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American physicist Edward Witten explains why it wasn’t until Einstein's work that we fully understand the reason behind the inverse square law, and why it's specifically a square rather than some arbitrary decimal 1 / distance² vs. 1 / distance¹·⁷⁴⁸²²⋅⋅⋅

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Red the Raider 的头像
Red the Raider4 个月前

Pretty sure Gauss showed that it was a consequence of living in a universe with 3 space dimensions about a century before Einstein.

Alec Dacyczyn 的头像
Alec Dacyczyn4 个月前

Nah. I think they already intuitively understood this. As soon as they noticed the observational data fit an exponent of ~2 they knew what was up.

Matjaž Leonardis 的头像
Matjaž Leonardis4 个月前

Nah, this idea of something spreading through space was there before. It appears in too many other contexts (light or sound intensity for example).

Maaneli (Max) Derakhshani 的头像
Maaneli (Max) Derakhshani4 个月前

Witten’s answer is incorrect. First, Newton’s theory of gravity can be reformulated as a nonrelativistic field theory where the inverse square law is a consequence of the Newtonian gravitational potential satisfying Poisson’s equation. This doesn’t require general relativity (Einstein’s theory of gravity), so the latter is a red herring. Second, the form of Einstein’s field equations that imply the inverse square law for gravity to leading order is experimentally constrained as much as Newton’s theory or its nonrelativistic field theoretic reformulation. Einstein’s theory thus doesn’t explain the inverse square law any better or further than Newton’s theory does when reformulated as a nonrelativistic field theory.

SJ Ryan - Writer 的头像
SJ Ryan - Writer4 个月前

What are you talking about? The reason behind the inverse square law has been known since the time of Newton. It's simple math.

Shailesh Dhuri 的头像
Shailesh Dhuri4 个月前

When I first read the inverse square, I think in 9th grade, I instinctively imagined it as being rooted in area of sphere. I had not been introduced to Einstein work. It’s pretty instinctive. Isn’t it ?

Life Thru Book 的头像
Life Thru Book4 个月前

One of the strangest things about physics is that some equations are geometry revealing itself.

MVH 的头像
MVH4 个月前

What? The inverse square law was a geometrical fact before Einsteins field theory ever existed?

Martin Moore 的头像
Martin Moore4 个月前

Really? The Principia is drenched in geometry.

Henry Woo 的头像
Henry Woo4 个月前

Dr Witten, a Fields medalist in 1990, was a history major in college. How he became a top mathematical physicist is fascinating but not well reported. Hope he will write a memoir to reveal his research thought process to inspire the next generations…

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Bitsk Iller4 个月前

How so? This is high school math known since Newton and probably even before that. The same signal, or whatever, is spread out to a greater area, the area of the wave front sphere, which is proportional to the distance squared. ->

Zen.Buddha.Tao 的头像
Zen.Buddha.Tao4 个月前

Any abstraction can be undermined by a new, fresh, recalibrated abstraction; meaning the confident certitudes of these people (fundamentalist physicists) is just so silly; black can't be white until someone shows that it can. Aristotelian categories are provisional, except when your mental flexibility has ossified.

∇ₖPascal ∇ₚKwanten (∛) (Πασκάλ) 的头像
∇ₖPascal ∇ₚKwanten (∛) (Πασκάλ)4 个月前

Is there a similar (group theoretic or string) argument spacetime has D=4 instead of D=26 bosonic string theory and D=10 supersymmetric string theory? (Stability, Anomaly cancellation/chiral gauge theory,...) And why 3+1 instead of 2+2 or 4+0?

Håkon Fløystad 的头像
Håkon Fløystad4 个月前

I think Lagrange had formulated something similar around 4 decades before Einstein, where Newtonian gravity was presented as a field theory similar to Gauss's law. (Though not with the General Relativity corrections.)

Jenny Lorraine Nielsen ⭐🐯 的头像
Jenny Lorraine Nielsen ⭐🐯4 个月前

MOND is like scribbling mustaches on the Mona Lisa.

Gabriel Lagrangian 的头像
Gabriel Lagrangian4 个月前

This is why I love physics. To see deeper into the mathematical structure of the universe. Ed Witten is a national treasure.

Computational Geometer 的头像
Computational Geometer4 个月前

wait, for it to drop as the 2nd power, doesn't that require space to be Euclidean?

Bill Vanderburgh 的头像
Bill Vanderburgh4 个月前

FWIW Newton didn't "postulate" it, he made precisely agreeing *measurements* that gravity was inverse square using a variety of phenomena--falling bodies, the Moon's orbit, the planets' orbits, Jovian moons, etc. Then he generalized it to all cases via the 4th Rule of Reasoning.

shanusmcanus 的头像
shanusmcanus4 个月前

Err. What? I think the greeks came up with that one from the equation of a describing the area of a spherical surface.

zan 的头像
zan4 个月前

wow. never seen physiognomy like that. instant aesthetic vortex. ffs

RT 的头像
RT4 个月前

He didn't really explain, it, even when pressed. He just said it had to be an inverse square.

Dylan Wiliam 的头像
Dylan Wiliam4 个月前

One of the things that really blew me away when I worked through the @oustudy's Understanding Space and Time course (S354) is that stable orbits are only possible with an inverse square law. With any other exponent, stable orbits don't exist...

J.R. Richard 的头像
J.R. Richard4 个月前

"(Doah! The reason it is 'square' is because the substrate ground is geometric.)" tweet, tweet, tweedle tweet #physics

Drohi - ReSSRection 🌄 的头像
Drohi - ReSSRection 🌄4 个月前

Bad! The inverse square law was already widely established - in many different fields (optics, sound, electrostatics, etc) - and that's why the 'surface field model' in relativity was specifically chosen to connect with that truth. A modeling choice, not an explanation

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God's X4 个月前

This is one of those deep physics ideas that sounds simple on the surface... but gets wild the basically pointing out that before Einstein, we knew the inverse-square law worked but we didn't fully understand why nature picked that exact 'square" rule instead of some weird number like 1.7 or 2.3.

Joseph Biello 的头像
Joseph Biello4 个月前

Newton understood this in the Principia, especially when he calculated the potential inside a uniform spherical shell. Nah, Witten's wrong. As for the geometrization of gravity - as a grad student I saw an interesting talk about geom. of Newtonian space vs. Einstein space-time. GR has time and space curved, whereas Newtonian gravity is only space curved.

brad 的头像
brad4 个月前

Idiots parroting the idiotic

Dorin Cheptea 的头像
Dorin Cheptea4 个月前

On the same token, ElectroMagnetism is also a field theory, and so when Maxwell and Heaviside have shown that the EM field verifies the wave equation, they have explained the inverse-square law ... for electromagnetism.

tintin haddock 🇺🇸 的头像
tintin haddock 🇺🇸4 个月前

Why need Einstein? It’s just Gauss’s Divergence Theorem. The power is 1 less than the dimension of space. In 2D it would be 1/r, in 1D it would be constant.

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Reynolds BEng 2.204 个月前

Einstein is mere scalar. Muppets Last Last Post Rules of The Game

John Smith 的头像
John Smith4 个月前

I am so thrilled to waste my time watching a so-called journalist who stutters on camera.

Llorens MRC 的头像
Llorens MRC4 个月前

La inversa del cuadrado tiene que ver con la caída de una radiación o la influencia de un campo cuando se propaga radialmente desde un centro en áreas esféricas que crecen precisamente con el cuadrado del radio. No veo que esto tenga nada que ver con Einstein.

Yasin Şale 的头像
Yasin Şale4 个月前

Asaph Hall's model was such one where instead of inverse square law, he proposed 1/r^(2+a), a=0.00000016 in order to catch Mercury's anomalous precession of perihelion. But it did not fit with other planets. I saw it first in Penrose, I guess.

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