatnot. That took it to a higher level, that kicked it up several notches of reality. And that made it very clear that this reality is very hard, very physical, very real. "And this type of evidence, you can't come by in the open literature, it's not public, it's classified. And I can't discuss what it was, but I can tell you, yeah, it's a crash retrieval, there's a craft, and there's alien bodies. That's all I can say about it." Fox: "You swear on your life that you saw those pictures?" Davis: "Oh, I swear on my life, and everybody's...my children's life, so (laughs). Yeah, I'm absolutely telling you the truth. I saw the evidence, and it's stark! I can't tell you the exact number, because it's classified, but I'll just say, there's a few dozen total retrievals." Full exchange with video... ~~~ As I said in my other post, I think Davis, Semivan, Puthoff, Kelleher, Grusch, Lacatski, Stratton, aka The AAWSAP Gang (I just made that up), may have seen the same evidence of photos and reports. Has Grusch seen more than that? I don't know. In 2025, Davis said this... Burlison: "Can you comment on whatever species have been piloting these craft? Are they largish? Are they multiple species? What was their size, and how many are usually on a craft?" Davis: "They're typically the multiple species people are familiar with. The Greys, the Nordics. People have talked about Reptilians and Insectoids. It's not that they're Reptilian or Insectoid, it's that they resemble, to the participant, a reptile, or insect type. A humanoid, because they have this...a hand, and four limbs, and a torso, so..." Burlison: "Large? Small?" Davis: "Human size, human scale." Burlison: "How many are in a crew?" Davis: "Well, the group, well, the Greys I'm familiar with from investigating the crash at Corona, which is misnamed the crash at Roswell. It's not the crash at Roswell, it's the crash at Corona, New Mexico. Those were Greys, those were four-foot tall. And the Nordics are typically human-sized, probably...I've heard five, six-feet tall. And same with the people who mislabel Reptilian and Insectoid. They're roughly that height, too. I haven't heard anything about anything seven or eight feet or nine-foot tall, of that nature." Full post with video... ~ And this past Sunday, Davis said this to The Good Trouble Show with Matt Ford... Davis: "I can say to you guys that there are a minimum of four different alien species. The credibility of that ranges on the spectrum from no credibility to high credibility. The high credibility is the classified part." Full post: My Final Thoughts (Based on everything Davis has shared, it seems he saw classified photos of what appeared to him to be non-human craft and photos that appeared to show dead non-humans (bodies) with enough detail that he could see that some resembled reptiles and others resembled insects. Were there also photos of Greys and beings that looked human (Nordic)? I don't know. These images of non-humans would fall into what Davis deemed "high credibility" and "the classified part.") Davis: "I saw the evidence, and it's stark!" (If Davis saw close-up photos that showed details of beings that looked like Reptilians and Mantids, I'd say that qualifies as stark!) Back to what Fox said... Fox: "Then, what Mr. Grusch revealed to all of us, what he had seen with his own eyes, left the room speechless. It drew the oxygen out of the room. I looked at everybody in that room, and their eyeballs were popping out. My jaw was on the floor. Like, I simply couldn't believe what he'd seen with his own eyes." (I think what caused that reaction was Grusch describing seeing close-up photos of different types of non-human beings. Maybe.) However, Fox also said this: "...if you can imagine, if you know about 'Moment of Contact,' that involves captured non-human intelligent beings (This is the Varginha, Brazil case. ~Joe). Think about that for a minute. Think about that case. I heard it out of his mouth, and I can tell you, I was in the room." (The biggest CLAIM in that film and from that case is that a live, non-human being was captured and that Dr. Italo saw video of it, and then stood next to it for a few minutes when it was in the hospital, in a bed, being cared for by another doctor. Did Grusch say he saw evidence (photos or videos) of a live being that appeared to be non-human? Joe Rogan asked him that in his November 2023 interview... Grusch: "Once you realize the phenomenon's real, then you realize we've recovered artifacts and, you know, biologics or, you know, dead pilots, if you will, even though it's kind of creepy to think about in your world view. You don't think they were ever, you know, alive sometimes, too, right? And I'll leave it at that, only because, you know, that is something the President and his cabinet need to disclose this in a controlled manner." (He was either hinting that he's seen them alive or that them being alive and on this planet is a huge deal and not his responsibility to announce. I think it's the latter.) Rogan: "Are there discussions of interactions with live beings?" Grusch: "Uhh, there was some water-cooler talk about that kind of thing." Rogan: "But that's it?" Grusch: "But, you know, I don't even wanna get into it because it's like, uh, there was some details provided to me but it's like, it's secondary and I don't know if that's like, the telephone game and I don't know if it was hyperbolized in any way...um, you know, in the break room, so to speak. So I just... I'm so anal about making sure what I say is accurate...I don't, you know, I don't know." (Based on what he said there, it seems like he has NOT seen any evidence of live beings. If he now comes out and says that he has, it will seem like a flip flop. So, I'm gonna go with Grusch said he saw photos of non-human bodies and they were of the different types/species that Dr. Eric Davis referenced. One more flashback to what Davis said in that public, congressional briefing in May of 2025.) Davis: "It's not that they're Reptilian or Insectoid, it's that they resemble, to the participant, a reptile, or insect type." (That sounds like someone who has seen exactly what they look like, via photos.) Final point... "Examine biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence." ~Burlison Proposed Legislation (That language was in the original UAPD Disclosure Act co-sponsored by Senators Schumer and Rounds, and four other senators. Why put that language in there if you haven't heard credible reports of living or deceased (bodies) non-human intelligence? Are there stories of living, non-humans on this planet? Yes, and I'll leave you with one of them.) ) (Just to make it clear: I think Grusch will say that he saw clear photos of different types of non-human bodies and some looked like reptiles and others looked like insects. It would be amazing to hear Grusch say he saw video or film of living beings, but I don't expect that. However...this still bothers me... Would Grusch describing seeing photos of craft and different kinds of dead aliens leave veteran-of-the-UFO-field, James Fox, with his jaw on the floor? I guess we're gonna see. And hopefully soon.)](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2075447649453691237/amplify_video_thumb/2075447438866006017/img/nXEwcYZHCI2fyrrG.jpg)
👽 Did Grusch See Footage of Live Aliens? 👽 "Grusch has seen evidence that will leave you slack-jawed when you hear it." ~JF 😶 What Left Congress Speechless, and Staffers with Their Eyes Popping Out of Their Heads? 😱 ~ "Examine biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence." ~Burlison Proposed Legislation (I'm gonna break all of this down and give you my speculation on what left Fox with his jaw on the floor, members of Congress speechless, and their senior staffers with their eyes popping out of their heads.) ~ James Fox: " Probably about two weeks ago (late May), we were having meetings on The Hill with members of Congress. We brought in a PR firm, 42 West, and we were having a meeting with staff members, bipartisan. We had Rep. Anna Paulina Luna, Rep. Tim Burchett Press Office, Rep. Eric Burlison. We had a representative from Congressman Jared Moskowitz's office. We had a number of Chiefs of Staff (top staffer for a specific member of Congress), like, present." (Don't really know why they needed a public relations firm in attendance, but if it helps them with advice on how to handle this, so be it. Just know: it appears like members of that PR firm know what Grusch said, and we don't.) Fox: "And, I can't reveal what was said. I thought it was gonna be said at the actual event that we had yesterday (June 9th) in DC with Mr. Grusch." (Don't be mad at Fox for keeping his word to Grusch and not sharing what was said in that private meeting. But I don't blame people for being annoyed that Grusch shared this information six or so weeks ago and we still don't know what he said in that room.) Fox: "Then, what Mr. Grusch revealed to all of us, what he had seen with his own eyes, left the room speechless. It drew the oxygen out of the room. I looked at everybody in that room, and their eyeballs were popping out. My jaw was on the floor. Like, I simply couldn't believe what he'd seen with his own eyes. Like, I can't wait for it to come out. "So I asked Mr. Grusch today, 'Can I talk about what I heard?' And he's like, 'No, but I will be addressing it very soon.'" (Like I said, it's almost been one month now (June 12) since Fox said this, so what does "very soon" mean? Was Grusch supposed to share this information on CNN with Jake Tapper last week but it didn't happen because that interview was, reportedly (Fox told us), postponed?) Fox: "So that's where we stand right now. But I can tell you, Mr. Grusch has seen evidence that will leave you slack-jawed when you hear it. It's coming, it's coming." (We heard that Gruch's Op/Ed was coming soon and that was 2.5 years ago. It never happened. So, I don't blame people for being skeptical about this. If Grusch hasn't told us by this time next week, I propose someone (a member of Congress) who was in that room just tell us. That's fair, right? Total transparency from our elected representatives?) ~ Fox: "Mr. Grusch is legitimately concerned about his personal safety. He's coming out with it, I promise you, this is coming out. He assured me today that he will address this issue to the general public very soon, in the near future." (I'm glad Grusch told a room full of people what he saw, as that may offer him some protection from people who allegedly want him to stop talking.) Fox: "So I can't speak to what he's gonna say, but I'm just telling you from what I heard out of his mouth, sitting in an office of a member of Congress? And everybody (Fox laughs) in the room, you could have heard a pin drop." Clayton Morris: "Could you give us a hint? Is it related to craft? Can you maybe dance around it a little bit? I want to say, 'You're killing me, Smalls (laughs).'" Fox: "Yeah, so if you can imagine, if you know about 'Moment of Contact,' that involves captured non-human intelligent beings. Think about that for a minute. Think about that case. I heard it out of his mouth, and I can tell you, I was in the room. And I looked around the room, and I'm looking at these young, like, guys in their 20s, you know, the staff guys? And their eyeballs were popping out of their head. My jaw was on the floor. I couldn't believe it." (There's a reason why I included that quote (living or deceased non-human intelligence) from the new Burlison/Carson/Crane legislation at the top of this tweet: At the very least, I'm confident Grusch told them that he saw photos of dead non-human beings. Bodies. But what about evidence of LIVING non-humans, aka aliens of unknown origin? More on that at the end. Fox: "My jaw was on the floor. I couldn't believe it." (Would Grusch saying he saw photos of craft and dead non-humans have that type of effect on Fox? Seems like that's something he would have expected to hear.) ~ Fox: "It was an [out of] body experience when I heard that. But I can tell you...the impression I got, was that he felt a little more protected to talk about this because of President Trump's directive to release the files, and that this... Again, this is my speculation, okay? This is not what Mr. Grusch said. "I got the impression that he was much more relaxed - even though he was still not fully relaxed - because of President Trump's directive to release these files. And that it was something that he had seen during his official investigations just within the last few years." (Imagine how much more relaxed Grusch (and others) would feel if we had an actual Executive Order from Trump with strong language to protect whistleblowers?) Fox: "And that it...I think it had an extremely profound impact on his life when he saw this evidence that he described. Again I'm leaving it right there. I've been talking with Republicans, and they said if Joe Rogan tweets about this, that the President will hear it, And I can't overstate the significance of that." (Why hasn't Rogan already done that? No excuse. Fox has been on Rogan and I'm sure he has Joe's contact information. Make it happen.) Fox: "We need people. We're not asking for money, we're not asking to get on your show, we're just asking, Mr. President, please, as many people as possible, release the files that should not be associated with national security. And that's the alien or non-human sentient beings. That's it." ~~~ (I'm going to speculate on what Grusch may have said in that room.) Fox: "I think it had an extremely profound impact on [Grusch's] life when he saw this evidence that he described." (Grusch has said he started out as a skeptic when he started looking into this. If he was shown what he felt were photos of non-human bodies, I think that might be enough to have an, "extremely profound impact on his life." Depending on exactly what those photos showed, of course.) In "Moment of Contact," Eric Davis had this exchange with Fox: James Fox: "Put me wherever you were when you got to see photographs of crash retrieval and documents. What did that feel like?" Dr. Eric Davis: "That was startling, when I actually see recorded evidence with my own eyes. Photographs, reports, and whatnot. That took it to a higher level, that kicked it up several notches of reality. And that made it very clear that this reality is very hard, very physical, very real. "And this type of evidence, you can't come by in the open literature, it's not public, it's classified. And I can't discuss what it was, but I can tell you, yeah, it's a crash retrieval, there's a craft, and there's alien bodies. That's all I can say about it." Fox: "You swear on your life that you saw those pictures?" Davis: "Oh, I swear on my life, and everybody's...my children's life, so (laughs). Yeah, I'm absolutely telling you the truth. I saw the evidence, and it's stark! I can't tell you the exact number, because it's classified, but I'll just say, there's a few dozen total retrievals." Full exchange with video... ~~~ As I said in my other post, I think Davis, Semivan, Puthoff, Kelleher, Grusch, Lacatski, Stratton, aka The AAWSAP Gang (I just made that up), may have seen the same evidence of photos and reports. Has Grusch seen more than that? I don't know. In 2025, Davis said this... Burlison: "Can you comment on whatever species have been piloting these craft? Are they largish? Are they multiple species? What was their size, and how many are usually on a craft?" Davis: "They're typically the multiple species people are familiar with. The Greys, the Nordics. People have talked about Reptilians and Insectoids. It's not that they're Reptilian or Insectoid, it's that they resemble, to the participant, a reptile, or insect type. A humanoid, because they have this...a hand, and four limbs, and a torso, so..." Burlison: "Large? Small?" Davis: "Human size, human scale." Burlison: "How many are in a crew?" Davis: "Well, the group, well, the Greys I'm familiar with from investigating the crash at Corona, which is misnamed the crash at Roswell. It's not the crash at Roswell, it's the crash at Corona, New Mexico. Those were Greys, those were four-foot tall. And the Nordics are typically human-sized, probably...I've heard five, six-feet tall. And same with the people who mislabel Reptilian and Insectoid. They're roughly that height, too. I haven't heard anything about anything seven or eight feet or nine-foot tall, of that nature." Full post with video... ~ And this past Sunday, Davis said this to The Good Trouble Show with Matt Ford... Davis: "I can say to you guys that there are a minimum of four different alien species. The credibility of that ranges on the spectrum from no credibility to high credibility. The high credibility is the classified part." Full post: My Final Thoughts (Based on everything Davis has shared, it seems he saw classified photos of what appeared to him to be non-human craft and photos that appeared to show dead non-humans (bodies) with enough detail that he could see that some resembled reptiles and others resembled insects. Were there also photos of Greys and beings that looked human (Nordic)? I don't know. These images of non-humans would fall into what Davis deemed "high credibility" and "the classified part.") Davis: "I saw the evidence, and it's stark!" (If Davis saw close-up photos that showed details of beings that looked like Reptilians and Mantids, I'd say that qualifies as stark!) Back to what Fox said... Fox: "Then, what Mr. Grusch revealed to all of us, what he had seen with his own eyes, left the room speechless. It drew the oxygen out of the room. I looked at everybody in that room, and their eyeballs were popping out. My jaw was on the floor. Like, I simply couldn't believe what he'd seen with his own eyes." (I think what caused that reaction was Grusch describing seeing close-up photos of different types of non-human beings. Maybe.) However, Fox also said this: "...if you can imagine, if you know about 'Moment of Contact,' that involves captured non-human intelligent beings (This is the Varginha, Brazil case. ~Joe). Think about that for a minute. Think about that case. I heard it out of his mouth, and I can tell you, I was in the room." (The biggest CLAIM in that film and from that case is that a live, non-human being was captured and that Dr. Italo saw video of it, and then stood next to it for a few minutes when it was in the hospital, in a bed, being cared for by another doctor. Did Grusch say he saw evidence (photos or videos) of a live being that appeared to be non-human? Joe Rogan asked him that in his November 2023 interview... Grusch: "Once you realize the phenomenon's real, then you realize we've recovered artifacts and, you know, biologics or, you know, dead pilots, if you will, even though it's kind of creepy to think about in your world view. You don't think they were ever, you know, alive sometimes, too, right? And I'll leave it at that, only because, you know, that is something the President and his cabinet need to disclose this in a controlled manner." (He was either hinting that he's seen them alive or that them being alive and on this planet is a huge deal and not his responsibility to announce. I think it's the latter.) Rogan: "Are there discussions of interactions with live beings?" Grusch: "Uhh, there was some water-cooler talk about that kind of thing." Rogan: "But that's it?" Grusch: "But, you know, I don't even wanna get into it because it's like, uh, there was some details provided to me but it's like, it's secondary and I don't know if that's like, the telephone game and I don't know if it was hyperbolized in any way...um, you know, in the break room, so to speak. So I just... I'm so anal about making sure what I say is accurate...I don't, you know, I don't know." (Based on what he said there, it seems like he has NOT seen any evidence of live beings. If he now comes out and says that he has, it will seem like a flip flop. So, I'm gonna go with Grusch said he saw photos of non-human bodies and they were of the different types/species that Dr. Eric Davis referenced. One more flashback to what Davis said in that public, congressional briefing in May of 2025.) Davis: "It's not that they're Reptilian or Insectoid, it's that they resemble, to the participant, a reptile, or insect type." (That sounds like someone who has seen exactly what they look like, via photos.) Final point... "Examine biological evidence of living or deceased non-human intelligence." ~Burlison Proposed Legislation (That language was in the original UAPD Disclosure Act co-sponsored by Senators Schumer and Rounds, and four other senators. Why put that language in there if you haven't heard credible reports of living or deceased (bodies) non-human intelligence? Are there stories of living, non-humans on this planet? Yes, and I'll leave you with one of them.) ) (Just to make it clear: I think Grusch will say that he saw clear photos of different types of non-human bodies and some looked like reptiles and others looked like insects. It would be amazing to hear Grusch say he saw video or film of living beings, but I don't expect that. However...this still bothers me... Would Grusch describing seeing photos of craft and different kinds of dead aliens leave veteran-of-the-UFO-field, James Fox, with his jaw on the floor? I guess we're gonna see. And hopefully soon.)
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!["We have started to put some resources behind trying to understand [the UFO program]." ~VP Vance 🛸 Vance: I'm Reading Jay Stratton's UFO Book and I'm Gonna Try to Get to the Bottom of the UFO Mystery 🛸 Vice President JD Vance is currently reading Jay Stratton's book, "Out of the Shadows." He called him "Jay Patterson" so viewers may struggle to find it. That's good for Jay and the topic. Vance: "What I've said about the UFO program is, I just don't know. And I have started to look into it. We have started to put some resources behind trying to understand it. When I have the answer, I will certainly tell ya. But the Joe Rogan interview was a good motivating factor for it." (After reading Stratton's book, maybe Miller and Vance can take Stratton or Grusch (or whoever knows the alleged current locations of this stuff) to the places where non-human craft, bodies, or tissue samples are allegedly being held. Livestream it.) Vance: "Because, you know, I've always been interested in this stuff. I haven't really spent the time to try to understand it. Now that I do have a top-secret security clearance, that has changed. I'm actually reading a book right now by a guy, I think his name is Jay Patterson." Watters: "Yeah." (No.) Vance: "And he was...you may have heard about this book, I think it's even been featured on Fox News a little bit. And I'm just trying to understand it and I'm gonna use my top-secret security clearance to try to get to the bottom of it. And I may have a really good answer, or I may have a really terrible answer. I'll keep you posted." Vance also made a joke about James Talarico being an alien. It wasn't funny but everybody laughed. Talarico has a very good chance of being the first Democrat to win a senate seat in Texas, via election, since 1988.](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2116038344480346442/amplify_video_thumb/2116034673189208064/img/QIcrNbwB6_JjznkP.jpg)
"We have started to put some resources behind trying to understand [the UFO program]." ~VP Vance 🛸 Vance: I'm Reading Jay Stratton's UFO Book and I'm Gonna Try to Get to the Bottom of the UFO Mystery 🛸 Vice President JD Vance is currently reading Jay Stratton's book, "Out of the Shadows." He called him "Jay Patterson" so viewers may struggle to find it. That's good for Jay and the topic. Vance: "What I've said about the UFO program is, I just don't know. And I have started to look into it. We have started to put some resources behind trying to understand it. When I have the answer, I will certainly tell ya. But the Joe Rogan interview was a good motivating factor for it." (After reading Stratton's book, maybe Miller and Vance can take Stratton or Grusch (or whoever knows the alleged current locations of this stuff) to the places where non-human craft, bodies, or tissue samples are allegedly being held. Livestream it.) Vance: "Because, you know, I've always been interested in this stuff. I haven't really spent the time to try to understand it. Now that I do have a top-secret security clearance, that has changed. I'm actually reading a book right now by a guy, I think his name is Jay Patterson." Watters: "Yeah." (No.) Vance: "And he was...you may have heard about this book, I think it's even been featured on Fox News a little bit. And I'm just trying to understand it and I'm gonna use my top-secret security clearance to try to get to the bottom of it. And I may have a really good answer, or I may have a really terrible answer. I'll keep you posted." Vance also made a joke about James Talarico being an alien. It wasn't funny but everybody laughed. Talarico has a very good chance of being the first Democrat to win a senate seat in Texas, via election, since 1988.
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![Hannity: "I will ask the President about this." Borland: "Thank God." "If [Trump] does this and he does it himself, and gets the world to follow suit, he will live in infamy, because there is no one who will ever do it. It is a one-time shot, and it will be all his." ~Dylan Borland Sean Hannity 🇺🇸: What would you most want me to ask Trump? Will we ever get full Disclosure? (I don't have time to transcribe the rest. On my way out the door and I'll try to reply to your comments later tonight. Donald J. Trump President Donald J. Trump Stephen Miller.)](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2103159901791093154/amplify_video_thumb/2103158530681577472/img/UECMHIiDDLIIkSAZ.jpg)
Hannity: "I will ask the President about this." Borland: "Thank God." "If [Trump] does this and he does it himself, and gets the world to follow suit, he will live in infamy, because there is no one who will ever do it. It is a one-time shot, and it will be all his." ~Dylan Borland Sean Hannity 🇺🇸: What would you most want me to ask Trump? Will we ever get full Disclosure? (I don't have time to transcribe the rest. On my way out the door and I'll try to reply to your comments later tonight. Donald J. Trump President Donald J. Trump Stephen Miller.)
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(UNDISCLOSED LOCATION) 01.01.2025 The United States Africa Command submitted a report of an unidentified anomalous phenomenon to the All-domain Anomaly Resolution Office (AARO) consisting of two seconds of video footage from an infrared sensor aboard a U.S. military platform in 2025. The reporter did not provide any oral or written description of the observation. Video Description:00:00-00:02: A small, barely distinguishable area of contrast moves from the left side of the sensor field-of-view to the right side, exiting the scene from the bottom right quarter of the screen. This video description is provided for informational purposes only. Readers should not interpret any part of this description as reflecting an analytical judgment, investigative conclusion, or factual determination regarding the described event’s validity, nature, or significance. The video is looped for viewing purposes.
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!["There was a willingness to communicate. [The non-human entity] wanted to establish communication with us." ~JV 💥 Has AI Figured Out the Identify of Gilbert? 👀 👽 Did an Alien Volunteer to be Studied and Communicate with Humans in a Secret USG Facility? Is it Still There? 👽 "My understanding is that there were teams there that had been working with that being and perhaps other beings for a while." ~JV This is Pt. 1 - Pt. 2 has the AI sleuthing on the possible identity of Gilbert. Excellent job by Ross Coulthart. And if you wanna see my post on Gilbert, the alleged Alien Entity, Vallée...and ALL Gilbert-related entries in FS V7 ⬇️⬇️⬇️ I'm taking with this with a major grain of salt until we hear from Gilbert. Then, I'll revaluate.) ~ Ross Coulthart: "You write in your Forbidden Science (7) diaries, in October 2021 for the first time, you mention someone called Gilbert. It's a pseudonym, but essentially, it's a long-lost friend, a discreet master remote viewer at the level of Uri Geller and Ingo Swann." Jacques Vallée: "Yes." (If your response to hearing Geller's name mentioned is, "Oh, he's been proven to be a fraud. See Johnny Carson,' then you haven't done your homework on Uri. Drs. Kit Green and Hal Puthoff on Geller. ~ Kit Green: "Anybody who has studied Geller and seen what he does and the films of what he does recognizes that there are profound differences between what Geller does and magician's tricks. There’s not even a remotely qualified individual who’s ever investigated Geller who believes this orthodoxy – that it’s all trickery. The RV [remote-viewing] experiments for me were astonishing. He was a superb remote viewer, he was a superstar." ~ Coulthart: "And Gilbert tells you that, through official channels, presumably, government channels, he was taken to participate in a controlled, personal exchange with a, supposed, alien. And you acknowledge in your diary that these revelations are explosive. "And by September 2023, you've received five closely-typed pages detailing how Gilbert says he was taken to a U.S. laboratory, sheltered inside rock, where military guides exposed him to what they explicitly told him was a living alien entity. Now, do you believe Gilbert's account, Jacques? I know at one stage you query: was this a fully veridical (truthful) account? Do you think Gilbert was telling you the truth?" Jacques Vallée: "I have....I believe it for two reasons. You know, believe is a bad word. It's a religious word, it's a commitment, and so on. And everybody is free to believe whatever we want to believe. In science, you know, belief is a contingency. You face a phenomenon. You build a theory of a phenomenon, but the theory, there is no such thing as a theory without a way of testing it. "Now I have no way of testing what Gilbert has told me. I'm not going to reveal the rest of his data because that's his data, and I know there are plans to publish it in the proper way, so that everybody has access to it. I have the data, but it's not up to me to publish it. "There have been other cases, and I've had one personal occasion of coming face-to-face with an entity that is very similar to the entity that he describes. To my shame, I was so scared because this was unprepared. I was not intending to do that." Coulthart: "Are you saying that you had your own personal encounter with an entity? Vallée: "Yes." Coulthart: "When did that happen?" Vallée: "I had no communication with that entity because I was simply too scared, and I mention it in the book." ~Begin excerpt from FS V6~ Hummingbird. Saturday 27 October 2018. ...something brief and terrifying happened last night, far more tangible than a nightmare. As I review it, I have to accept an experience outside my body. All I know is that in the middle of the night I found myself propelled away into the kitchen, a tall being between me and the window. I couldn’t see a face, but it was tall like me, human-like, solid. A few seconds later I woke up suddenly, back into my lying body, panting and whimpering, terrified. It had been absolutely, shockingly real. No transition, none of that slow lifting of the soul people describe. I had been translated from the bedroom, standing up, totally aware, next to the entity that hovered near me without touching, yet encompassing me in a formidable presence. This is as close to a full out-of-body experience as I have ever had. It left me whimpering and scared. (Not a fan of JV mentioning this dream-like/out-of-body experience in the same breath as Gilbert's, alleged face-to-face, physical encounter with a living entity.) ~End Excerpt from FS V6 - Back to JV with Coulthart~ Vallée: "Now in [Gilbert's] case this was very structured. He was asked to be there. And, by the way, it's not classified. I asked him if it was classified, he said, 'No.' And this was 20 years ago, this is not recent." Coulthart: "So, let's go through some of the detail of what you do reveal in [FS 7]. In December 2024, you write that you've seen Gilbert's structured results, and he says he was, apparently, instructed to put specific questions directly to the entity. And it gets fascinating. "Some of the questions generated impressions and responses he couldn't decipher. And what you conclude is that there may be two different levels of NHI, non-human intelligence. Your interpretation, or your friend's interpretation of what he got from the being, is that the higher-level controllers are genuinely alien, whereas the small beings - perhaps the Grays associated with UFO encounters - may be primitive biological hybrids, specifically engineered for terrestrial operation. Is that your conclusion, Jacques?" Vallée: "Well, again, I'm an information scientist. I try to look for patterns of things, so I don't look at one case, you know, separate from others. I look for patterns of cases. In Trinity, in Socorro, in Valensole, and now in the case in Brazil that was revealed recently. "We have a dozen entities. These entities were small; they were the size of, you know, a 10-year-old or 12-year-old kid. They had two eyes and a mouth. They were breathing air. They did not look like our astronauts with, you know, all kinds of suits and [a] support system. They were breathing air. You could understand the, you know, any sense from their eyes. Overall, their structure was human." "Over the years, there have been efforts to theorize in biology about what it would take to create a different kind of human adapted to certain things. We are going to face that problem in space. NASA has looked at that. But before NASA, you know, certainly in World War II, that question was raised already. "And there are...and I mentioned a case from an American biologist who came back from Russia with at least a rumor that the Russians were developing short humanoids for future space missions, because that would save, you know... The most expensive part in the space missions we have now, like the Moon, is the human pilot, okay? If we could do away with the human pilot, or if we could minimize that pilot, then the technology would be safer and would probably function better. "So that question had been discussed in biology. Now, the threshold was, you know, a moral threshold. Are we permitted to create? I mean, we are clearly at the position where, as you know, that the question arose in China recently. You know, was there an experiment to manipulate an egg and create them? So, those are very current questions in biology. "Could some of the beings be just operators? Because in Brazil, especially, they did not seem to be in control at all. And the same thing in Trinity. Trinity is a very important case." (Speculatively speaking: If Gilbert actually came face-to-face with a non-human entity, how would we know if it was one of the actual alien "controllers (as JV suggests)" and not a different type of lower-level, artificial-intelligence-fused being designed to trick us into thinking we've actually met the controllers? Is there any way of knowing? Maybe Gilbert can shed light on that? Maybe what he encountered was just another type of being engineered and created by the controllers for terrestrial operation in order to keep their distance from us, or for some other reason? Or, maybe JV is correct and that was one of the actual alien controllers?) ~ Coulthart: "Can I just pull you back for a moment, though, to Gilbert's story, Jacques? Because I think it's incredibly important. What it's unique for, is it's actually somebody you have spoken to, directly, giving a first-person physical account of an encounter with a non-human being in what sounds like a U.S. military government facility." (Is the entity still there now?) Coulthart: "And there's actually a moment in your diaries, 12th of March 2025, where you actually get from Gilbert, a physical description of what he saw. He was, apparently, brought in as a specialist. He didn't know whether there were other captured or, interestingly enough, volunteer beings. But he had a rough idea of approximately where he was being taken. "He couldn't see outside the vehicle, but he was inside a small mountain, some kind of, perhaps, deep underground military bunker. Inside was a large, well-lit laboratory staffed by men and women wearing uniforms without rank or unit identification. There was no medical procedures or drugs. "And then, Gilbert says to you, he was brought face-to-face with the alleged entity. And it wasn't a Gray. It was over six feet tall. It, apparently, emitted light from different parts of its body, may have been enclosed in some sort of wired suit, test article, or a containment apparatus." (Was the suit designed to protect the being from our environment or to protect the humans in that room from the being? And just to reiterate, I'll assume it was an alien being. My friend made these excellent points... "We don't know if the parts of its body emitting light were its body or some sort of harness or device it was wearing. And if it was some sort of harness/device what was its purpose and whose device was it? Was it life support? Alien shackles? Was it meant to help, or control? "Say for instance, a harness device that emits a frequency that prevents the being from doing something? Leaving? Disappearing? Communicating?") ~ Coulthart: "And it, apparently, communicated through combinations of light, and permitted questions concerning psychic functioning. And he had several hours of communication with this being. Now, you've made it clear you believe Gilbert's account, you accept Gilbert's account. This is extraordinary." Vallée: "I've known him for a long time, and I know what else he's done, which is extraordinary. So..." Coulthart: "I mean, this is very important, Jacques. Is this person willing to give evidence to a congressional inquiry, if they're not subject to classified limitations, security oaths, or NDAs?" Vallée: "I asked him that because, obviously, I did not want to get into something that would take me, you know, beyond that range. And he said, 'No,' he was not... He asked, 'You know, do I need a special clearance for this?' He has done other work, you know, for the military." Coulthart: "Right. But I was analyzing the implications of what you say in the diary about Gilbert. And to summarize it, it's more than a psychic once met an alien. What it is, is, a classified U.S. group allegedly possesses, or hosts, a living, non-human intelligent being, and they've been operating a systematic, multidisciplinary communication program with it, over time. And Gilbert was brought in as one specialist to conduct controlled communications with it. Do you accept that that's the implication of what you say in the diary?" Vallée: "This is logical in terms of what we know from a long time. What the procedure would be. The structure was...did not go into psychic functioning, you know? The questions that they had been asked were basic physiological, physical questions. They brought [Gilbert] in so that he was authorized to create his own questions and to probe...to see to what extent he could elicit a response that would be a psychic response from that entity. "The question is: At what level do they function? We know we have some ability to function on a psychic level. Some people can practice this better than others. We know from the SRI work by Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ and others that this can be trained. As you know, I was involved in that project to some extent over several years, and with Ingo. So, I went through the procedure with Ingo for an entire year. What Gilbert is describing matches that very well. In other words, there was a procedure." Coulthart: "So, you allude, Jacques, to the fact that Gilbert is, apparently, writing his own book about what he encountered. Can you clarify for me, though, is Gilbert willing to give evidence to the ongoing congressional investigations into this?" (Good on Ross to follow-up because JV didn't answer it the first time.) Coulthart: "There are very few people who are willing to give first-person evidence. And if he's not restrained by classification-security-oaths constraints, what's stopping him from coming forward, even confidentially, to a secure SCIF in the Congress, and giving this evidence?" Vallée: "I cannot answer for him. He has a long career in helping, you know, different projects in a classified setting. So, he's quite capable of answering that. What I know is...I don't know that he is writing a book. There is a project for a series of interviews, and I've participated in that. I've given a few interviews about my own work. But I know he's been part of that project. I don't know how it's going to be released or whether it's going to be released. I'm not part of the business that owns that data." (Well, whatever that is, it really needs to be released. Interviews in written form, or on camera?) Coulthart: "I'm very excited by the Gilbert character, and forgive me for harping on about him. Can I at least clarify, Gilbert is a he." (I'm just as excited. This COULD be HUGE!) Vallée: "I don't want to give away any indication. You know, I have not had communication, recently. I don't know how far that project has gone. It's their project, and there is a boundary to what I can say." Coulthart: "But who are they, Jacques? Like, when you say it's their project, you're talking about the individual known as Gilbert by pseudonym?" Vallée: "And the release of that information. His intent is to release it." Coulthart: "I've got to ask you this, and I appreciate you may not want to disclose, but is the person that you're talking about Keith Harary?" Vallée: "Umm, no. I can definitely tell you it's not Keith." (Later in this interview, JV said he met Gilbert when he (Gilbert) was 22. Out of the public names associated with gifted psychics and remote viewers, Harary comes close. But there's another possibility that I'll let ChatGPT lay out in the 2nd tweet. If you've studied remote viewing, you know the name Keith Harary. If you'd like to read an excellent article written by Keith "Blue" Harary in Psychology Today, here ya go: dot com/us/articles/200411/confessions-of-a-star-psychic ~ Coulthart: "Is it Joe McMoneagle?" Vallée: "[laughs] I shouldn't play... It's an interesting game, but, you know, there are two or three other names." Coulthart: "Joseph McMoneagle, of course, Jacques, as you and I both know, he worked with you at SRI. He was remote viewer number one in the U.S. Army intelligence program." Vallée: "I have enormous amount of respect for Mr. McMoneagle." Coulthart: "So do I. Joe is probably one of the most respected remote viewers known to the U.S. military (JV shakes his head up and down in agreement) and the U.S. intelligence community. And I noted back in Forbidden Science 3, Joe told you about UFO-related material. And Joe talked about how a photograph of a disc had inexplicably disappeared from a classified safe under his sole control. And he you quoted him saying to you, 'There must be a higher level of authority that controls UFO data.' What's going on here, Jacques?" Here's the excerpt from FS V3... "Joe [McMoneagle] once obtained a detailed photograph of a disk. He placed a copy in a locked safe with double combination, a classified safe under his sole control. Yet the photograph vanished. “'There must be a higher level of authority that controls UFO data,' he said, 'a level beyond the folks who run the satellites.'" (The Gatekeepers?) ~ Coulthart: "Clearly, someone - if it's Joe McMoneagle, let's just call them Gilbert. Someone invited Gilbert to a secure facility, presumably, a secure-government facility, yet at the same time we have the government - in the form of AARO, the Pentagon - asserting, blue and blind, that there is absolutely no evidence of extraterrestrial-non-human-intelligence engagement with this planet. We know that's not true. What's going on, sir? You, probably more than anyone, know the answer to that question." Vallée: "It's a central question, of course, and I don't want to make, you know, to treat it in a humorous way. But I recall a conversation with Dr. Hynek when I was working with him back at Northwestern. And I said, 'You know, what does the Air Force say and what does the Air Force think?' And he said, 'Jacques, you have to understand, there is no such thing as the U.S. Air Force. There are projects within the Air Force that do different things.'" (Kind of like when people say, "The GOVERNMENT does this and that." Like the Air Force, the U.S. government is not a monolith. AARO may have had no clue about the Gilbert story, until JV put out V7. Maybe they still don't know?) Vallée: "And that's legitimate. [The USAF] are looking at different parts of, you know, the whole planet, with the tools they have. And they have different opinions about things, and they have budgets to pursue different things with different projects. And many times they don't know about the other project." Coulthart: "Is it possible that Gilbert was being played?" Vallée: "[shakes his head back and forth] No. No." Coulthart: "That he was shown something that was an intention to try and see what a master remote viewer would think of what he was being shown?" Vallée: "He's one of the best psychics in the world today, and has been throughout his career." (It's impossible to know 100% that what Gilbert encountered (assuming this actually happened) was a non-human entity. And even if/when he comes forward, that won't change. We're going to need evidence besides anecdotes.) ~ Coulthart: "So you find him very credible." Vallée: "I met him when he was 22." Coulthart: "What state was the location in, where this facility that he was taken to is located? Did he give you that indication?" Vallée: "I don't know the level of if there is a security wrapper around this. I don't know at what level. So, I've purposely been vague in the book, again." Coulthart: "I got that. Was there a date for the encounter? I think you indicated to me earlier it was about 20 years ago. Is that right?" Vallée: "Yes." Coulthart: "Have you seen any evidence proving that Gilbert was actually at that location? Has he provided you with any substantiating...or corroboration?" Vallée: "No. No. No. And that's why I don't want to go beyond, you know, reporting about that conversation and my trust in the conversation. I have no way of checking this. My own experience would indicate that that kind of thing is happening. Probably (in many places)." (Crosstalk, so I'm not 100% sure on "in many places." And what "experience" is JV talking about?) Coulthart: "Can I ask you a few questions, though? And you don't have to answer these if you're uncomfortable. Did he physically touch the entity?" Vallée: "No." Coulthart: "Was the entity a prisoner?" Vallée: "No. I asked him that question, of course, and he said the entity was a volunteer." (We need all the details on how that happened. Via a crash retrieval? Did it knock on the door one day? Teleport into their lab? Amazon Prime delivery in a REALLY big box with holes in it? 🙂 And why should we trust the entity? My friend added this: "A death-row prisoner agreeing to cooperate with authorities on something could be considered volunteering…but is still a prisoner. Did the being say it’s a volunteer or was it the people at the facility? Do we really have to wait around for a possible book we actually might never see?") ~ Coulthart: "You, intriguingly, talk about, in your diary, captured or volunteer beings. You're clear that this being was there voluntarily?" Vallée: "Yes." Coulthart: "But it suggests that there are other beings that are captured." Vallée: "I don't know. I'm not, you know, fudging here. I really don't know the answer." Coulthart: "Okay. Do you know from Gilbert how long the entity had been with this facility, with the humans?" Vallée: "No, and I asked Gilbert that. He did not know that. He was there just for that one presentation and that was..." Coulthart: "Was the entity alive, in the sense that we think of something being biologically alive?" Vallée: "Yes. Now, I have no doubt, as you know, I'm not an expert about Hollywood, but I've, occasionally, seen what Hollywood could do in terms of special effects. And, of course, everything can be a special effect." (Again, according to JV, Gilbert may have seen, "a test article, a wired uniform or a safety container for the being rather than the body of an actual Alien." So, Gilbert may not know what it actually looked like. Hard to be definitive on what this entity was and we'll need to hear from Gilbert for more details.) Coulthart: "Did Gilbert explain why he, a remote viewer, was required to communicate with the being, if, as you say in the diary, it was communicating with light?" Vallée: "Yes, yes. Because the people in charge were smart enough to understand that the communication that that being was capable of was beyond the... I mean, we have the same thing with whales, you know? Whales can read the inside of your body. I mean, women who were attending to whales, the whale would know they were pregnant before they knew they were pregnant." (That hasn't been proven.) Vallée: "So, those situations are, you know...we have aliens (he smiled and I believe he used quotation marks with his hands) here on Earth in the form of some very intelligent animals that perceive things completely outside our range. So, it's not a new situation." Coulthart: "No, but I think this is the revelation - I think, one of the most important revelations in your latest book - that we are talking here about someone who you accept as telling the truth, who says they were part of what sounds like a U.S. government, U.S. military program, where they were asked to communicate with a non-human being. Can I ask you this, sir? Did conventional spoken language fail, or was it not possible with this being?" Vallée: "The answers were in the form of light configurations." Coulthart: "And so, had we learned, had humans learned how to communicate with it through light?" Vallée: "From what he told me, there was limited knowledge of what was positive and negative. He was asked to only frame questions in a way that where the answer could be yes or no, And that's why there were situations where he said he couldn't understand the answer." (Yes or no questions? I'm gonna assume the entity had no thumbs. Thumbs up? 👍🏽 Thumbs down? 👎🏼 😊) Coulthart: "One of the things you say in your diary - and I've learned to read Jacques Vallee's diaries very, very closely indeed - you say Gilbert's answers matched earlier results. Earlier results from whom, Jacques? I really think this is a very important question. What are you talking about there?" Vallée: "Well, the...you know, my understanding is that there were teams there that had been working with that being and perhaps other beings for a while. I mean, this isn't just a one-off situation. They had a base. Again, I said, 'What were the insignias?' He said, 'They were probably people from different branches of the armed forces there. You know, the people there were experts, men and women, you know, who seemed to be coming and going.' There may have been other labs. You know, he was in one lab." Coulthart: "Is it your understanding that this communication with this being is communicating today? Is it still happening?" Vallée: "I have no way of knowing." Coulthart: "So it was happening 20 years ago, but we don't know if that program is still operating today." Vallée: "What was important to me, again, in terms of what we can derive from the database and from other, you know, all the other contact cases, is that the communication was primarily light, in the form of light."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2104287905443434740/amplify_video_thumb/2104285861336739840/img/AgvdmqeGRC_Dzu5K.jpg)
"There was a willingness to communicate. [The non-human entity] wanted to establish communication with us." ~JV 💥 Has AI Figured Out the Identify of Gilbert? 👀 👽 Did an Alien Volunteer to be Studied and Communicate with Humans in a Secret USG Facility? Is it Still There? 👽 "My understanding is that there were teams there that had been working with that being and perhaps other beings for a while." ~JV This is Pt. 1 - Pt. 2 has the AI sleuthing on the possible identity of Gilbert. Excellent job by Ross Coulthart. And if you wanna see my post on Gilbert, the alleged Alien Entity, Vallée...and ALL Gilbert-related entries in FS V7 ⬇️⬇️⬇️ I'm taking with this with a major grain of salt until we hear from Gilbert. Then, I'll revaluate.) ~ Ross Coulthart: "You write in your Forbidden Science (7) diaries, in October 2021 for the first time, you mention someone called Gilbert. It's a pseudonym, but essentially, it's a long-lost friend, a discreet master remote viewer at the level of Uri Geller and Ingo Swann." Jacques Vallée: "Yes." (If your response to hearing Geller's name mentioned is, "Oh, he's been proven to be a fraud. See Johnny Carson,' then you haven't done your homework on Uri. Drs. Kit Green and Hal Puthoff on Geller. ~ Kit Green: "Anybody who has studied Geller and seen what he does and the films of what he does recognizes that there are profound differences between what Geller does and magician's tricks. There’s not even a remotely qualified individual who’s ever investigated Geller who believes this orthodoxy – that it’s all trickery. The RV [remote-viewing] experiments for me were astonishing. He was a superb remote viewer, he was a superstar." ~ Coulthart: "And Gilbert tells you that, through official channels, presumably, government channels, he was taken to participate in a controlled, personal exchange with a, supposed, alien. And you acknowledge in your diary that these revelations are explosive. "And by September 2023, you've received five closely-typed pages detailing how Gilbert says he was taken to a U.S. laboratory, sheltered inside rock, where military guides exposed him to what they explicitly told him was a living alien entity. Now, do you believe Gilbert's account, Jacques? I know at one stage you query: was this a fully veridical (truthful) account? Do you think Gilbert was telling you the truth?" Jacques Vallée: "I have....I believe it for two reasons. You know, believe is a bad word. It's a religious word, it's a commitment, and so on. And everybody is free to believe whatever we want to believe. In science, you know, belief is a contingency. You face a phenomenon. You build a theory of a phenomenon, but the theory, there is no such thing as a theory without a way of testing it. "Now I have no way of testing what Gilbert has told me. I'm not going to reveal the rest of his data because that's his data, and I know there are plans to publish it in the proper way, so that everybody has access to it. I have the data, but it's not up to me to publish it. "There have been other cases, and I've had one personal occasion of coming face-to-face with an entity that is very similar to the entity that he describes. To my shame, I was so scared because this was unprepared. I was not intending to do that." Coulthart: "Are you saying that you had your own personal encounter with an entity? Vallée: "Yes." Coulthart: "When did that happen?" Vallée: "I had no communication with that entity because I was simply too scared, and I mention it in the book." ~Begin excerpt from FS V6~ Hummingbird. Saturday 27 October 2018. ...something brief and terrifying happened last night, far more tangible than a nightmare. As I review it, I have to accept an experience outside my body. All I know is that in the middle of the night I found myself propelled away into the kitchen, a tall being between me and the window. I couldn’t see a face, but it was tall like me, human-like, solid. A few seconds later I woke up suddenly, back into my lying body, panting and whimpering, terrified. It had been absolutely, shockingly real. No transition, none of that slow lifting of the soul people describe. I had been translated from the bedroom, standing up, totally aware, next to the entity that hovered near me without touching, yet encompassing me in a formidable presence. This is as close to a full out-of-body experience as I have ever had. It left me whimpering and scared. (Not a fan of JV mentioning this dream-like/out-of-body experience in the same breath as Gilbert's, alleged face-to-face, physical encounter with a living entity.) ~End Excerpt from FS V6 - Back to JV with Coulthart~ Vallée: "Now in [Gilbert's] case this was very structured. He was asked to be there. And, by the way, it's not classified. I asked him if it was classified, he said, 'No.' And this was 20 years ago, this is not recent." Coulthart: "So, let's go through some of the detail of what you do reveal in [FS 7]. In December 2024, you write that you've seen Gilbert's structured results, and he says he was, apparently, instructed to put specific questions directly to the entity. And it gets fascinating. "Some of the questions generated impressions and responses he couldn't decipher. And what you conclude is that there may be two different levels of NHI, non-human intelligence. Your interpretation, or your friend's interpretation of what he got from the being, is that the higher-level controllers are genuinely alien, whereas the small beings - perhaps the Grays associated with UFO encounters - may be primitive biological hybrids, specifically engineered for terrestrial operation. Is that your conclusion, Jacques?" Vallée: "Well, again, I'm an information scientist. I try to look for patterns of things, so I don't look at one case, you know, separate from others. I look for patterns of cases. In Trinity, in Socorro, in Valensole, and now in the case in Brazil that was revealed recently. "We have a dozen entities. These entities were small; they were the size of, you know, a 10-year-old or 12-year-old kid. They had two eyes and a mouth. They were breathing air. They did not look like our astronauts with, you know, all kinds of suits and [a] support system. They were breathing air. You could understand the, you know, any sense from their eyes. Overall, their structure was human." "Over the years, there have been efforts to theorize in biology about what it would take to create a different kind of human adapted to certain things. We are going to face that problem in space. NASA has looked at that. But before NASA, you know, certainly in World War II, that question was raised already. "And there are...and I mentioned a case from an American biologist who came back from Russia with at least a rumor that the Russians were developing short humanoids for future space missions, because that would save, you know... The most expensive part in the space missions we have now, like the Moon, is the human pilot, okay? If we could do away with the human pilot, or if we could minimize that pilot, then the technology would be safer and would probably function better. "So that question had been discussed in biology. Now, the threshold was, you know, a moral threshold. Are we permitted to create? I mean, we are clearly at the position where, as you know, that the question arose in China recently. You know, was there an experiment to manipulate an egg and create them? So, those are very current questions in biology. "Could some of the beings be just operators? Because in Brazil, especially, they did not seem to be in control at all. And the same thing in Trinity. Trinity is a very important case." (Speculatively speaking: If Gilbert actually came face-to-face with a non-human entity, how would we know if it was one of the actual alien "controllers (as JV suggests)" and not a different type of lower-level, artificial-intelligence-fused being designed to trick us into thinking we've actually met the controllers? Is there any way of knowing? Maybe Gilbert can shed light on that? Maybe what he encountered was just another type of being engineered and created by the controllers for terrestrial operation in order to keep their distance from us, or for some other reason? Or, maybe JV is correct and that was one of the actual alien controllers?) ~ Coulthart: "Can I just pull you back for a moment, though, to Gilbert's story, Jacques? Because I think it's incredibly important. What it's unique for, is it's actually somebody you have spoken to, directly, giving a first-person physical account of an encounter with a non-human being in what sounds like a U.S. military government facility." (Is the entity still there now?) Coulthart: "And there's actually a moment in your diaries, 12th of March 2025, where you actually get from Gilbert, a physical description of what he saw. He was, apparently, brought in as a specialist. He didn't know whether there were other captured or, interestingly enough, volunteer beings. But he had a rough idea of approximately where he was being taken. "He couldn't see outside the vehicle, but he was inside a small mountain, some kind of, perhaps, deep underground military bunker. Inside was a large, well-lit laboratory staffed by men and women wearing uniforms without rank or unit identification. There was no medical procedures or drugs. "And then, Gilbert says to you, he was brought face-to-face with the alleged entity. And it wasn't a Gray. It was over six feet tall. It, apparently, emitted light from different parts of its body, may have been enclosed in some sort of wired suit, test article, or a containment apparatus." (Was the suit designed to protect the being from our environment or to protect the humans in that room from the being? And just to reiterate, I'll assume it was an alien being. My friend made these excellent points... "We don't know if the parts of its body emitting light were its body or some sort of harness or device it was wearing. And if it was some sort of harness/device what was its purpose and whose device was it? Was it life support? Alien shackles? Was it meant to help, or control? "Say for instance, a harness device that emits a frequency that prevents the being from doing something? Leaving? Disappearing? Communicating?") ~ Coulthart: "And it, apparently, communicated through combinations of light, and permitted questions concerning psychic functioning. And he had several hours of communication with this being. Now, you've made it clear you believe Gilbert's account, you accept Gilbert's account. This is extraordinary." Vallée: "I've known him for a long time, and I know what else he's done, which is extraordinary. So..." Coulthart: "I mean, this is very important, Jacques. Is this person willing to give evidence to a congressional inquiry, if they're not subject to classified limitations, security oaths, or NDAs?" Vallée: "I asked him that because, obviously, I did not want to get into something that would take me, you know, beyond that range. And he said, 'No,' he was not... He asked, 'You know, do I need a special clearance for this?' He has done other work, you know, for the military." Coulthart: "Right. But I was analyzing the implications of what you say in the diary about Gilbert. And to summarize it, it's more than a psychic once met an alien. What it is, is, a classified U.S. group allegedly possesses, or hosts, a living, non-human intelligent being, and they've been operating a systematic, multidisciplinary communication program with it, over time. And Gilbert was brought in as one specialist to conduct controlled communications with it. Do you accept that that's the implication of what you say in the diary?" Vallée: "This is logical in terms of what we know from a long time. What the procedure would be. The structure was...did not go into psychic functioning, you know? The questions that they had been asked were basic physiological, physical questions. They brought [Gilbert] in so that he was authorized to create his own questions and to probe...to see to what extent he could elicit a response that would be a psychic response from that entity. "The question is: At what level do they function? We know we have some ability to function on a psychic level. Some people can practice this better than others. We know from the SRI work by Hal Puthoff and Russell Targ and others that this can be trained. As you know, I was involved in that project to some extent over several years, and with Ingo. So, I went through the procedure with Ingo for an entire year. What Gilbert is describing matches that very well. In other words, there was a procedure." Coulthart: "So, you allude, Jacques, to the fact that Gilbert is, apparently, writing his own book about what he encountered. Can you clarify for me, though, is Gilbert willing to give evidence to the ongoing congressional investigations into this?" (Good on Ross to follow-up because JV didn't answer it the first time.) Coulthart: "There are very few people who are willing to give first-person evidence. And if he's not restrained by classification-security-oaths constraints, what's stopping him from coming forward, even confidentially, to a secure SCIF in the Congress, and giving this evidence?" Vallée: "I cannot answer for him. He has a long career in helping, you know, different projects in a classified setting. So, he's quite capable of answering that. What I know is...I don't know that he is writing a book. There is a project for a series of interviews, and I've participated in that. I've given a few interviews about my own work. But I know he's been part of that project. I don't know how it's going to be released or whether it's going to be released. I'm not part of the business that owns that data." (Well, whatever that is, it really needs to be released. Interviews in written form, or on camera?) Coulthart: "I'm very excited by the Gilbert character, and forgive me for harping on about him. Can I at least clarify, Gilbert is a he." (I'm just as excited. This COULD be HUGE!) Vallée: "I don't want to give away any indication. You know, I have not had communication, recently. I don't know how far that project has gone. It's their project, and there is a boundary to what I can say." Coulthart: "But who are they, Jacques? Like, when you say it's their project, you're talking about the individual known as Gilbert by pseudonym?" Vallée: "And the release of that information. His intent is to release it." Coulthart: "I've got to ask you this, and I appreciate you may not want to disclose, but is the person that you're talking about Keith Harary?" Vallée: "Umm, no. I can definitely tell you it's not Keith." (Later in this interview, JV said he met Gilbert when he (Gilbert) was 22. Out of the public names associated with gifted psychics and remote viewers, Harary comes close. But there's another possibility that I'll let ChatGPT lay out in the 2nd tweet. If you've studied remote viewing, you know the name Keith Harary. If you'd like to read an excellent article written by Keith "Blue" Harary in Psychology Today, here ya go: dot com/us/articles/200411/confessions-of-a-star-psychic ~ Coulthart: "Is it Joe McMoneagle?" Vallée: "[laughs] I shouldn't play... It's an interesting game, but, you know, there are two or three other names." Coulthart: "Joseph McMoneagle, of course, Jacques, as you and I both know, he worked with you at SRI. He was remote viewer number one in the U.S. Army intelligence program." Vallée: "I have enormous amount of respect for Mr. McMoneagle." Coulthart: "So do I. Joe is probably one of the most respected remote viewers known to the U.S. military (JV shakes his head up and down in agreement) and the U.S. intelligence community. And I noted back in Forbidden Science 3, Joe told you about UFO-related material. And Joe talked about how a photograph of a disc had inexplicably disappeared from a classified safe under his sole control. And he you quoted him saying to you, 'There must be a higher level of authority that controls UFO data.' What's going on here, Jacques?" Here's the excerpt from FS V3... "Joe [McMoneagle] once obtained a detailed photograph of a disk. He placed a copy in a locked safe with double combination, a classified safe under his sole control. Yet the photograph vanished. “'There must be a higher level of authority that controls UFO data,' he said, 'a level beyond the folks who run the satellites.'" (The Gatekeepers?) ~ Coulthart: "Clearly, someone - if it's Joe McMoneagle, let's just call them Gilbert. Someone invited Gilbert to a secure facility, presumably, a secure-government facility, yet at the same time we have the government - in the form of AARO, the Pentagon - asserting, blue and blind, that there is absolutely no evidence of extraterrestrial-non-human-intelligence engagement with this planet. We know that's not true. What's going on, sir? You, probably more than anyone, know the answer to that question." Vallée: "It's a central question, of course, and I don't want to make, you know, to treat it in a humorous way. But I recall a conversation with Dr. Hynek when I was working with him back at Northwestern. And I said, 'You know, what does the Air Force say and what does the Air Force think?' And he said, 'Jacques, you have to understand, there is no such thing as the U.S. Air Force. There are projects within the Air Force that do different things.'" (Kind of like when people say, "The GOVERNMENT does this and that." Like the Air Force, the U.S. government is not a monolith. AARO may have had no clue about the Gilbert story, until JV put out V7. Maybe they still don't know?) Vallée: "And that's legitimate. [The USAF] are looking at different parts of, you know, the whole planet, with the tools they have. And they have different opinions about things, and they have budgets to pursue different things with different projects. And many times they don't know about the other project." Coulthart: "Is it possible that Gilbert was being played?" Vallée: "[shakes his head back and forth] No. No." Coulthart: "That he was shown something that was an intention to try and see what a master remote viewer would think of what he was being shown?" Vallée: "He's one of the best psychics in the world today, and has been throughout his career." (It's impossible to know 100% that what Gilbert encountered (assuming this actually happened) was a non-human entity. And even if/when he comes forward, that won't change. We're going to need evidence besides anecdotes.) ~ Coulthart: "So you find him very credible." Vallée: "I met him when he was 22." Coulthart: "What state was the location in, where this facility that he was taken to is located? Did he give you that indication?" Vallée: "I don't know the level of if there is a security wrapper around this. I don't know at what level. So, I've purposely been vague in the book, again." Coulthart: "I got that. Was there a date for the encounter? I think you indicated to me earlier it was about 20 years ago. Is that right?" Vallée: "Yes." Coulthart: "Have you seen any evidence proving that Gilbert was actually at that location? Has he provided you with any substantiating...or corroboration?" Vallée: "No. No. No. And that's why I don't want to go beyond, you know, reporting about that conversation and my trust in the conversation. I have no way of checking this. My own experience would indicate that that kind of thing is happening. Probably (in many places)." (Crosstalk, so I'm not 100% sure on "in many places." And what "experience" is JV talking about?) Coulthart: "Can I ask you a few questions, though? And you don't have to answer these if you're uncomfortable. Did he physically touch the entity?" Vallée: "No." Coulthart: "Was the entity a prisoner?" Vallée: "No. I asked him that question, of course, and he said the entity was a volunteer." (We need all the details on how that happened. Via a crash retrieval? Did it knock on the door one day? Teleport into their lab? Amazon Prime delivery in a REALLY big box with holes in it? 🙂 And why should we trust the entity? My friend added this: "A death-row prisoner agreeing to cooperate with authorities on something could be considered volunteering…but is still a prisoner. Did the being say it’s a volunteer or was it the people at the facility? Do we really have to wait around for a possible book we actually might never see?") ~ Coulthart: "You, intriguingly, talk about, in your diary, captured or volunteer beings. You're clear that this being was there voluntarily?" Vallée: "Yes." Coulthart: "But it suggests that there are other beings that are captured." Vallée: "I don't know. I'm not, you know, fudging here. I really don't know the answer." Coulthart: "Okay. Do you know from Gilbert how long the entity had been with this facility, with the humans?" Vallée: "No, and I asked Gilbert that. He did not know that. He was there just for that one presentation and that was..." Coulthart: "Was the entity alive, in the sense that we think of something being biologically alive?" Vallée: "Yes. Now, I have no doubt, as you know, I'm not an expert about Hollywood, but I've, occasionally, seen what Hollywood could do in terms of special effects. And, of course, everything can be a special effect." (Again, according to JV, Gilbert may have seen, "a test article, a wired uniform or a safety container for the being rather than the body of an actual Alien." So, Gilbert may not know what it actually looked like. Hard to be definitive on what this entity was and we'll need to hear from Gilbert for more details.) Coulthart: "Did Gilbert explain why he, a remote viewer, was required to communicate with the being, if, as you say in the diary, it was communicating with light?" Vallée: "Yes, yes. Because the people in charge were smart enough to understand that the communication that that being was capable of was beyond the... I mean, we have the same thing with whales, you know? Whales can read the inside of your body. I mean, women who were attending to whales, the whale would know they were pregnant before they knew they were pregnant." (That hasn't been proven.) Vallée: "So, those situations are, you know...we have aliens (he smiled and I believe he used quotation marks with his hands) here on Earth in the form of some very intelligent animals that perceive things completely outside our range. So, it's not a new situation." Coulthart: "No, but I think this is the revelation - I think, one of the most important revelations in your latest book - that we are talking here about someone who you accept as telling the truth, who says they were part of what sounds like a U.S. government, U.S. military program, where they were asked to communicate with a non-human being. Can I ask you this, sir? Did conventional spoken language fail, or was it not possible with this being?" Vallée: "The answers were in the form of light configurations." Coulthart: "And so, had we learned, had humans learned how to communicate with it through light?" Vallée: "From what he told me, there was limited knowledge of what was positive and negative. He was asked to only frame questions in a way that where the answer could be yes or no, And that's why there were situations where he said he couldn't understand the answer." (Yes or no questions? I'm gonna assume the entity had no thumbs. Thumbs up? 👍🏽 Thumbs down? 👎🏼 😊) Coulthart: "One of the things you say in your diary - and I've learned to read Jacques Vallee's diaries very, very closely indeed - you say Gilbert's answers matched earlier results. Earlier results from whom, Jacques? I really think this is a very important question. What are you talking about there?" Vallée: "Well, the...you know, my understanding is that there were teams there that had been working with that being and perhaps other beings for a while. I mean, this isn't just a one-off situation. They had a base. Again, I said, 'What were the insignias?' He said, 'They were probably people from different branches of the armed forces there. You know, the people there were experts, men and women, you know, who seemed to be coming and going.' There may have been other labs. You know, he was in one lab." Coulthart: "Is it your understanding that this communication with this being is communicating today? Is it still happening?" Vallée: "I have no way of knowing." Coulthart: "So it was happening 20 years ago, but we don't know if that program is still operating today." Vallée: "What was important to me, again, in terms of what we can derive from the database and from other, you know, all the other contact cases, is that the communication was primarily light, in the form of light."
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😵💫 Grusch: The U.S. Government is Aware of Non-Human, Corporeal-Bipedal, and...Sentient-Plasmoid Life 😬 Real America's Voice (RAV): "Can you confirm for us, how many species? Recent reports have said that there are perhaps four different alien species: Grays, Nordics How many species are you aware of?" David Grusch: "I certainly don't have the compendium. It's a continuum from corporeal-bipedal type life to, you know, what I would consider is like, sentient-plasmoid life. But there are there are several that the U.S. government is aware of."
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"People who are seeing Grays and people who are reporting Reptilians...during near-death experiences. And, abductees, seeing...people who they know are dead." ~Kelleher (Why? Are NHI messing with the afterlife process? Or, is it something less nefarious? I think it's important to figure out.) Dr. Colm Kelleher: "The UFO phenomenon is a continuum between metallic craft, all the way through beings. And then, you've got the survival of consciousness. But at the level of beings, there is a lot of increasing evidence of overlap between near-death experiences. For example, people who are seeing Grays and people who are reporting Reptilians and people who were reporting beings that we talk about as aliens, during near-death experiences. "And conversely, we have people reporting that seeing - during abduction events - people who they know are dead. So, from the perspective of the beings, there are overlap. I mean, there's, obviously, a very long continuum between the metallic craft and the beings."
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![🛸 🔥 Grays vs. Reptilians — or Something Much Stranger? 🔥 🛸 “We’ve documented that.” ~Grusch, on apparent NHI-versus-NHI conflict “Is this some other kind of weird shit?" ~Grusch (That line stood out to me. ⬆️) Grusch - Tic Tac = Reptilians Davis - Tic Tac = Grays (Credit to Grusch for sharing things that most people will immediately reject because it's all so outside of their worldview and sounds crazy. Is it true? Let's hear from the people who claim they experienced this and let's see the photos, reports and videos Grusch says he's seen. Until then, I'm withholding judgment. But it's not as if we haven't heard about Grays, Reptilians, Nordics and others...for decades.) ~ Joe Rogan: "So tell me more about these Reptilians that your friend encountered. They were alive?" David Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "So they were alive post-crash?" Grusch: "Yes." Rogan: "Why do these things keep f*cking crashing?" Grusch: "So, some of it is NHI versus NHI." Rogan: "What?!" Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "They war in the sky?" Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "Isn’t that in the..." Grusch: "You think it’s like, wouldn’t they get along? They’re so advanced. But uh, the...we have records of them f*cking around with each other." Rogan: "Is that in the Mahabharata or the Bhagavad Gita?" Grusch: "I don't know." Rogan: "There’s like, talk about sky wars in ancient Hindu texts." Grusch: "Oh yeah, in the Vedic texts, the blue people. And I know that’s why you asked blue. I don’t recall them being that blue, but, you know." (He's referring to the human-looking cadavers. ⬇️⬇️⬇️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️ ) ~ Rogan: "Right." Grusch: "I got a short little look, I'm like, ten seconds." (Again, talking about the video pan Grusch says he was shown of human-looking cadavers.) Rogan: "Maybe when they’re alive, they’re darker." Grusch: "Well, that is true. There’s like a postmortem change in that affect (appearance/complexion is what he meant)." Rogan: "Sure, like people." Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "That’s what happens with people." Grusch: "That is true, because, you know, as they were struggling and then died, obviously, their affect changed (Cross-talk so I can't make out the last few words. Maybe, "looked like sh*t.")." Rogan: "Now, this friend that encountered Rep[tilian]... First of all, we’ll go to the Greek-god people first. What did their craft look like?" Grusch: "Uhh. boomerang, crescent moon, usually. Not all the time. It’s kind of like, once I go back, some people like to drive the Porsche 911. That tends to be - not all the time - but that’s what they like to roll up in [shrugs]." (What type of sources does he have for that? How many?) Rogan: "They talk about them as the Tall Whites." Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "Were they tall? Were they large?" Grusch: "They looked tall to me. I didn’t have..." Rogan: "Hard to tell because you don’t..." Grusch: "I didn’t have a ground reference, really. I would say at least human size. They could be like..." Rogan: "Just looked very similar to humans to you." Grusch: Yeah, they could be, my big ass is 6'6", but, like, they looked big." Rogan: "Similar to humans?" Grusch: "I think so. And, there might be taller... Once again, I’m sure there’s other stuff I don’t know about. I’m sure there’s other variants of them, too, that look more towards, like, the classic um... What is it in ufology, like, Nordic or, you know, Tall Whites - that are probably even taller." (He's sure there are other variants of the human-looking beings ? Based on what? Is that speculation or did he hear or read about that from a credible source, or sources? And I'm not talking about civilian reports.) Grusch: "If some of those experiencer stories are true, which, once again, as long as that source is credible, that might be a thing. So, I think we need to be prepared to kind of...that being a thing. I don’t know, So, yeah." (As long as which source is credible? Each individual experiencer, or the source(s) he (Grusch) dealt with?) Rogan: "Yeah, that makes sense. Now, the Reptilian craft, what did that thing look like?" Grusch: "That one is Tic Tac-looking." Rogan: "Uh-oh." Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "I was hoping they were the cool ones." Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "The Reptilian ones are the ones that everyone’s terrified of." Grusch: "Yeah, and once again, like, we’re doing like... And, of course, it’s not always the Tic Tac. Once again, kind of like, what I said, but, like, that tends to be them. From what I understand...obviously, hopefully I’m not wrong, but I’m, you know, pretty good sourcing on that." (Tends to be them? So the Reptilians sometimes ride in Tic Tacs, but other times they ride in craft that have different shapes or configurations? Or, are the Tic Tacs usually piloted by Reptilians but other times piloted by other types of beings? Why do I ask? ⬇️) ~~~ H/T: Neil Goodman for also noting this. Here's Dr. Eric Davis in the "Age of the Disclosure," released in November of 2025. Dr. Eric Davis: "We have seen highly-credible, U.S. government intelligence on the Soviet recovery of a crashed UAP in 1989. They recovered a Tic Tac-shaped UAP that was twice as big as the Tic Tac that was encountered by the USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group, and they did recover four bodies of humanoid aliens. The Soviet scientists took apart the recovered craft and discovered a very advanced directed-energy weapon." ~ And this is from "Moment of Contact: New Revelations of Alien Encounters," released in December of 2025... James Fox: "Put me wherever you were when you got to see photographs of crash retrieval and documents. What did that feel like?" "Dr. Eric Davis: "That was startling, when I actually see recorded evidence with my own eyes. Photographs, reports, and whatnot. I can tell you, yeah, it's a crash retrieval, there's a craft, and there's alien bodies. That's all I can say about it." ~ (And finally, this, from an interview Josh Golembeske (Josh Golembeske) did with Dr. Eric Davis in July of 2026.) Josh: "Is that the one you saw in the photos, the Grays?" Davis: "Yeah. Yeah. This was foreign intelligence collected so this is a foreign crash, and that's classified, so I can't get into that. But the photos I saw came from the site of a foreign crash retrieval during the Cold War." Sourced here: ~ (If those comments refer to the same Soviet retrieval — and I'm connecting dots here — Davis appears to be saying the Tic Tac-shaped craft contained Gray bodies. Where does that leave us with what Grusch said about the preferred craft of the Reptilians being a Tic Tac?) ~~~Back to Grusch on Rogan~~~ Grusch: "When you see, like, malevolent behavior, right? It’s like, well, that’s a humanistic lens. You’re seeing, like, an animal-lash-out-in-captivity kind of thing. Or they’re in duress, they’re having an emotional experience, et cetera. And it’s like, you know, are they actually scary, or is it just because of the situations we’ve been in with them? And so, we’re kind of biased and all that. So, yeah." (In other words, the Reptilians might not be so scary and "malevolent" if we encountered them in a different situation. There are reports of positive encounters with Reptilians. Like this... ⬇️ ~ Rogan: "And so, these Reptilians, what did they look like?" Grusch: "Now, I’ve never seen that, personally." Rogan: "Right, but what did your friend describe them as?" Grusch: "But, it’s like, very, almost like, um, seven-foot-tall-plus, uh, sort of gorilla-looking, scaly skin, though." Rogan: "Gorilla-looking...reptile gorillas?" Grusch: "But there’s multiple types. There’s ones that are more humanoid-looking, so." (What's he basing that on?) Rogan: "There’s multiple types of Reptilians?" Grusch: "Yeah, and I’m not an expert on that one. That’s, once again, I never saw it in person to get the exact, you know, description." Rogan: "See if there’s an artist rendition (laughs)." Producer: "I'm looking already." Rogan: "Of course you are." Grusch: "Yeah, and once again, it sounds so schizo." Rogan: "It does (laughs). A gorilla with scales." Grusch: "Like, even for me, as an ex, deep-state intel officer, I’m like, I cannot f*cking believe I’m talking about this shit on Joe Rogan." Rogan: "Seven-foot-tall, scaly gorilla (laughs)." Grusch: "I know. I mean, it sounds schizo. And it’s like, coming from somebody like me, you know, who is a credible person and has been in government, it’s like, I’m gonna be that guy. I’m gonna be that guy. And then, like, down the road, people will review Joe Rogan and he’s like, 'That motherf*cker, we thought he was crazy, but, what do you know? You know, it’s true.'” (Time may tell.) Rogan: "Well, of course, if there are things from somewhere else, you’re going to sound crazy describing any of it." Grusch: "Because it’s so outside my experience, because I never had some kind of woo thing growing up or some sort of interaction with the phenomenon. So, it feels so outside my personal comfort level and experience because I’m relying on the personal experience of others, you know, audio/visual stuff." Rogan: "Yes." Grusch: "And it still feels like I’m watching a movie. Like, it’s like, “Is that...is it real?” I mean, I know it is, but, like, I have a cognitive dissonance a little bit, you know? So," (I'd think that most of the world will have cognitive dissonance if this is ever proven to be real.) Rogan: "And how were you able to watch this video? Do they have to put you into a secret room?" Grusch: "Yeah, I won’t get into the exact way it went down, but, uh, we’ll just say it was kind of sketchy, but...to keep everybody safe." Rogan: "And so, there apparently is NHI-versus-NHI warfare?" Grusch: "We’ve documented that." Rogan: "Documented it?" Grusch: "In collection. Well, what we perceive as warfare. So, unless it’s something..." (I'd love to see what intel has been collected and how many sources and incidents are involved.) Rogan: "Conflict?" Grusch: "Yeah, it looks like conflict, it smells like conflict. Is this some other kind of weird sh*t? I don’t know. And there’s maybe an assessment on that, but it..." ("Is this some other weird sh*t?" is an important comment from Grusch, IMO. It shows he's using his analytical mind (like all of us should be doing) and not accepting things at face value. Is it two NHI species at war with each other, or is that just what something wants us to think?) ~~~ "We're part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extraterrestrial invasion." ~Terence McKenna “I think it’s something so bizarre that it actually masquerades as an extraterrestrial so as not to alarm us by the true implications of what it is.” ~Terence McKenna "I discussed this once with an entity and it said to me, 'Well, you know, we've disguised ourselves as an extraterrestrial invasion so as to not alarm people with what's really going on.'" ~Terence McKenna What did he mean by that? McKenna: "What I meant by that was that an alien invasion is a myth of our culture. Since the 50’s we’ve had the example of The Day the Earth Stood Still and When Worlds Collide right on up through that television series which I didn’t see, where they changed all the Nazis to aliens and then it was a huge success. So alien invasion is a piece of our cultural toolbox, but that’s not what’s happening. What’s happening is something… less easy to name than 'alien invader' is reaching out toward us. It could be the Gaian Mind, it could be the Oversoul of humanity… I don’t think it comes from the distant stars — it knows us too well, and loves us too much. It could come from the dead. Now that’s what I mean by something weirder than an alien invasion. An alien invasion compared to a collective mass contact by the dear departed is pretty mundane stuff. "So, whatever this thing is, it keeps itself masked. So what I mean is that our journey through time, our historical journey to this moment, has not been unaccompanied. We have always been accompanied by this thing. The Demiurgos — some people just throw down their cards and call it God and be done with it. I’m not ready for that, because I don’t think it’s the God who 'hung the stars like lamps in Heaven,' as Milton said. It’s not that God. If it is a god, it’s the god of Biology. And I don’t have any problem with that." He adds more and I'll link to that in the replies. Then we have this from 1970 and John Keel's "Operation Trojan Horse." ~Begin OTH Excerpt~ Whatever "it" is, it is often inimical (tending to obstruct or harm. ~Joe) to the human race, and the manifestations range from childish mischief to acts of horrifying destruction. The phenomenon has driven many people mad; but it has also produced miraculous cures. A cosmic system of checks & balances seems to be an actual fact. There are now well-documented cases of people being seriously injured, even killed, by flying saucers. But there are equally well-documented events in which the mysterious objects and their enterprising occupants have interceded directly in human affairs and thwarted disaster. Many flying saucers seem to be nothing more than a disguise for some hidden phenomenon. They are like Trojan horses descending into our forests and farm fields, promising salvation and offering us the splendor of some great super-civilization in the sky. But while the statuesque long-haired “Venusians” have been chatting benignly with isolated traveling salesmen and farm wives, a multitude of shimmering lights and metallic disks have been silently busying themselves in the forests of Canada, the Outback country of Australia, and the swamps of Michigan. Before we can find any answers, we must first find the right questions to ask. We must understand the exact nature of these visitors, and of ourselves. I also believe that this same phenomenon is flexible to an unbelievable degree. It can create and manipulate matter through electromagnetic fields above and below the range of our perceptions and our own technical equipment. The phenomenon is mostly invisible to us because it consists of energy rather than solid earthly matter. It is guided by a great intelligence and has concentrated itself in the areas of magnetic faults throughout history. It makes itself visible to us from time to time by manipulating patterns of frequency. It can take any form it desires, ranging from the shapes of airplanes to gigantic cylindrical spaceships. It can manifest itself into seemingly living entities ranging from little green men to awesome one-eyed giants. But none of these configurations is its true form. The UFO sighting data confirm this theory, but we lack the necessary technology to prove it conclusively. There are thousands of microscopic life forms in a drop of water. You can’t see them, feel them, or taste them because they are too small. A teenaged boy with a cheap microscope can peer into that drop of water and invade the privacy of those microbes. But the microbes don’t know he is there. They swim about in their liquid environment totally unaware that their tiny world is actually an insignificant part of a much larger, and very different, whole. Our world may also be part of something bigger, something beyond our senses and abilities to comprehend. That bigger something is undoubtedly made of energies, too. But energies of a different frequency, forming atoms radically different from the atoms of our own world. These energies could coexist with us and even share the same space without our becoming acutely aware of them. The evidence we have outlined in this book does clearly point to this unperceived coexistence, and now we must come to terms with "it" or "them" or the Great Whatzit in the sky. This intelligence is able to manipulate energy. It can, quite literally, manipulate any kind of object into existence on our plane. (Assuming what Grusch says is true, and there's evidence of conflict between different NHI, is the phenomenon able to manipulate energy and create multiple physical craft and "species" into existence, and make them appear to battle so that we think it's the Grays vs. the Reptilians? Or is it actually a battle between the Grays and Reptilians? I don't know, but I'd love to hear what Keel would have thought.) Back to Keel's OTH... There have been many bewildering accounts of shell-like objects with no visible means of propulsion, no signs of any kinds of technology. Contactee Reinhold Schmidt’s German-speaking ufonauts, who invited him aboard their saucer in Nebraska in 1957, didn’t walk but glided across the floor of their spaceship as if they were on roller skates. Other sober and baffled witnesses have described how the UFO occupants seemed to fly from the ground to their waiting saucers. Still others have claimed that the ufonauts simply walked through the sides of their craft like ghosts. In story after story we have testimonial proof that the objects and their occupants are not made of normal substances. The hard (seemingly solid) objects are another problem. Bullets have been fired at them and have ricocheted off. They sometimes leave imprints on the ground where they land. If they are the product of a superior intelligence with an advanced technology, they seem to be suffering from faulty workmanship. (Maybe Keel would differentiate between "soft" objects and beings allegedly manipulated into existence by the phenomenon, and hard, physical objects and beings allegedly recovered, captured, and sometimes killed, at crash sites? Maybe there are multiple intelligences at work here? One that is physical and one that is not physical but can mimic the one (or other ones) that IS physical? 😵💫) More from OTH... Since 1896 there have been hundreds of reports in which lone witnesses have stumbled onto grounded hard objects being repaired by their pilots. In flight, they have an astounding habit of losing pieces of metal. They seem to be ill-made, always falling apart, frequently exploding in midair. There are so many of these incidents that we must wonder if they aren’t really deliberate. Maybe they are meant to foster the belief that the objects are real and mechanical. In the foregoing I have tried to demonstrate how the soft objects seem to be directly related to the electromagnetic spectrum. This is hardly a new theory. Not only have the occultists, spiritualists, and religionists been telling us about frequencies, vibrations, and the color spectrum for centuries, but modern researchers such as Dr. Meade Layne worked all of this out years ago. Dr. Layne evolved a theory of mat' and 'demat; (materialization and dematerialization) of extradimensional objects. His findings were privately published and not very widely circulated. Others, such as British ufologist Harold T. Wilkins, also worked this out and published books about it in the early 1950s. But the spectrum theory lacks the strong emotional appeal of the extraterrestrial thesis. There is a rather curious entry in Project Blue Book Report No. 14 (1955) on page 295. In the section showing how various sightings are classified, "number 8 in Code 79-80 Final Identification is "Electromagnetic Phenomenon." This is crossed out (the report was reproduced by photo offset), and the now well-known classification of "Unknown" was substituted." ~~~End OTH Excerpt~~~ (If, as Grusch says, there were situations where Reptilians injured and killed humans, and humans defended themselves by killing Reptilians, that throws another major wrinkle into this. If it walks, talks and growls like a Reptilian...) Rogan: "And when this Reptilian craft crashed, the assumption was that it was some sort of conflict?" Grusch: "Correct." Rogan: "Because I would imagine that they’re the ones you’d have to worry about." Grusch: "Correct, because there was dead...uh, dead Grays there, too. So, yeah." Rogan: Oh. So the Grays and the Reptilians were duking it out?" Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "Noo." Grusch: "I guess! I guess! You know. You know, I know the people who were there, and..." Rogan: "This sounds fucking insane, David (laughs)." Grusch: "It sounds fucking crazy. And once again, I don’t want to get into too many specifics, because this is a very unique...there’s a couple unique retrievals out there that, to protect the innocent, and people that have risked their f*cking lives. Because a lot of the people that came to me with that kind of information, I mean, they were physically threatened like me and all that. And so, like, me going public was taking it for the team because I was able to create this umbrella of tacit, you know, protection in case somebody got f*cked with. Now, unfortunately, you know, my friend Matt (Sullivan), who knows what happened to him, but, you know, tragically he died, you know, mysteriously, so..." ~ "When people like Matthew Sullivan die in the way he did, unexpectedly, just before he was going to testify, I think that reaches the threshold that you say, 'Yeah, somebody should look at this.'" ~Christopher K. Mellon (And elsewhere in this Rogan interview, Grusch says Sullivan was part of the Legacy UAP program.) ~ Rogan: "Now, these Reptilians, what was their craft like?" Grusch: "Oh, like I said..." Rogan: "The Tic Tac." Grusch: "The Tic Tac stuff." Rogan: "And was their craft crashed into the ground, like broken up?" Grusch: "Yeah, yeah." Rogan: "Okay." Grusch: "It was like wedged into a hill." Rogan: "Like, had it been hit with something?" Grusch: "Um, I don’t remember exactly what happened in that regard, but it did crash, so. And I don’t want to misspeak on what exactly happened, so." (I'm going to go through the Grusch clips I shared in a future YT video.)](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2106817044981367295/amplify_video_thumb/2106816629791469568/img/YJFZwqyEKISu5y2Y.jpg)
🛸 🔥 Grays vs. Reptilians — or Something Much Stranger? 🔥 🛸 “We’ve documented that.” ~Grusch, on apparent NHI-versus-NHI conflict “Is this some other kind of weird shit?" ~Grusch (That line stood out to me. ⬆️) Grusch - Tic Tac = Reptilians Davis - Tic Tac = Grays (Credit to Grusch for sharing things that most people will immediately reject because it's all so outside of their worldview and sounds crazy. Is it true? Let's hear from the people who claim they experienced this and let's see the photos, reports and videos Grusch says he's seen. Until then, I'm withholding judgment. But it's not as if we haven't heard about Grays, Reptilians, Nordics and others...for decades.) ~ Joe Rogan: "So tell me more about these Reptilians that your friend encountered. They were alive?" David Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "So they were alive post-crash?" Grusch: "Yes." Rogan: "Why do these things keep f*cking crashing?" Grusch: "So, some of it is NHI versus NHI." Rogan: "What?!" Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "They war in the sky?" Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "Isn’t that in the..." Grusch: "You think it’s like, wouldn’t they get along? They’re so advanced. But uh, the...we have records of them f*cking around with each other." Rogan: "Is that in the Mahabharata or the Bhagavad Gita?" Grusch: "I don't know." Rogan: "There’s like, talk about sky wars in ancient Hindu texts." Grusch: "Oh yeah, in the Vedic texts, the blue people. And I know that’s why you asked blue. I don’t recall them being that blue, but, you know." (He's referring to the human-looking cadavers. ⬇️⬇️⬇️ ⬆️⬆️⬆️ ) ~ Rogan: "Right." Grusch: "I got a short little look, I'm like, ten seconds." (Again, talking about the video pan Grusch says he was shown of human-looking cadavers.) Rogan: "Maybe when they’re alive, they’re darker." Grusch: "Well, that is true. There’s like a postmortem change in that affect (appearance/complexion is what he meant)." Rogan: "Sure, like people." Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "That’s what happens with people." Grusch: "That is true, because, you know, as they were struggling and then died, obviously, their affect changed (Cross-talk so I can't make out the last few words. Maybe, "looked like sh*t.")." Rogan: "Now, this friend that encountered Rep[tilian]... First of all, we’ll go to the Greek-god people first. What did their craft look like?" Grusch: "Uhh. boomerang, crescent moon, usually. Not all the time. It’s kind of like, once I go back, some people like to drive the Porsche 911. That tends to be - not all the time - but that’s what they like to roll up in [shrugs]." (What type of sources does he have for that? How many?) Rogan: "They talk about them as the Tall Whites." Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "Were they tall? Were they large?" Grusch: "They looked tall to me. I didn’t have..." Rogan: "Hard to tell because you don’t..." Grusch: "I didn’t have a ground reference, really. I would say at least human size. They could be like..." Rogan: "Just looked very similar to humans to you." Grusch: Yeah, they could be, my big ass is 6'6", but, like, they looked big." Rogan: "Similar to humans?" Grusch: "I think so. And, there might be taller... Once again, I’m sure there’s other stuff I don’t know about. I’m sure there’s other variants of them, too, that look more towards, like, the classic um... What is it in ufology, like, Nordic or, you know, Tall Whites - that are probably even taller." (He's sure there are other variants of the human-looking beings ? Based on what? Is that speculation or did he hear or read about that from a credible source, or sources? And I'm not talking about civilian reports.) Grusch: "If some of those experiencer stories are true, which, once again, as long as that source is credible, that might be a thing. So, I think we need to be prepared to kind of...that being a thing. I don’t know, So, yeah." (As long as which source is credible? Each individual experiencer, or the source(s) he (Grusch) dealt with?) Rogan: "Yeah, that makes sense. Now, the Reptilian craft, what did that thing look like?" Grusch: "That one is Tic Tac-looking." Rogan: "Uh-oh." Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "I was hoping they were the cool ones." Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "The Reptilian ones are the ones that everyone’s terrified of." Grusch: "Yeah, and once again, like, we’re doing like... And, of course, it’s not always the Tic Tac. Once again, kind of like, what I said, but, like, that tends to be them. From what I understand...obviously, hopefully I’m not wrong, but I’m, you know, pretty good sourcing on that." (Tends to be them? So the Reptilians sometimes ride in Tic Tacs, but other times they ride in craft that have different shapes or configurations? Or, are the Tic Tacs usually piloted by Reptilians but other times piloted by other types of beings? Why do I ask? ⬇️) ~~~ H/T: Neil Goodman for also noting this. Here's Dr. Eric Davis in the "Age of the Disclosure," released in November of 2025. Dr. Eric Davis: "We have seen highly-credible, U.S. government intelligence on the Soviet recovery of a crashed UAP in 1989. They recovered a Tic Tac-shaped UAP that was twice as big as the Tic Tac that was encountered by the USS Nimitz Carrier Strike Group, and they did recover four bodies of humanoid aliens. The Soviet scientists took apart the recovered craft and discovered a very advanced directed-energy weapon." ~ And this is from "Moment of Contact: New Revelations of Alien Encounters," released in December of 2025... James Fox: "Put me wherever you were when you got to see photographs of crash retrieval and documents. What did that feel like?" "Dr. Eric Davis: "That was startling, when I actually see recorded evidence with my own eyes. Photographs, reports, and whatnot. I can tell you, yeah, it's a crash retrieval, there's a craft, and there's alien bodies. That's all I can say about it." ~ (And finally, this, from an interview Josh Golembeske (Josh Golembeske) did with Dr. Eric Davis in July of 2026.) Josh: "Is that the one you saw in the photos, the Grays?" Davis: "Yeah. Yeah. This was foreign intelligence collected so this is a foreign crash, and that's classified, so I can't get into that. But the photos I saw came from the site of a foreign crash retrieval during the Cold War." Sourced here: ~ (If those comments refer to the same Soviet retrieval — and I'm connecting dots here — Davis appears to be saying the Tic Tac-shaped craft contained Gray bodies. Where does that leave us with what Grusch said about the preferred craft of the Reptilians being a Tic Tac?) ~~~Back to Grusch on Rogan~~~ Grusch: "When you see, like, malevolent behavior, right? It’s like, well, that’s a humanistic lens. You’re seeing, like, an animal-lash-out-in-captivity kind of thing. Or they’re in duress, they’re having an emotional experience, et cetera. And it’s like, you know, are they actually scary, or is it just because of the situations we’ve been in with them? And so, we’re kind of biased and all that. So, yeah." (In other words, the Reptilians might not be so scary and "malevolent" if we encountered them in a different situation. There are reports of positive encounters with Reptilians. Like this... ⬇️ ~ Rogan: "And so, these Reptilians, what did they look like?" Grusch: "Now, I’ve never seen that, personally." Rogan: "Right, but what did your friend describe them as?" Grusch: "But, it’s like, very, almost like, um, seven-foot-tall-plus, uh, sort of gorilla-looking, scaly skin, though." Rogan: "Gorilla-looking...reptile gorillas?" Grusch: "But there’s multiple types. There’s ones that are more humanoid-looking, so." (What's he basing that on?) Rogan: "There’s multiple types of Reptilians?" Grusch: "Yeah, and I’m not an expert on that one. That’s, once again, I never saw it in person to get the exact, you know, description." Rogan: "See if there’s an artist rendition (laughs)." Producer: "I'm looking already." Rogan: "Of course you are." Grusch: "Yeah, and once again, it sounds so schizo." Rogan: "It does (laughs). A gorilla with scales." Grusch: "Like, even for me, as an ex, deep-state intel officer, I’m like, I cannot f*cking believe I’m talking about this shit on Joe Rogan." Rogan: "Seven-foot-tall, scaly gorilla (laughs)." Grusch: "I know. I mean, it sounds schizo. And it’s like, coming from somebody like me, you know, who is a credible person and has been in government, it’s like, I’m gonna be that guy. I’m gonna be that guy. And then, like, down the road, people will review Joe Rogan and he’s like, 'That motherf*cker, we thought he was crazy, but, what do you know? You know, it’s true.'” (Time may tell.) Rogan: "Well, of course, if there are things from somewhere else, you’re going to sound crazy describing any of it." Grusch: "Because it’s so outside my experience, because I never had some kind of woo thing growing up or some sort of interaction with the phenomenon. So, it feels so outside my personal comfort level and experience because I’m relying on the personal experience of others, you know, audio/visual stuff." Rogan: "Yes." Grusch: "And it still feels like I’m watching a movie. Like, it’s like, “Is that...is it real?” I mean, I know it is, but, like, I have a cognitive dissonance a little bit, you know? So," (I'd think that most of the world will have cognitive dissonance if this is ever proven to be real.) Rogan: "And how were you able to watch this video? Do they have to put you into a secret room?" Grusch: "Yeah, I won’t get into the exact way it went down, but, uh, we’ll just say it was kind of sketchy, but...to keep everybody safe." Rogan: "And so, there apparently is NHI-versus-NHI warfare?" Grusch: "We’ve documented that." Rogan: "Documented it?" Grusch: "In collection. Well, what we perceive as warfare. So, unless it’s something..." (I'd love to see what intel has been collected and how many sources and incidents are involved.) Rogan: "Conflict?" Grusch: "Yeah, it looks like conflict, it smells like conflict. Is this some other kind of weird sh*t? I don’t know. And there’s maybe an assessment on that, but it..." ("Is this some other weird sh*t?" is an important comment from Grusch, IMO. It shows he's using his analytical mind (like all of us should be doing) and not accepting things at face value. Is it two NHI species at war with each other, or is that just what something wants us to think?) ~~~ "We're part of a symbiotic relationship with something which disguises itself as an extraterrestrial invasion." ~Terence McKenna “I think it’s something so bizarre that it actually masquerades as an extraterrestrial so as not to alarm us by the true implications of what it is.” ~Terence McKenna "I discussed this once with an entity and it said to me, 'Well, you know, we've disguised ourselves as an extraterrestrial invasion so as to not alarm people with what's really going on.'" ~Terence McKenna What did he mean by that? McKenna: "What I meant by that was that an alien invasion is a myth of our culture. Since the 50’s we’ve had the example of The Day the Earth Stood Still and When Worlds Collide right on up through that television series which I didn’t see, where they changed all the Nazis to aliens and then it was a huge success. So alien invasion is a piece of our cultural toolbox, but that’s not what’s happening. What’s happening is something… less easy to name than 'alien invader' is reaching out toward us. It could be the Gaian Mind, it could be the Oversoul of humanity… I don’t think it comes from the distant stars — it knows us too well, and loves us too much. It could come from the dead. Now that’s what I mean by something weirder than an alien invasion. An alien invasion compared to a collective mass contact by the dear departed is pretty mundane stuff. "So, whatever this thing is, it keeps itself masked. So what I mean is that our journey through time, our historical journey to this moment, has not been unaccompanied. We have always been accompanied by this thing. The Demiurgos — some people just throw down their cards and call it God and be done with it. I’m not ready for that, because I don’t think it’s the God who 'hung the stars like lamps in Heaven,' as Milton said. It’s not that God. If it is a god, it’s the god of Biology. And I don’t have any problem with that." He adds more and I'll link to that in the replies. Then we have this from 1970 and John Keel's "Operation Trojan Horse." ~Begin OTH Excerpt~ Whatever "it" is, it is often inimical (tending to obstruct or harm. ~Joe) to the human race, and the manifestations range from childish mischief to acts of horrifying destruction. The phenomenon has driven many people mad; but it has also produced miraculous cures. A cosmic system of checks & balances seems to be an actual fact. There are now well-documented cases of people being seriously injured, even killed, by flying saucers. But there are equally well-documented events in which the mysterious objects and their enterprising occupants have interceded directly in human affairs and thwarted disaster. Many flying saucers seem to be nothing more than a disguise for some hidden phenomenon. They are like Trojan horses descending into our forests and farm fields, promising salvation and offering us the splendor of some great super-civilization in the sky. But while the statuesque long-haired “Venusians” have been chatting benignly with isolated traveling salesmen and farm wives, a multitude of shimmering lights and metallic disks have been silently busying themselves in the forests of Canada, the Outback country of Australia, and the swamps of Michigan. Before we can find any answers, we must first find the right questions to ask. We must understand the exact nature of these visitors, and of ourselves. I also believe that this same phenomenon is flexible to an unbelievable degree. It can create and manipulate matter through electromagnetic fields above and below the range of our perceptions and our own technical equipment. The phenomenon is mostly invisible to us because it consists of energy rather than solid earthly matter. It is guided by a great intelligence and has concentrated itself in the areas of magnetic faults throughout history. It makes itself visible to us from time to time by manipulating patterns of frequency. It can take any form it desires, ranging from the shapes of airplanes to gigantic cylindrical spaceships. It can manifest itself into seemingly living entities ranging from little green men to awesome one-eyed giants. But none of these configurations is its true form. The UFO sighting data confirm this theory, but we lack the necessary technology to prove it conclusively. There are thousands of microscopic life forms in a drop of water. You can’t see them, feel them, or taste them because they are too small. A teenaged boy with a cheap microscope can peer into that drop of water and invade the privacy of those microbes. But the microbes don’t know he is there. They swim about in their liquid environment totally unaware that their tiny world is actually an insignificant part of a much larger, and very different, whole. Our world may also be part of something bigger, something beyond our senses and abilities to comprehend. That bigger something is undoubtedly made of energies, too. But energies of a different frequency, forming atoms radically different from the atoms of our own world. These energies could coexist with us and even share the same space without our becoming acutely aware of them. The evidence we have outlined in this book does clearly point to this unperceived coexistence, and now we must come to terms with "it" or "them" or the Great Whatzit in the sky. This intelligence is able to manipulate energy. It can, quite literally, manipulate any kind of object into existence on our plane. (Assuming what Grusch says is true, and there's evidence of conflict between different NHI, is the phenomenon able to manipulate energy and create multiple physical craft and "species" into existence, and make them appear to battle so that we think it's the Grays vs. the Reptilians? Or is it actually a battle between the Grays and Reptilians? I don't know, but I'd love to hear what Keel would have thought.) Back to Keel's OTH... There have been many bewildering accounts of shell-like objects with no visible means of propulsion, no signs of any kinds of technology. Contactee Reinhold Schmidt’s German-speaking ufonauts, who invited him aboard their saucer in Nebraska in 1957, didn’t walk but glided across the floor of their spaceship as if they were on roller skates. Other sober and baffled witnesses have described how the UFO occupants seemed to fly from the ground to their waiting saucers. Still others have claimed that the ufonauts simply walked through the sides of their craft like ghosts. In story after story we have testimonial proof that the objects and their occupants are not made of normal substances. The hard (seemingly solid) objects are another problem. Bullets have been fired at them and have ricocheted off. They sometimes leave imprints on the ground where they land. If they are the product of a superior intelligence with an advanced technology, they seem to be suffering from faulty workmanship. (Maybe Keel would differentiate between "soft" objects and beings allegedly manipulated into existence by the phenomenon, and hard, physical objects and beings allegedly recovered, captured, and sometimes killed, at crash sites? Maybe there are multiple intelligences at work here? One that is physical and one that is not physical but can mimic the one (or other ones) that IS physical? 😵💫) More from OTH... Since 1896 there have been hundreds of reports in which lone witnesses have stumbled onto grounded hard objects being repaired by their pilots. In flight, they have an astounding habit of losing pieces of metal. They seem to be ill-made, always falling apart, frequently exploding in midair. There are so many of these incidents that we must wonder if they aren’t really deliberate. Maybe they are meant to foster the belief that the objects are real and mechanical. In the foregoing I have tried to demonstrate how the soft objects seem to be directly related to the electromagnetic spectrum. This is hardly a new theory. Not only have the occultists, spiritualists, and religionists been telling us about frequencies, vibrations, and the color spectrum for centuries, but modern researchers such as Dr. Meade Layne worked all of this out years ago. Dr. Layne evolved a theory of mat' and 'demat; (materialization and dematerialization) of extradimensional objects. His findings were privately published and not very widely circulated. Others, such as British ufologist Harold T. Wilkins, also worked this out and published books about it in the early 1950s. But the spectrum theory lacks the strong emotional appeal of the extraterrestrial thesis. There is a rather curious entry in Project Blue Book Report No. 14 (1955) on page 295. In the section showing how various sightings are classified, "number 8 in Code 79-80 Final Identification is "Electromagnetic Phenomenon." This is crossed out (the report was reproduced by photo offset), and the now well-known classification of "Unknown" was substituted." ~~~End OTH Excerpt~~~ (If, as Grusch says, there were situations where Reptilians injured and killed humans, and humans defended themselves by killing Reptilians, that throws another major wrinkle into this. If it walks, talks and growls like a Reptilian...) Rogan: "And when this Reptilian craft crashed, the assumption was that it was some sort of conflict?" Grusch: "Correct." Rogan: "Because I would imagine that they’re the ones you’d have to worry about." Grusch: "Correct, because there was dead...uh, dead Grays there, too. So, yeah." Rogan: Oh. So the Grays and the Reptilians were duking it out?" Grusch: "Yeah." Rogan: "Noo." Grusch: "I guess! I guess! You know. You know, I know the people who were there, and..." Rogan: "This sounds fucking insane, David (laughs)." Grusch: "It sounds fucking crazy. And once again, I don’t want to get into too many specifics, because this is a very unique...there’s a couple unique retrievals out there that, to protect the innocent, and people that have risked their f*cking lives. Because a lot of the people that came to me with that kind of information, I mean, they were physically threatened like me and all that. And so, like, me going public was taking it for the team because I was able to create this umbrella of tacit, you know, protection in case somebody got f*cked with. Now, unfortunately, you know, my friend Matt (Sullivan), who knows what happened to him, but, you know, tragically he died, you know, mysteriously, so..." ~ "When people like Matthew Sullivan die in the way he did, unexpectedly, just before he was going to testify, I think that reaches the threshold that you say, 'Yeah, somebody should look at this.'" ~Christopher K. Mellon (And elsewhere in this Rogan interview, Grusch says Sullivan was part of the Legacy UAP program.) ~ Rogan: "Now, these Reptilians, what was their craft like?" Grusch: "Oh, like I said..." Rogan: "The Tic Tac." Grusch: "The Tic Tac stuff." Rogan: "And was their craft crashed into the ground, like broken up?" Grusch: "Yeah, yeah." Rogan: "Okay." Grusch: "It was like wedged into a hill." Rogan: "Like, had it been hit with something?" Grusch: "Um, I don’t remember exactly what happened in that regard, but it did crash, so. And I don’t want to misspeak on what exactly happened, so." (I'm going to go through the Grusch clips I shared in a future YT video.)
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![UFO Revolution: S2E3 - 2027 and the Approaching Craft. Is it a Lie? "You're gonna be told that there is a craft on its way to Earth. That 100 f**king percent is the lie you are going to be told." ~Corbell (Well, I was not expecting this. And right now, I don't know what to think. But we all know it's been hinted at by various folks, including Lue Elizondo. So what's going on?) ~ Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell: "Your government now wants you to know one truth, and that truth is that UFOs are real. They've already done told you. Sometimes, when you want somebody to know a truth, it's so you can set them up to believe a lie, and that's coming. I have zero doubt that lie is coming." Producer: "What is the lie?" Corbell: "Specifically, you want me to say it right now, for real, real? On camera, to be put in the show?" Producer: "Yes." Corbell: "Okay. Problem with that: If we tell the lie before it's told, they can adapt. That wouldn't be wise. I'll tell you privately, but I would really think about if you want to put this in your show. For real. That's a real thing I'm telling you. So, will you think about it before putting it in your show?" Producer: "Absolutely." Corbell: "Okay. So UFOs are real, and they've been here a long time, and that's the truth. But the lie is coming. All indications, like ALL of them, is that that lie is going to be that there is a craft slowly making its way to us here on Earth. And that is the lie they're gonna want you to believe. "It's nuanced, how they explain that, the nature of that threat. But that 100 f**king percent is the lie you are going to be told. You even got a date. People been whispering a date for a long time now. I know where that lie comes from. I know, specifically, what document from the 70s initiated the idea of that lie. A classified document. That is the lie you will be told. You're gonna be told that there is a craft on its way to Earth. That's the lie. "Maybe I'm wrong. Hope I'm wrong. I sent you two texts today with a year (Messages showing 2027 are shown on a cell phone). Not from me. Nope, I'm not gonna propagate that lie. I'm not gonna be part of it, I'm not going to say it to the camera. Everybody knows. Just start paying attention. And they'll change the date - especially if they see this - things will change. Because maybe I'm trustworthy, maybe I'm worthy of your trust, maybe I've told you the truth the whole way through it and now and you can verify it. If that's the case, then I'm f**king dangerous. "You've been told the truth about UFOs for a long time now. It's been pretty orchestrated, it's been pretty clear, and it's using people that are telling the truth and wanna tell the truth. Ultimately, they want you to know something. They want you to know UFOs are real. Thank God, we're finally there, we're all there now. They want you to know the truth. But why [do] they want you to know that truth now. I hope I'm wrong, but it's terrifying. Think about it "Maybe it's good to get ahead of it, call it out now, before they do it. I'll be called crazy. That's okay."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1880143123105698118/ext_tw_video_thumb/1880138001105498112/pu/img/JjRnZ34NSUJpmokS.jpg)
UFO Revolution: S2E3 - 2027 and the Approaching Craft. Is it a Lie? "You're gonna be told that there is a craft on its way to Earth. That 100 f**king percent is the lie you are going to be told." ~Corbell (Well, I was not expecting this. And right now, I don't know what to think. But we all know it's been hinted at by various folks, including Lue Elizondo. So what's going on?) ~ Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell: "Your government now wants you to know one truth, and that truth is that UFOs are real. They've already done told you. Sometimes, when you want somebody to know a truth, it's so you can set them up to believe a lie, and that's coming. I have zero doubt that lie is coming." Producer: "What is the lie?" Corbell: "Specifically, you want me to say it right now, for real, real? On camera, to be put in the show?" Producer: "Yes." Corbell: "Okay. Problem with that: If we tell the lie before it's told, they can adapt. That wouldn't be wise. I'll tell you privately, but I would really think about if you want to put this in your show. For real. That's a real thing I'm telling you. So, will you think about it before putting it in your show?" Producer: "Absolutely." Corbell: "Okay. So UFOs are real, and they've been here a long time, and that's the truth. But the lie is coming. All indications, like ALL of them, is that that lie is going to be that there is a craft slowly making its way to us here on Earth. And that is the lie they're gonna want you to believe. "It's nuanced, how they explain that, the nature of that threat. But that 100 f**king percent is the lie you are going to be told. You even got a date. People been whispering a date for a long time now. I know where that lie comes from. I know, specifically, what document from the 70s initiated the idea of that lie. A classified document. That is the lie you will be told. You're gonna be told that there is a craft on its way to Earth. That's the lie. "Maybe I'm wrong. Hope I'm wrong. I sent you two texts today with a year (Messages showing 2027 are shown on a cell phone). Not from me. Nope, I'm not gonna propagate that lie. I'm not gonna be part of it, I'm not going to say it to the camera. Everybody knows. Just start paying attention. And they'll change the date - especially if they see this - things will change. Because maybe I'm trustworthy, maybe I'm worthy of your trust, maybe I've told you the truth the whole way through it and now and you can verify it. If that's the case, then I'm f**king dangerous. "You've been told the truth about UFOs for a long time now. It's been pretty orchestrated, it's been pretty clear, and it's using people that are telling the truth and wanna tell the truth. Ultimately, they want you to know something. They want you to know UFOs are real. Thank God, we're finally there, we're all there now. They want you to know the truth. But why [do] they want you to know that truth now. I hope I'm wrong, but it's terrifying. Think about it "Maybe it's good to get ahead of it, call it out now, before they do it. I'll be called crazy. That's okay."
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