Are free will and predestination at odds? #Predestination #Calvinism #Freewill

Might try to comment on this (again) on the DL today, 6pm EDT.

What is the nature of an existence that is experienced entirely outside of time itself? Can a single decision that is made in a state of timelessness simultaneously affect EVERY point in time and space? Groundbreaking reconciliation of creationism with natural science.

Think of it as watching a rerun of the football game. You already know what the score will be but you aren't controlling the players on the field.

Yes they are at odds. We can our socks, our job, our spouse, our lunch. But where the good things of God are concerned our will is bound (not free) to sin. God chooses us..we don't choose Him.

Frank, foreknowledge is not the same thing as predetermining something. You're answering the question of whether foreknowledge is at odds with free will. You've skipped over predestination altogether. Romans 8 says "those whose he foreknew, he predestined." They aren't the same.

Frank, Free will and predestination aren't at odds—they’re often misunderstood because people treat the will like it floats above reality, untouched by anything outside the self. But here’s the truth: a will free from God is both logically and scripturally impossible (Proverbs 16:9; Acts 17:26–28). Your will in any moment is the outflow of who you are—your character, heart, upbringing, personality, time and place of birth, and especially your moral disposition. All of that is authored by God (Eph. 1:11). Predestination doesn’t mean you existed before creation—it means God purposed your existence and role in His story. The destination is the result of that purpose playing out over time. Pharaoh’s story in Exodus? A prime example. God raised him up “for this very purpose” (Rom. 9:17)—a vessel of wrath prepared for the day of trouble (Proverbs 16:4). He chose exactly what he most wanted to do—and fulfilled exactly what God intended. So no, they’re not at odds. Predestination is the reason your will exists.

Molinism

It's easy to dismiss Calvinism when you've made a strawman of it

Yes.

The Biblical narrative is more mystical in its approach to this it deals more with a God with the capability of altering and changing the future notnso much a God that KNOWS the future. This approach is also a better approach to hold to today though it might be dangerous as it could lead to people treating God as a genie instead of God. The point is just in dealing with the future and how God operated with regards to stiff that hasn't happened yet it is safer to say "we don't know" than to try and dwell on it and figure out how God works. Again... the Biblical God was a God that could intervene and change the course of History not so much the God that knew what was going to happen. If the future was fixed and certain to my mind it would make life in a way pointless to begin with. What is the point of living NOW if it has already basically happened? It is like a twisted form of atheism.

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