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"Because blockchains like Bitcoin fundamentally rely on cryptography, it's existential for them." Project Eleven CEO Alex Pruden on the Google and Caltech quantum papers: "Everything's on the line here. We have to solve it for chains like Bitcoin to have a future."

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The Google and Caltech quantum papers demonstrated 2 breakthroughs: that Bitcoin cryptography is much easier to break than previously thought, and that far fewer logical qubits may be necessary for physical qubits. Project Eleven CEO Alex Pruden explains: "These two papers are not necessarily about a quantum computer that's bigger or more capable. They're about what it takes to break cryptography." "So what changed? One of the things that changed was that physicists and quantum cryptographers that looked at this problem for a long time studied an algorithm called RSA — an older cryptographic algorithm." "But that's not what really any blockchains use, because RSA keys are very large. It turns out, and this was one of the key upshots of the Google paper, that if you focus on the cryptography used by Bitcoin, Ethereum, and other networks, it's actually way easier to break than they thought it was, compared to RSA." "The other big breakthrough, and this is from the Caltech paper: Quantum computers are very fragile, generally. So to be useful, they need to have what's called error correction applied. And that can result in a lot of overhead. You need to have tons of physical qubits to get to one logical qubit." "This Caltech paper basically showed, 'Hey, we have some new ideas for error correction. And it turns out if we apply those, we don't need hundreds or thousands of physical qubits, maybe we just need a handful to make one logical cubit.'" "The headline of their paper is 'You may only need 10,000 physical qubits to run Shor's algorithm.' And by the way, they demonstrated 6,000 last year."
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The Google and Caltech quantum papers demonstrated 2 breakthroughs: that Bitcoin cryptography is much easier to break than previously thought, and that far fewer logical qubits may be necessary for physical qubits. Project Eleven CEO Alex Pruden explains: "These two papers are not necessarily about a quantum computer that's bigger or more capable. They're about what it takes to break cryptography." "So what changed? One of the things that changed was that physicists and quantum cryptographers that looked at this problem for a long time studied an algorithm called RSA — an older cryptographic algorithm." "But that's not what really any blockchains use, because RSA keys are very large. It turns out, and this was one of the key upshots of the Google paper, that if you focus on the cryptography used by Bitcoin, Ethereum, and other networks, it's actually way easier to break than they thought it was, compared to RSA." "The other big breakthrough, and this is from the Caltech paper: Quantum computers are very fragile, generally. So to be useful, they need to have what's called error correction applied. And that can result in a lot of overhead. You need to have tons of physical qubits to get to one logical qubit." "This Caltech paper basically showed, 'Hey, we have some new ideas for error correction. And it turns out if we apply those, we don't need hundreds or thousands of physical qubits, maybe we just need a handful to make one logical cubit.'" "The headline of their paper is 'You may only need 10,000 physical qubits to run Shor's algorithm.' And by the way, they demonstrated 6,000 last year."

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Project Eleven CEO Alex Pruden says China may be 6-12 months behind the US in quantum computing at most: "[China has] made quantum computing a priority. What that means in China is — there used to be a lab at Tencent, Baidu, and a few other places. And at some point, a CCP official came in and said, 'Guess what, you guys all work for us now, you're all working together, and you're not allowed to talk about it anymore." "There's a legitimate question about how far back they are. The best estimates that we have — we have a quantum physicist who's an advisor to Project Eleven that tracks resource estimates across the world, and their view is that China may be 6-12 months behind at most." "Can we expect the CCP, which is maybe more willing to crush dissent in places like Hong Kong, to care as much about the philosophical principles of Bitcoin and decentralization if it serves their purposes to do otherwise? I don't think we can." "It's better to be safe than sorry. We need to prepare today to prevent the crisis tomorrow."
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Project Eleven CEO Alex Pruden says China may be 6-12 months behind the US in quantum computing at most: "[China has] made quantum computing a priority. What that means in China is — there used to be a lab at Tencent, Baidu, and a few other places. And at some point, a CCP official came in and said, 'Guess what, you guys all work for us now, you're all working together, and you're not allowed to talk about it anymore." "There's a legitimate question about how far back they are. The best estimates that we have — we have a quantum physicist who's an advisor to Project Eleven that tracks resource estimates across the world, and their view is that China may be 6-12 months behind at most." "Can we expect the CCP, which is maybe more willing to crush dissent in places like Hong Kong, to care as much about the philosophical principles of Bitcoin and decentralization if it serves their purposes to do otherwise? I don't think we can." "It's better to be safe than sorry. We need to prepare today to prevent the crisis tomorrow."

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