BREAKING: Pope Leo on the SSPX consecrations — “I am considering making another appeal and saying ‘don't do this, let's try to live the communion of the Church.’ But it is their choice. We must realize what it means for them and for the Church. Certainly, the division among... Christians is a painful point. However, they refuse to accept some fundamental elements of the Church, starting with several points of the Second Vatican Council. If they make that choice, I am sorry. But we must move forward”show more

Not my circus, not my monkeys, but worth pointing out that the principle of non-contradiction applies here: If the SSPX holds to what the Church taught BEFORE Vatican II, and Leo says they can't be accepted because of what Vatican II taught, then there is mutual exclusivity between what Catholicism WAS and what Catholicism IS. In other words: he is admitting, out loud, that they are different religions.

@du_fuss He met with the Anglican woman, he met with the Orthodox, he met with Muslims and gave them a prayer room. I can't with this anymore. The church hasn't even demonstrated a single thing about Vatican 2 that was either necessary or an improvement. Why should I follow this?

Will any reporter worth their salt ask him why then Chinese GOVERNMENT is allowed to choose and consecrate their own imposter communist wolves and yet, these holy men cannot consecrate Bishops? What is he difference? The Chinese Communists do not believe ANYTHING the Catholic Church teaches. But they are free to do as they please and be praised for it.

But FR. James Martin is in full communion?

Honestly good on Pope Leo, I hope the SSPX comes back, but enough is enough. He’s right

@du_fuss Can anyone define "accepting Vatican II"? Because it's sort of like "antisemitism" anymore. It's just used to bludgeon people who make you uncomfortable with the truth.

Is Pope Leo aware that Episcopalian are excommunicated. Is he aware that Lutherans are excommunicated? Is he aware that Anglicans are excommunicated? Because he's more chummy with them than he is with real Catholics. Maybe once they're excommunicated he'll be more friendly

From a fellow that marched with Communists and took part in a pagan ritual and blessed the "fruitful" "responsibilities" of a transvestite married woman who is pretending to be an archbishop, what does "accept some fundamental elements of the Church, starting with several points of the Second Vatican Council" even mean?

Dear SSPX, I DO NOT bow before your dignity +Leo XIV

Here is an idea. Lets behave like men and speak to one and other. Not through the media, PR statements and beautiful videos. Get in a room, be men and work it out, or don’t. Walk in together, talk, walk out of the room together and tell the world what you came up with. Too public and pathetic on all sides

@PrayTheRosary Meet with their Superior ASAP, grant the mandate and keep talking afterwards. He cannot be this obtuse.

Meanwhile, Catholic priests like James Martin are running around spreading false doctrine and leading Catholics to hell, yet received with open arms by the Popes, including Pope Leo…

And many will move forward with them, as they are correct and, more importantly, the true Catholic Church under Christ’s Commission. We are not the Synodal church @Pontifex Vatican II was the smoke of satan entering the Church. Just admit it and return to the true Catholic Doctrine of Faith. (If they were China, you’d wave your hand and say, as many times as you have before, to the communist bishop consecrations, “ok”.)

Tell it to the Chinese government. Then you will have credibility.

Vatican II says that 'the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using those churches not in communion with Her as means of salvation.' So if the society is excommunicated, that means 'the Spirit of Christ has not refrained from using the SSPX as means of salvation.'

“We must move forward.” Toward what? More of this?

@FredSimonTLM He basically quoted Martin Luther; “Here I stand, I can do no other”

Move forward to where exactly? I reject a “New Synodal Church” and adhere to the Church given to us by Jesus Christ.

Is Pope Leo going to apply the same metric to L+++ masses & German episcopal heretics 🤷‍♂️

It is not about the tlm. It is always about to fully accept the super-dogma of modernist Rome which is Vatican 2. If you criticize their synodal conciliar woke church setting / agenda / machinery, you are out.

Vielerorts wird die "hohe Intelligenz" von Leo gerühmt ... in diesem Statement kann man sie nicht erkennen. Es ist Blabla ... "Wir müssen vorankommen" - geht es noch banaler und nichtssagender?

Nunca compreendi por que a aceitação integral de um Concílio de caráter predominantemente pastoral é frequentemente tratada como critério absoluto de comunhão, sobretudo quando as divergências dizem respeito não a novos dogmas, mas a formulações e aplicações que permanecem objeto de debate. O que mais me intriga nessa questão é que Roma parece oferecer à Fraternidade Sacerdotal São Pio X uma via de reconciliação que, examinada de perto, conduz inevitavelmente à sua extinção. Formalmente, existe uma saída: basta que a fraternidade aceite integralmente o Concílio Vaticano II nos termos exigidos por Roma. Contudo, essa solução é apenas nominal. A dificuldade reside no fato de que a identidade da FSSPX foi construída precisamente sobre a convicção de que determinados aspectos do Concílio e de sua aplicação histórica devem ser objeto de crítica e revisão à luz da tradição anterior. Se ela mantiver essa posição, permanecerá em uma situação canônica irregular e, com o passar das décadas, poderá simplesmente desaparecer juridicamente quando seus últimos bispos e lideranças forem sucedidos por uma estrutura incapaz de se perpetuar. Se, por outro lado, aceitar as condições que lhe são impostas e abandonar as teses que justificaram sua existência, continuará existindo apenas no nome. Terá preservado seus seminários, suas capelas e suas estruturas administrativas, mas terá renunciado à razão de ser que motivou sua fundação. Em outras palavras, a reconciliação oferecida parece apontar para apenas dois desfechos possíveis: a extinção jurídica ou a extinção substancial. Na primeira, a fraternidade desaparece como instituição; na segunda, permanece institucionalmente viva, mas deixa de ser aquilo que a tornou distinta. O resultado final é semelhante em ambos os casos: a FSSPX deixa de existir enquanto realidade própria. É justamente por isso que muitos de seus membros enxergam a proposta atual não como uma verdadeira conciliação entre posições distintas, mas como um caminho cuja etapa final é, inevitavelmente, a dissolução da identidade da fraternidade, de forma explícita ou gradual. Afinal, uma organização não deixa de existir apenas quando fecha suas portas; ela também deixa de existir quando abandona os princípios que justificaram sua criação. ...

Why not give this devout Catholic order with 700 priests and 6 seminaries the bishops they need?

@PerMariam This is guy is unbelievable. You won’t meet with them in fact won’t even respond to their letters. Then you run out to the media and act like they won’t accept fundamental elements of the church. Time for the media and axelrod and the dipshit mayor of Chicago but not sspx.

I sure wish this wasn't being aired out in public. I would be far more encouraged if they worked together in private, and advised of the outcome.

@father_rmv So why does he make time to speak to a journalist and not to the Superior General of the SSPX?

So hes threatening to excommunicate over pastoral matters? What a joke

Sad. I pray for the Holy Father still, but he could make this all right by just granting them permission.

Said the deeply AntiCatholic, pantheistic communist, Friend of David axelrod, and the Democratic Party, incapable of doing anything authentically based on Catholic truth. Enemy of our BVM. His attack on her titles alone is rotten to the core. Worm ridden just like Bergoglio

Dear Pope Leo, if you truly want communion, the solution is easy. Just say yes to the Episcopal Consecration. Vat 2 is a different matter. You didn't split hairs with the Orthodox, why are you doing it with the SSPX?

Lines have been drawn. I know which side I'm on: the side of our Lord and Savior.

@father_rmv There were many, many dogmatic ecumenical councils before the pastoral VII. I guess they don’t teach that anymore.

@father_rmv What is their communion if all what the Vatican says submit because I said so? So much for a Church that listens and is synodal. It is the opposite of it!

@TwiterusMaximus You are causing the division Pope Leo. You know very well James Martin is not following the teachings of the church but you and you predecessor have not only promoted him but you have elevated him and rewarded his disgusting behaviour.