"Both are tools that can accomplish the same task but one is smaller and easier for anyone to own and both require a human’s creative touch to truly shine." -- This is how I feel about Suno. My whole job is working with creators & musicians, and I get... to watch how they use this tool to make their own music and ideas shine. I get to see people release new EPs and albums using Suno. People are cutting up stems in Suno, using their own productions & voice notes and getting to have full creative control, but Suno makes it easier, more affordable for them to make the music they love -- as the iPhone did. Suno Studio was built as a complement for DAWs and a way to solve pain points we've heard from musicians over and over again -- how do I get clean stems, how do I edit specific stems, how do I extract stems back to my DAW? Musicians are spending hours and hours still making songs that they feel proud of on Suno. I don't know that you can discount the creativity involved in their process without watching them at work.show more

The iPhone has a substantial cost to entry over lets say a disposable camera. Also using the iPhone as a camera isn’t quite the same as letting ai create and produce something for you. With an iPhone you still have to take the picture. I don’t think that analogy is hitting like you intended. That is like saying a midi keyboard would replace a grand piano. Both are tools that can accomplish the same task but one is smaller and easier for anyone to own and both require a human’s creative touch to truly shine. I don’t know how that equates to an ai being trained on licensed music illegally (I read the lawsuits Suno is currently entrenched in) or having ai write and produce a track for you.

Genuinely no hate to anyone. At the end of the day, you guys care about helping people, and so do I.  I believe that music belongs to everyone, and that lowering the barrier to entry for music is a good thing. I've seen people light up when they get to create music for the very first time. I've seen Suno improve the creation process for so many lifelong musicians I know. I get to work with independent artists day in and day out, and I wouldn't be here if I didn't genuinely believe it will help more creatives do what they love.  A wide range of musicians use Suno in their creative process, from aspiring musicians to independent musicians to Grammy-winning musicians, and they do so with effort and authenticity. Songwriters are using Suno to underpaint their own vocals, lyrics, and melodies. Producers are uploading their own beats and building on top of it, extracting stems in Suno Studio that they can then take to their DAWs. It’s another tool that people can use to channel their own creativity, and if this tool isn’t for you, that is totally okay. I'm supportive of whatever helps people get their ideas across the finish line. I know AI is really scary. I worry about it too, and I've talked about it many times before. How do we make sure we enable AI for good and creativity? I think this is a question every technologist and every consumer needs to think about, and I'm at Suno because I want to help push towards the right goals. It's our responsibility to foster technology for good. Ultimately, I believe in technology's ability to expand creation for more and more people.  iPhones didn't end photography -- it expanded the definition of who could also be a photographer. Tiktok, Instagram, and Youtube all expanded the definition of who could be a content creator. The fact that anyone can be a content creator today (if they want to be) is really fucking cool to me. Content creation completely changed my life, and I am always going to be passionate about what I believe is expanding creation.  We work with busy parents who get to make their kids songs about the water cycle. We work with poets who get to hear their written words as melodies. We work with seniors in hospitals who see that they can still be creative, even as they lose mental and physical facilities. These stories really inspire me, and I believe all of these people deserve to experience this magic. Creativity is boundless, and there is room for everyone in it.

@RSPN_Hideouts there’s creativity involved but nothing actually being learned. nobody’s getting better at anything but prompting and maybe learning how to drag and drop clips, this is a crutch that’s gonna stunt potential musicians because people keep framing it as an accessibility thing

@RSPN_Hideouts the way this argument is framed is so disingenuous. you can get clean stems with your iPhone mic. you can edit and extract stems on Garage Band (Free DAW since 2004) if suno was actually sincere, it would pay the musicians it trained it's machine on and not charge $360 a year.

@RSPN_Hideouts You cannot be serious. “how do I get clean stems, how do I edit specific stems, how do I extract stems back to my DAW?” ALL OF THESE QUESTIONS HAVE ANSWERS THAT ARENT AI. Disgusting, disappointing, lazy and dishonest. Real artists don’t need this.

@RSPN_Hideouts Either your stupid ass defenses are ai or you have people managing your account now LMAO

@RSPN_Hideouts “how do I get clean stems, how do I edit specific stems, how do I extract stems back to my DAW?” - these are not pain points for creating music, they are pain points for iterating generative AI music. Nobody needs to ‘stem split’ something they made from their own stems 🫩

There’s already tools for extracting stems from tracks for free. I don’t know why I would need to edit stems if they are coming from a track I already produced unless you are feeding them into the ai to produce around let’s say a vocal stem. I have never had the issue of “I can’t extract stems or edit stems” because I produce the entirety of a track myself and can bounce each individual instrument as a separate stem. Unless there is something I’m missing here, it seems like the issue you are creating is taking a vocal stem and feeding it into Suno to produce around it, taking all of the artistry away. Half of the joy of music production, in my opinion, is sound designing around an idea and making something no one has heard before by tweaking instrument parameters and presets.

I'm happy to connect you with the producers I've talked to who tell us that clean stem extraction is something they need, because stem extraction always leaves artifacts in the sound. We're working with museums of artists who made songs from the 1900s that want to be able to split out the stems and show people all the parts of the song in the exhibits. There are so many use cases involved, and stem extraction is just *one tool* on Suno that I gave an example of. Some producers want to be able to replace a stem. Some want idea generation. Again, I'm truly happy to connect you with the artists doing this, they're the real experts and I am constantly learning from them

Feel however you want girlie you are wrong and no one likes u

@RSPN_Hideouts you keep bringing up stems like suno invented stems shut the fuck up about stems people could fuck with stems before suno was around

@RSPN_Hideouts “I get to see people release new EPs and albums using Suno” This means Suno is being used to compete with the music it’s trained on, right?

@RSPN_Hideouts confused about how yall always seemed shocked by public preception....

@RSPN_Hideouts Eat shit you stupid thief grifter

@RSPN_Hideouts You bring such a bad faith vibe to this discussion because not one ounce of the service you are pushing is more affordable

@RSPN_Hideouts Rosie, genuinely listen to the valid criticisms involving Suno and its practices. Stop regurgitating talking points, they aren’t landing. If any of this was sincere, Suno wouldn’t have lied about training using copyrighted materials without permission. Pay up or shut up.

@RSPN_Hideouts Bro is making royalty free Love Island type beats on pro tools, he’s already AI 😭

@RSPN_Hideouts Getting clean stems? Thats only a point when you're a thieving AI "creator" because otherwise you WOULD HAVE MADE THOSE STEMS YOURSELF

@RSPN_Hideouts this is a fucking ad

@RSPN_Hideouts Do you truly think AI server farms make Suno smaller than learning music yourself?

@RSPN_Hideouts you're talking in circles and sound silly sorry

@RSPN_Hideouts She really believes what the company told her

@RSPN_Hideouts Shut up and eat shit my god. All your arguments boil down to “but you don’t see how IM seeing these lazy artists are generating songs using prompts”. Your lower barrier for entry argument is bullshit anyways because Suno is going to start charging to download shit people generate

@RSPN_Hideouts Your job seems useless.

@RSPN_Hideouts say shine again

@RSPN_Hideouts the video provided is not an artist who has financial or technological limits to creation. this is bullshit.

@RSPN_Hideouts Couldnt even write a fucking tweet without AI could ya

@RSPN_Hideouts also AI wrote this you fucking fraud

@RSPN_Hideouts You can just export the project as stems, you may be confused because the daw doesn’t call them stems. Have fun producing!

@RSPN_Hideouts This is a generational crash out.

Basically just farming stuff out to someone else (in this case ai) to do the work. Lazy. You save time but to what end? endless songs building up, eventually getting boring & stale for yourself & everyone else. Our souls LIKE working hard towards things. That's where the true value & self respect is.

@RSPN_Hideouts Turbo loser

@RSPN_Hideouts youre trying. and failing.

@RSPN_Hideouts let's be real: if you didn't stand to make $$$ whenever suno (god what a stupid ass name) is sold you wouldn't give A SINGULAR FUCK ABOUT THIS collect your ducats and apologize to your low income asian immigrant parents

@RSPN_Hideouts Shut up dumbass