Correct. There is no model that actually demonstrates how evolution can engineer even a single novel protein, let alone entire protein-based molecular systems. Only intelligence is capable of designing the types of systems we see in Life.

There’s no evidence how evolution created a cell gradually. Science can’t provide the experiment to make cells from nonliving matter. Jumping to fossils of fully functional animals is dumb. Similarities in DNA doesn’t equal common origin because there’re vast differences in DNA.

I would go even further and argue that cells exhibit features that cannot evolve gradually. They're all-or-nothing systems.

Irrefutable truth. Evolution is the biggest academic scam of the century embraced by intellectually and morally weak minds who can’t stand the thought of God telling them how to live. So they rather deny his existence and works to be “free” to live without accountability to him.

Total nonsense. Directly contradicted by Richard Lenski. Tour is a fanatical young Earth creationist and a complete fraud. Professor Dave has many videos exposing what a truly nasty piece of work he is.

Using YouTuber Dave a source automatically loses you all credibility. Lenski's LTEE did not show any evolutionary development of any new systems.

Dave has FAR more scientific credibility than you.

@DivinelyDesined He's merely a teacher that was fired from his job. Equivalent to any average day person. So his scientific credibility lacks. No prestigious schooling. No prestigious books. No prestigious career. He's a youtube influencer for athiests. Popularity only by consensus bias.

@DivinelyDesined His scientific videos are very credible. AthEists.

@DivinelyDesined He's a biologist fired from his job, running around arguing with PHD level scientists way out of his league. He's a blowhard and braggart. No one important takes him serious.

@DivinelyDesined Dr James Tour struggled against non-PhD Farina. Bc Tour’s position is absurd. The grifting Weinstein brothers get appropriate treatment from him. Many people might find Farina’s style a little aggressive and his language intemperate. His educational videos are excellent however.

James Tour can't tell his elbow from his asshole when it comes to Origin Of Life research. 🤣 Q: What specifically does James Tour get wrong about origin of life (abiogenesis) research? Let me show you: 1/x

Tour: "How many changes would you have to have for a whale to turn into a cow?" 🤣🤣 What an idiot! Cows and whales diverged some 50 million years ago, long before there were cows or whales. A whale cannot EVER become a cow. And James can never escape being a primate. 🤣🤡

Your claim is the overwhelming majority of molecular biologists, geneticists, & biochemists, people who spend their careers studying the origin and evolution of proteins, have all somehow overlooked that there is no model for the evolution of novel proteins, while you have.

That is not the claim. It's much more simple than that. People believe the theory of evolution is true. So they believe these unsolved mysteries *must* have happened, despite there being no empirical or observed evidence for them, and in fact much evidence against them. But the fact is this: evolutionary theory's most important requirement - how natural mechanisms construct specified complex systems like proteins and molecular machines - has no empirical basis. No model. No observations. It is overlooked because "evolution is a fact!" Yes. Those people are all wrong.

No. You’re making a much stronger claim than “abiogenesis is unsolved.” You’re claiming there is no empirical basis or testable model for the evolution of proteins or complex molecular systems. That’s simply not what the literature says.

First off, abiogenesis is irrelevant to the point here. And the claim is not that it's never been tested. The claim is that all the research fails. There is no plausible pathway to evolve novel protein folds. No example exists anywhere. When it's been tried, the only results have been that the protein is destroyed when key amino acids at the fold are mutated.

“There is no plausible pathway to evolve novel protein folds.” This is not the scientific consensus. Researchers have proposed several observed mechanisms by which new folds can evolve. Your claim is not supported by literature.

“No example exists anywhere.” There are documented examples of proteins adopting multiple stable folds (“metamorphic proteins”), proteins whose folds change after few mutations, de novo proteins acquiring stable tertiary structures, protein families, convolution etc.

Whether these represent entirely “de novo” fold classes is debated and hangs on definition of “novel” (we’ve discussed). Saying “no example exists anywhere” blithely ignores a substantial body of literature.

“Mutating (key) amino acids destroys the protein.” That’s what makes them “key” but not their neighbors. No evolutionary biologist expects random mutation of the hydrophobic core of a well-optimized protein to usually improve it.Essential residues say little re alt fold evolving

# of living cells obtained through abiogenesis to date: zero

Excellent post.

womp womp. totally wrong:

It’s adorable that dumb fuck creationists still think “I don’t understand protein evolution” counts as evidence for magic. Gene duplication, mutation and natural selection have been studied for decades. Moronic ignorance isn’t an argument.

If it was really about adaptation only, that doesn't explain why we have such variety of lifeforms & with such beauty. It would look more like a Communist grey scape if it was truly just about survival of the fittest & being efficient. But we such much more creativity than that.

"Dembski's calculations do not model birth and death." "Artificial life researchers regularly find their simulations of evolution producing the sorts of novelties and increased complexity that Dembski claims are impossible." -Jeffrey Shallit

It isn’t evolution vs religion. Religion doesn’t even begin to plausibly explain the universe. It’s crap for frightened gerbils.

I don't think that you comprehend just how long 4 billion years is man.

There is no model that shows how a being can create life from nothing but dust.

Evolution is nonsense by people that don’t want God

Tour’s Claim 1: “No one has shown how chemistry can produce a LUCA-like cell.” True, Ss have not built a free-living, “LUCA-like” cell from simple prebiotic chemicals. The OoL remains an unsolved research problem. Even researchers in abiogenesis readily acknowledge this.

Even if design /systems design is a more useful explanatory paradigm than evolution, it doesn't follow that the designer is a divine being. It just means design better accounts for certain anamolies. That some infer God's existence from this framewoek is a non sequitur.

Transitional fossils show evolution whether a model is available or not...

Calling a fossil transitional assumes the very thing you're supposed to prove. It's circular.

If I point to ice as proof that h20 has a solid state it isn't circular as it is evidence to back the claim... Transitional fossils are evidence that backs evolution...

To the contrary if you could not demonstrate that water can turn into ice, rather we only see them mutually exclusive to one another, then it would be foolish to believe your claim. We don't even get the privilege of a fossil record when it comes to these all or nothing systems like cells and proteins. All we get are macro features like arms legs fur, organs, etc.

@DivinelyDesined and in some cases fossil feathers on creatures that should not have feathers...

Intelligence is a product of the universe. Not the other way round.

Trust the science nerds bro

Where is the sky fairy who designed it? Is it under your bed?

There are models showing that known evolutionary mechanisms are capable of producing novel protein functions and offering evidence-based pathways for the evolution of protein families. There are many such models and substantial supporting evidence.

nothing is "engineered" retard

You're alternative explanation apart from evolution is what? Magic? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Except for the fact multiple labs around the world did exactly what you claim hasn't been done

Even IF true, it does not follow that such an intelligence is a god to be worshiped. That is your own preconceived notion of what God could/should be. Question begging. The only thing that would follow is that there is a being of higher intelligence that accounts for complexity.

Like the "intelligence" that if a goat is too old their horns pierces the skull? What satantic creature made that?

… universe and said: “All is very good!” Long story short, Onle’s avatar/image uttered these words before perishing: "…That the universe may know that thou hast loved me. …For thou lovedst me before the foundation of the universe. ... That the love wherewith thou hast loved me may be in them, and I in them." After Onle heard this, he thought: "Because he hath set his love upon me, therefore will I deliver him: I will set him on high, because he hath known my name. He shall call upon me, and I will answer him: I am with him in trouble." And declared: “This is not the end of beauty. Behold I add a new layer!”

Yet again conflating abiogenesis with evolution.

Evilution is absurd

Inteligencia es lo que te falta, ningún religioso de Roma va a decir tonterías como la tuya

Amen. "Molecules do not move in a life-friendly direction" ... unless a soul is guiding them.

AMEN TRUTH AS FACT