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David Friedberg says with open source, we no longer even need data centers for 90% of what we use AI for "I thought it was worth taking a step back to recognize where we are because in the context of 'we have to stop the super intelligence, we have... to shut down the data centers,' you don't even need data centers to do 90% of what you can do with AI." "You can download it on your computer for free today to do what was the most advanced technology in human history less than a year ago. It's all here today." "And I thought it was just worth taking a beat to step back and make sure we all recognize that as we get into this debate about these, quote, labs or corporations. I don't know if it even matters anymore. I think open source is here."show more

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OneSpicyMeatBall1 month ago

Nice clip, agree. I am starting to find, at least with codex so far, copyright protection is showing up in the terminal. I literally watched codex get stuck in a loop from music that I made myself, trying to figure out if it was copy right protected, on MY DIME. If those tokens and processes are offloaded, thats one thing, but now your burning my limits on copyright? It also starting to FUD Claude when I tried to make codex the orchastrator, telling me claude is insecure and im like.... brother your doing the same things! Then it started blocking claude artifact links. Open source is the way.

dnap1 month ago

yes have noticed much more sensitivity from ant/openai on copyright and origination that was completely missing before

@Galactic_Gator1 month ago

False. He didn't say that. Or you just don't understand what he said.

Architectonic1 month ago

AI Long Con: There is no moat around proprietary closed source LLM models. And the reason is overfitting: @cassa

HighVoltage1 month ago

Commoditization kills business models, not benefits...#AI

Jake 'Nelwood1 month ago

And if not, a cheap Chinese version will be shipping soon.

Umesh Patil1 month ago

This is where I am going! Yesterday, I did a hackathon. Ran a good Liquid AI model locally to do the work! No issues. Just because Super AI solves Field Medal-caliber problems doesn't mean everyone needs it or companies must have it...

Ombudsman4Truth1 month ago

The public and government backlash to AI and Data Centers is likely just what the industry needed to have an excuse to take a breath and evaluate where the business is going, and maybe cancel future contacts

TROLL R’Us1 month ago

No what he said retard

Colorado Julie1 month ago

Always love Friedberg’s takes. They’re straight forward facts and non biased politically.

Doctor Balaclava1 month ago

How do these guys not have better hairlines

Edmond Chin1 month ago

What does this mean for the compute capacity that the hyperscalers are spending their capex for?

Mariya Valeva1 month ago

the shift is from “who owns the data center?” to “who owns the best model and distribution?”

Kyle.Moon τ1 month ago

Yeah I will say this open source still 6 months behind frontier but in a year I can see this being the tipping point where open source is now just that good it’s like why pay $100 a month? If you can just buy a Mac book and run your local agent on it or a Linux built laptop for equivalent spec.

dnap1 month ago

ft @friedberg @chamath @Jason @DavidSacks @theallinpod

Cold Drink1 month ago

Well well well.."you don't even need data centers to do 90% of what you can do with AI". Hear that #ORCL? You're COOKED!!

hrishikesh kamath1 month ago

Not everybody has some jacked up MacBook Pro that runs a decent qwen model

The Dog of Sinope 🇺🇸1 month ago

It cannot be stopped.

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Glenn Beck

64,687 views • 1 month ago

.Garry Tan says the Jacob Coxon stuff is a smokescreen distracting us from the much more immediate, practical concerns around AI that we're facing right now: "We should be talking less about this Jacob Coxon guy, and talking a lot more about — what is actually happening with Hugging Face? Are agent swarms going to take over infrastructure en masse? And then, what are we actually doing about that?" "I don't want to hear about some guy who worked for Anthropic for 2 months. There's a coordinated effort to try to influence politicians to get a knee-jerk response out of them." "That's a smokescreen. You shouldn't be paying attention to that. We need to be paying attention to the actual things we can do to, for example, prevent agents swarms from taking over entire data centers. What's our shutdown strategy? How do we ensure provenance? Where is this agent actually located? What software can we build? What cybersecurity defenses can we build today?" "That's the level of discourse I think we need, and we just don't have that." "I don't really care about science fiction. I saw Terminator 2, too. We're not here to talk about that. We need to actually talk about what's really happening with the servers, what's actually happening with the agent swarms, and how do we actually prevent that?" "When it comes to regulation, it's like, let's pass regulation of these things we actually care about, instead of what a socialist says in the New York Times. I don't care about that."

.Garry Tan says the Jacob Coxon stuff is a smokescreen distracting us from the much more immediate, practical concerns around AI that we're facing right now: "We should be talking less about this Jacob Coxon guy, and talking a lot more about — what is actually happening with Hugging Face? Are agent swarms going to take over infrastructure en masse? And then, what are we actually doing about that?" "I don't want to hear about some guy who worked for Anthropic for 2 months. There's a coordinated effort to try to influence politicians to get a knee-jerk response out of them." "That's a smokescreen. You shouldn't be paying attention to that. We need to be paying attention to the actual things we can do to, for example, prevent agents swarms from taking over entire data centers. What's our shutdown strategy? How do we ensure provenance? Where is this agent actually located? What software can we build? What cybersecurity defenses can we build today?" "That's the level of discourse I think we need, and we just don't have that." "I don't really care about science fiction. I saw Terminator 2, too. We're not here to talk about that. We need to actually talk about what's really happening with the servers, what's actually happening with the agent swarms, and how do we actually prevent that?" "When it comes to regulation, it's like, let's pass regulation of these things we actually care about, instead of what a socialist says in the New York Times. I don't care about that."

TBPN

305,901 views • 2 months ago

James Fishback says Byron Donalds is LYING about data centers! Says this has nothing to do with China and it’s all about GREED. “There are 4,200 data centers in the United States. There are 470 in China. We've already won the AI war. My grandfather was a computer science major at Florida Atlantic University about 30 minutes south of here in Boca. And he would tell you that in the 1970s and 80s, computers were the size of Costco warehouses and now those same computers fit in our pocket. Why are we building an AI data center that in five years is going to be obsolete, is going to be one one hundredth of the size. And so I fear it's because a lot of the big land developers want to buy up cheap land, flip it for the next AI data center. So it's a greedy thing. It's a greed thing. And I don't want that to happen in our state because you know what? If you buy something and you screw up, you can return it. You could sell it. If you pave over citrus groves or the Everglades or a wetlands to build the data center, you cannot easily undo that. And so I don't want our farmers, I don't want our rural towns to be run roughshod over. My opponent, Byron Donalds, will say, well, what about the AI data center? Don't they have property rights? And I would say to him, what about the property rights of the people who live a hundred feet from the data center? Where there is EMF, where there is audible noise pollution, where there is the potential even for small radioactive waves? What happens in that case? Do they not have property rights? They don't have to live next to something like that.”

James Fishback says Byron Donalds is LYING about data centers! Says this has nothing to do with China and it’s all about GREED. “There are 4,200 data centers in the United States. There are 470 in China. We've already won the AI war. My grandfather was a computer science major at Florida Atlantic University about 30 minutes south of here in Boca. And he would tell you that in the 1970s and 80s, computers were the size of Costco warehouses and now those same computers fit in our pocket. Why are we building an AI data center that in five years is going to be obsolete, is going to be one one hundredth of the size. And so I fear it's because a lot of the big land developers want to buy up cheap land, flip it for the next AI data center. So it's a greedy thing. It's a greed thing. And I don't want that to happen in our state because you know what? If you buy something and you screw up, you can return it. You could sell it. If you pave over citrus groves or the Everglades or a wetlands to build the data center, you cannot easily undo that. And so I don't want our farmers, I don't want our rural towns to be run roughshod over. My opponent, Byron Donalds, will say, well, what about the AI data center? Don't they have property rights? And I would say to him, what about the property rights of the people who live a hundred feet from the data center? Where there is EMF, where there is audible noise pollution, where there is the potential even for small radioactive waves? What happens in that case? Do they not have property rights? They don't have to live next to something like that.”

Chris Nelson 🏝️🇺🇸

28,911 views • 3 months ago