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"Core developers are bad actors with malicious intent." Sat down with Luke Dashjr to unpack the internal war over Bitcoin Core v30. From plummeting node counts to the shadow of the MIT/Epstein era, this is the most sobering look at the protocol's future you'll see this year. Full interview...

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Cypherpunk'd8 months ago

🚨 Quick Correction: The quote in this caption wasn't a verbatim pull from Luke. Our marketing team used an ai summary that missed the mark on his exact phrasing. We're owning the oversight and sticking strictly to verbatim quotes from here on out.

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tyrannysaurusrekt - 🪢blake2b/XBT🪢8 months ago

This was an excellent interview (and that's not easy when Luke is your interviewee). Finally some even-handed content on this topic, and it was entertaining to boot

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Cypherpunk'd8 months ago

🙏🧡

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BitcoinMania - BIP 1108 months ago

Thank you, Cypherpunk'd, just finished watching, that was a great interview with Luke Dashjr. I learned several new things from Luke, and I had never heard before that Satoshi, in addition to making a political/freedom statement with the genesis block message, also wanted to show proof that he hadn't pre-mined anything - because that newspaper headline was from the same day as the release on January 3. Interesting. One always learns new stuff about Bitcoin. Also, you have a very friendly, amiable interviewing style. I wish more hosts and Bitcoiners in general had that type of positive enthusiasm. We can all take inspiration from that 👍

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Cypherpunk'd8 months ago

Appreciate that! Luke really dropped some gems. Glad the energy comes through,means a lot.

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aeon8 months ago

Have you looked into Luke's history?

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Oliver Woodland ⚡️8 months ago

Great interview. Thanks for posting.

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Cypherpunk'd8 months ago

🙏🧡

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John Pitts8 months ago

If late in the war Strasser interviewed Himmler about Hitler, I think it would come out something like this. Bitcoin in this example would be like Germany and the German people— nothing inherently wrong with them— capable of great things if remaining honest and true for the people. Enter the Nazi Party and their coup takeover of the country’s governmental controls and the military, and voila! You have complete mayhem, world war, incarcerations and mass genodical madness. Now we are supposed to pick sides within the Nazi Party?!? No thank you. Block the whole lot of them in btc. Bitcoin’s ticker is BSV— read the white paper— the rest of them are creepy AF “cypherpuns” from the getgo.

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Evermore Sats . ₿IP 110 🪢8 months ago

@MalachiRevolts This should be very interesting.

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Coinjoined Chris ⚡8 months ago

You've been properly punk'd by this guest 😂

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Steve Wilkinson8 months ago

Thanks, interesting interview. I think the node issue is even worse in terms of sync time. When I created my first node on more modest hardware (which died), it took almost a week to sync. My current node on beefy hardware took 37 hours (so >1.5 days). I'll admit I'm unsure why that is so important, but if it ultimately impacts people doing it, it is (even if a bit irrational). I'm far more concerned about the cost. Aside from technical intimidation (which constantly becomes less and issue over time), most Bitcoiners who aren't running nodes balk at the cost when I've mentioned they should be. I know that was a factor in my not doing it until I needed a capable 'home server' for other reasons, which made the node possible w/o so much direct cost. $300-800 dollars is a heavy-lift for a lot of people! The good news on storage is that it is tiered, so at least people starting with 2TB won't face an issue for some time. But, I do wonder how many we're losing at 1TB as we're pushing or crossed that (depending on OS and other space needs).

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Cypherpunk'd8 months ago

Reaching the 1TB threshold is going to be interesting. Very good point.

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Steve Wilkinson8 months ago

I think some have hit it already, but yeah, we're right around that point. I sure hope people upgrade and we don't lose a bunch of nodes! One big help, would be a bit more education around (or even that it is possible!) how to split out the chainstate data from the block data. You can have the bulk of the data on cheaper hard-drive storage, while keeping data that needs the speed on SSD. That said, if you're building a node, you're probably not going to bother. But, if you're using existing hardware that's a good option.

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Jack 🪢 Blake2b8 months ago

@cypherpunkd_ I already couldn’t do an IBD with umbrel and run my own electrum server with a 1TB SSD.

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Steve Wilkinson8 months ago

@cypherpunkd_ Yeah, I think many have already crossed that threshold.

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SpectrGen // XBT8 months ago

I synced a Knots Raspberry Pi 5 node w/ NVMe SSD a few months ago and IBD took 4-5 days pinned at 100% CPU. I had to put a cold pack on the case heat sink so it didn’t overheat and thermal throttle. It was a mini project.

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Michael Adams8 months ago

Say is again, pasted cause I'm not into repeating spam like v30. Bitcoin (as sound money) survives scrutiny if people understand its decentralized, permissionless nature isn't compromised by peripheral early connections as such campaigns unfold. Bip-110 is exactly such "Getting the house in order" filtering of spam at the consensus level (temporarily), which could counter narratives of the chain being misused for anything nefarious by reducing non-monetary bloat, strengthening node decentralization, and curbing abuse without permanent changes. The main point is keeping Bitcoin sound like it was supposed to be, money like not an arbitrary database, still Bitcoin is governed by non-linears so this is not permanent, this is temporary, the amount of discouragement is actually pathetic. Seems to be the goal is emotional an strike on Bip-110 based on what? I have no idea but, definably not a coherent argumenta position that holds any justifications but negative attacks.

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C05micD0lphin🐬💗 #BIP-1108 months ago

Hi, I loved this. You did great. Luke is not an easy guest. Two things struck me. 1) lack of knowledge about infiltration + how the deep state operates. 2) for Bitcoin to succeed everyday folk need to run/ use nodes (women+children included). Bitcoin was intended as money.

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Prophecy Matters8 months ago

@CunyRenaud You can no longer trust Core. If they get their way they will want to uncap the bitcoin supply and move to POS. The handwriting is on the wall. Run BIP-110!

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The Time Keeper8 months ago

Luke is a good man. Has saved Bitcoin more than once.

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Obaid Alda'ady8 months ago

You just earned yourself a subscriber by covering this topic.

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Bit_Faced8 months ago

Luke is a retard that doesn’t even understand how Bitcoin operates. “Only people trying to create new coins [miners] would need to run network nodes.” “I anticipate there will never be more than 100k nodes, probably less.” - Satoshi

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JuanGalt.com8 months ago

oh boy. hope you get the other side of the story bro

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IDAN☀️8 months ago

You should interview .@richrines

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Reformed 🧂8 months ago

Is this meant to be parody? You didn’t actually conduct an interview with the guy who is quad vaxxed, dipped his food in peroxide, doxxed fellow devs because he couldn’t even secure his own stack, has been on the FBI payroll for years and is attempting to hijack Bitcoin with the dumbest and most useless chain splitting BIP of all time right?

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Mel8 months ago

@mattyicesensei knows his stuff too

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🏔Adam🏔8 months ago

What exactly is “acting in bitcoin’s best-interest?”

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Cypherpunk'd8 months ago

Preserving its original intent

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🏔Adam🏔8 months ago

You just took “best-interest” and substituted the words “original intent” — so now I’m compelled to ask: Who defines bitcoin’s “original intent”?

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Operation Sundevil8 months ago

Luke is so full of shit

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zrtyq 🟠8 months ago

Good interview

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Cypherpunk'd8 months ago

🙏🧡

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₿itcoin-GUS🧡8 months ago

Worth every second

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PizzAndy🍕8 months ago

Excellent interview!

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Cypherpunk'd8 months ago

🙏🧡

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909techno8 months ago

Well at the very least, the Bitcoin community is confronting the security dimension of Bitcoin’s economic longevity

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blockdyor8 months ago

Watching this interview closely, and just wanted to add something about the listening nodes point around 44:00. On UmbrelOS and similar software, listening mode is off by default. That’s probably why so many nodes appear to be “hiding.“

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zrtyq 🟠8 months ago

Thankful for you @LukeDashjr

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blockdyor8 months ago

Finally an interesting show. Time to remove some other shows to make space for this one. Amazing animations too! This is on another level

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Anti-Xionist8 months ago

Is there a link to the interview without that stupid edits/animations.

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₿itcoin-GUS🧡8 months ago

Where can I watch the full 1?

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Cypherpunk'd8 months ago

🧡

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Cypherpunk'd8 months ago

Also available on Fountain

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₿itcoin-GUS🧡8 months ago

Ohh this is the full episode 😅

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Adam Wilkinson 🇬🇧 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁥󠁮󠁧󠁿8 months ago

1:10:20 Because Bitcoin is taking on the entire corrupt central banking system and they have a huge amount of leverage to strongarm people into sabotaging a project. (even if they were good actors at one point)

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Chou8 months ago

Dude called the FBI after he lost his bitcoins.

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