Casey Tries Node

so i presume the same argument goes for rustup and cargo?

I think you should zoom in more, just the mouth tho

It's nuts, dude, python and javascript script kiddies are the scum of the programming world. They get so fucking bent out of shape when you suggest that maybe they keep things cross-compatible for a few years' worth of versions at a time

Wait until he finds out people running “node” in production

This is still mostly a silly lament. Yeah it sucks that dependency hell is dependency hell, but the alternatives are not much better.

@Jonathan_Blow I mean, almost all software sucks. But I just don’t know how one can speak that confidently and at the same time don’t know what they are talking about. NVM is a version manager for the runtime. And NPM is a package manager. And they all optional.

I'm so glad I'm a .Net developer. Code I wrote for .Net 6 in 2022 will still compile and run on .Net 10. Yeah, there are new features in each version but we have not had any breaking changes.

this reminds me of my 79 year old father trying to use apps on his phone

why doesn’t he understand the difference between managing runtimes and package managers? you don’t strictly need nvm. also yarn and npm are redundant. and package management depends on a runtime, that’s why it’s separate imagine taking shots at js and *missing* embarrassing

It's always been strange to me that this isn't the normal reaction to Node/NPM/etc. "Modern frontend development" is painful/inane before you've even written a line of code. @cmuratori should really talk to @DelaneyGillilan

I would love to see Casey try out Neovim 😂

@ThePrimeagen Literally every development setup ever Python? Garbage Embedded? Nightmare fuel Node is pretty easy in comparison not gonna lie

Just wait till he hears of Python or the fact that you need root to install dependencies to compile CPP programs, as well as two different programs to dynamically build shell scripts which generate your make files to compile your programs

Which episode was this taken from? Love to hear the rest now lol

About what I would expect

Runtime vs dependencies. They all have versions. At least the runtime does LTS releases.

So that means Casey is now not allowed have an opinion on anything. aight, going to unoptimize the project now, see ya later.

it really is the stupidest things it’s like java back in the 90s why do we have to redo dependencies and package management and even libraries the ultra fkn hard way - it’s completely unacceptable - then again - iam afraid they don’t know better - it’s stone age ape engineering

I take the node philosophy everywhere.. I pin my ruby, go, python, php, rust compiler version first. Number 1 thing I do. Then find the language's package manager and pin that too. Then install the packages and then pin that too. Next up docker, I need to pin the OS too

I have a deep distaste for JS ecosystem, but what is he talking about? First, most JS software does run fine between different versions of node. Second, there are good reasons to have nvm and npm separate, and I'm not sure how his ignorance here is a good argument. Lastly, he coming from C & C++ world ... where they have complete shitshow of non-standard tooling... how is it better? Not to mention that I _routinely_ hit C++ software that fails to compile between different toolchains due to bugs in compilers and their standard libraries and crappy tooling around it.

Now do python

And he is correct.

its probably a good idea to understand how your software is built but everytime i try to grok this in javascript i just cannot be bothered

v silly but points for comedic value. NVM is just NIX for node. and NPM is a headers registry.

Ummm Useless Shenanigans ! He hasn't tried maven yet

Make him try typescript in a micro services architecture, and we all thought we had reached the absolute bottom.

Find me a language that solves all these problems and isn’t a toy

@beginbot Amen! We need some sanity in the frontend.

Use @bunjavascript

Legit crashout

nix is the only sane way to distribute software

I'm a simple man, I see JS/node hate post and I like it.

Conversation straight out of 2016

Does he expect to be able to use new node APIs on older node versions?