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David Grusch says Immaculate Constellation was a real program ran under the White House “When another whistleblower, Matthew Brown, came out and mentioned a particular name of a program, and Susan (Gough) put out a statement, there are no DoD special access programs by that name. That's actually true.... show more
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!["It's not a congressional program. Only the president can say anything about this." ~Semivan Semivan: Congress Doesn't Have the Right or Need-To-Know About a Crash Retrieval Program Thoughts? Grusch decided Congress had a need-to-know, and Congress hadn't been told. "Which I don't think was true." ~Semivan ~~~ Semivan: "Some of the congressmen now that are being briefed (laughs) on it are not very happy because they think they have a right to know this. And I like to point out, I spoke to a couple of the committees and I told them, 'Look, it's not a congressional program. It's an executive program, and it's run by the president and only the president can say anything about this. I can't say anything about it, the president has to come out.'" (Note: Semivan was careful to cover his azz and say these were answers about a, hypothetical, crash retrieval program. Although, from his past comments, I'm pretty sure he knows (or at least believes) it exists. See here: Semivan Blockbuster I know where the legacy programs are located. You should take [Grusch] and everything he says to the bank. It's our inalienable right to know about this. ) ~ Semivan: "It's what Dave Grusch said. Dave Grusch...worked for AARO (He meant the UAPTF) and he went to various intelligence agencies and questioned the people that were actually working on these programs. And they all told them the same thing, the same story. So he takes this back, and he decides Congress has a need-to-know, and Congress hasn't been told. Which I don't think was true. He didn't know that, but he thought the public also had a right to know. And I'm perfectly fine... He did the exact right thing you're supposed to do if you're a government employee if you think there's something going on that's not legal. And he did it the right way. So, I give him a load of credit for that. And then he explains what it was, and then he's briefing some of the congressmen on this. Now the congressmen are upset, saying, 'Well, wait a minute, we're in charge of spending for the government and what have you. We should have the ability to know this.' But what Congress doesn't realize is these programs, you know, they exist at a very, very high classified level. They're Special Access Programs, and I would say, maybe the Gang of Eight, if them, have the clearances to basically know of these programs. And even if they were to be told of the programs, they could never discuss it, nor could they ever debate it, publicly. It's not theirs to do. They would be told, officially, but just, you know, as a professional courtesy that these things are going on. "Don't forget, the CIA works directly for the President of the United States, all right? So if the CIA would be running this program (AFAIK, they are. ~Joe), they just, basically, talk to the president and the president talks to them. And those conversations are not subject to congressional notification, approval or anything else. And when CIA goes to the oversight committees and briefs their programs, the committees can't tell them, 'We don't like what you're doing.' Well, they can say that. But the only thing they can do, they can't stop the programs. All they can do is stop the funding. "So, you know, the intelligence agencies that work directly for the president answer to him and him only, really. They do tell Congress, because Congress does give them money and there is...that's been going on since 1975 now, and it's a great thing to do. And they've been very, very open and honest with Congress, and Congress, I think, has been wonderful about it. As a matter of fact, you know, Congress has, basically, said in some of these programs, 'Holy cow, this is great! Give a round of applause, you need more money, because what you guys are doing [is] great.' The relationship has always been very good. I thought, you know, between them." (But the folks in the intelligence agencies who are aware of the alleged Legacy UAP-related programs, do NOT tell Congress about them. Except, as Semivan said, MAYBE some members of the Gang of Eight. Certainly NOT members of Congress like Rep. Anna Paulina Luna or Rep. Eric Burlison. I think they have zero chance of being read in right now.) Semivan: "But that doesn't mean if the president, like Truman or Eisenhower, issued a presidential executive-action document or something along those lines, where he said, 'This is an extraordinary circumstance. I'm creating this super-secret thing that nobody gets to know about, not even Congress.' That's, basically, his...he can do that. That's in the power, that's in the Constitution. He has that right to do that without acknowledging." (THAT is how these alleged Legacy UAP programs are protected.) Semivan: "Now, has he (a president) done that without telling somebody? Probably there's one or two people in Congress that know about it at any given time. Maybe one or two people in the National Security Council know about it. Most presidents probably got a very generalized briefing on it, you know, saying, 'Yeah, this is real. If you wanna know more, we can tell you more. But, if you know more then you don't have plausible deniability anymore. And/or, you can't do anything about it anyway, because we don't understand it. But if something happens [and] we discover something that's groundbreaking or earth shattering, we'll come back and tell ya.' "So, imagine if you're a President of the United States. Do you really want to know this? Do you really want to have that hanging on your shoulders? I think not. Particularly when you have somebody else doing the job for you."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1964791704948703671/amplify_video_thumb/1964765866677141504/img/Oc6iqDE9eLvsulqq.jpg)
![🔥 Knapp and I, "have seen high-quality everything [UAP] that you'd ever want to see. It's amazing." ~Corbell 🔥 (Great way to end the year. Unless you think Corbell and Knapp are lying or have been fooled by nothing but fake photos and videos, the good stuff DOES exist. Damn. Wasn't expecting this, but it's very important to hear. You'll have to decide what this means for you. Happy New Year!) ~~~ Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell: "George and I are reporters and people send us stuff. He and I can both attest: We have seen high-fidelity, of things that like, are so egregiously bizarre, you guys (Knapp shaking his head up and down in agreement). I'll just admit it. We have been exposed to every type of footage you can imagine. Every type. Lots of it. And this has happened for a while, and I don't know what to do. I mean, as a journalist, we are able to be exposed to these things, and they're...you know, it's shocking. "There's a lot of footage from this aggregate program called IMMACULATE CONSTELLATION, and not even within that program. That program was just siphoning off. Here's the deal: Our sensor platforms - from space, to air, to sea, to undersea - pick up, all the time, highly-anomalous things that are unambiguously UAP. That's fact. I can attest to that as a human being sitting in front of you, that George and I have been exposed to it. I'm not gonna go any further today, but that is fact, we have been. "So, what happens is, you have our government saying, all of this reporting is coming in and it's going up on these classified servers, but like, what do we do with it, what do we do with it? So they've developed one of many programs that used to be called Immaculate Constellation, where they will pull the best of the best, a lot of it using AI. And they will pull these into an archive and have them assessed in secret groups. So that's what Immaculate Constellation actually was, was an aggregate program to take all of that footage, bring it, and nothing facing internally to the U.S. So if we're doing any exploitation (reverse engineering efforts. ~Joe), if it's anything with us? Nothing. But to other countries, and just passive and active picking up UAP, that's what Immaculate Constellation did. And now it's under a different name. But it does the same thing, and it's one of many programs. "So, I can attest, and so can George, that that footage of high-quality from all-domain is something that exists, it's unambiguous. Now the question is: Who do you show it to? Who gets to see it? What actions can they take? I don't know. I don't know. I'm not in charge here. Is there an adult in the room?" George Knapp: "Jeremy, DoD spokesperson says there is no record of anything called Immaculate Constellation within the Department of Defense. I guess it can't be real then, right?" Corbell: "You know, I think there will be clarity on that, because I think there's humans behind whistleblowing, and I think one day we're going to learn more about that. I hope that that helps. Like, when David Grusch came forward, and he said, 'Look, I dug into all these black projects, and I had 40 witnesses.' By the way, it's not the people that you know of and this sort of thing. This is like, deep within our intelligence agencies. David Grusch DID bring 40 people to the IC IG. He did do that. He told it like it is. Yeah, it exists. It exists. It's the most frustrating thing in the world, once you know for sure that high-quality data exists and that people that should see it haven't seen it, and you're kind of stuck. You don't know what to do about it. That's how I feel.: Knapp: "But maybe a technicality could be it exists or existed, but not within the Pentagon." Corbell: "Oh, yeah, all those games like, Immaculate Constellation was not a DoD USAP. So that's like, why you see Susan Gough like, technically, she's telling the truth. So, Immaculate Constellation was a USAP (Unacknowledged Special Access Program ~Joe) under a different heading. So imagine this: Imagine even the Department of Energy has its own USAPs. The White House has its own USAPs. So you can technically say it's not under DoD. They might have actuated some things for that operation, which was an operation, Immaculate Constellation, but they can get away with these technicalities. But there are USAPs in a lot of different departments, as you can imagine." Joe Murgia - Joe Murgia: "I am not letting you guys get away with not commenting again on what you've seen, image-wise. I mean, have you guys seen craft, structured craft, up close (Corbell and Knapp both shaking their heads up and down)?" Corbell: "Yep." Murgia: "Flying saucer-type craft?" Corbell: "Yep." Murgia: "Triangles?" Corbell: "Yeah." Murgia: "What else can you say about that?" Corbell: "The weirdest sh*t I've ever seen in my life, man. As journalists, we get a lot of weird stuff, and George and I, we'll look at it and assess it, and it's legitimate, and we've seen it. And, yeah, I don't know what else to say, George, unless you want to say something." Knapp: "We've seen stuff that we're not supposed to see. Put it that way." Murgia: "From government sensors?" Corbell: "Oh yeah." Knapp: "Yeah." Corbell: "Yeah. Look, as journalists, we don't know at first, right? Like, we'll get a bunch of information. We'll be exposed to a bunch of information. It's a very tricky place for us to be. First, are people f*cking with us? You know, is this a lie, is this real? We had that debate about the Jellyfish. Like, we had to, like, dig in and find out, which base, where was it, who's seen it? Multiple sources that have seen it at that base. It takes time. We're in that position now. We've been exposed to a lot of stuff and everything you just said, Joe, yeah. I mean, I could tell you as a friend, straight up, George could affirm this, with his own eyes, too. What that means, I don't know, and I don't know where to go from there. But we have seen high-quality everything that you'd ever want to see. It's amazing."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1874258646508634486/ext_tw_video_thumb/1874246145226268674/pu/img/B2QPH6uyoAol1MiH.jpg)
![Hero–Doctor Kirk Moore, who's now facing 35 years in prison, defends his decision to give saline injections instead of COVID death jabs: "What law did I break?.... [there was] no ingredient list... no toxicity studies... [the jabs were] studied for a total of two months." This clip of board-certified plastic surgeon Dr. Kirk Moore (@Moore22K) is taken from an interview with Shannon Joy (Shannon Joy) posted to Rumble on June 10, 2025. ----------------Partial transcription of clip--------------- "So my one position that I've said all along is, what law did I break? There is no law. There was no Covid law passed. There was no. Nothing that said that I had to do whatever the government says that I need to do. There's no law that says that. And the government is trying to kind of put me into this fraud side, like you said, you know, saying I. That I absconded or I misused or I purloined, you know, $28,000, $28,800 worth of product that they gave me for free and that, you know, that I had a contract with them to give it in such a way. So, I think that's, you know, that That's That's the law side of it. "The ethical side of it wasn't that hard for me. I'm doing what my patients wanted me to do. After a full discussion of what it is. I, have no ingredient list. I don't know what this product is. There are no toxicity studies. There are no carcinogenic, you know, carcinogenic studies. There are no mutagenic studies. There's nothing out there. This is something that was studied for a total of two months. "And the control group was. Was terminated, because they found that it had 95% effectiveness. Once the numbers came out and it showed that that actual effectiveness was less than 1%, by an absolute risk reduction, then that in and of itself should prove, you know, should show that, hey, this is just ridiculous. There was no benefit. There's nothing out there. "You know, you look at Brook Jackson's study and what it was that she was, you know, that she's tried to present in Texas. That's been thrown out, at least twice now. And you just look at all of the. Everything that's behind it. You know, you mentioned, you know, the ethical side of it. You know, the AMA code of ethics says that a physician is supposed to take care of the patient that's in front of them. Okay? That's your oath. My oath is if you were my patient, I would take care of you. You tell me what your concerns are, you tell me, you know, what your symptoms are, and we come up with a plan. I explain to you what the pros and cons of that are, and then you and I come up with a plan on how to treat you. "And I'm not treating you for your husband or your kids or your neighbors or anybody else. I'm treating you that's in front of you. Okay, that's in front of me. And we come up with a plan. So that's the code of ethics. "There's also a known issue with medicine and the legal system. And the, again, the AMA code of ethics says two things. We know that there is going to be a conflict between ethical and moral medical treatment of people and the law at times. And so as a physician, your duty is to try to do what you can, to do both to take care of your patient and to kind of reconcile the law. "So I did. I went to the state of Utah, I went to the House, I went to some of the Senate subcommittees, I, I was, I testified in some of these committee hearings, to try to get laws changed, mandate laws, mask mandates, Covid mandates, shot mandates. And we were successful. In the state of Utah, we were able to pass laws, that reversed the mask mandates. That made it actually, to some degree, a fineable offense for businesses to require Covid vaccines in order to go to work and to go to school. "And so that was my first step. The second step out of this is that if you cannot change that during the time that you're doing, you are, by ethics and moral values, you are required to take care of your patient in front of you, not to abide by, like you said, to abide by the law. So where is the AMA and all this? That's their code of ethics. I don't see them standing behind me and, you know, and trying to support the medical values and ethics that they, that, you know, that they claim on their website is one of, you know, one of their, you know, bastions of health and what physicians need to do."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1932910733140111732/amplify_video_thumb/1932907167931088896/img/iZ_xepSyv5UUHCM_.jpg)
![💥 Semivan Blockbuster 💥 I know where the legacy programs are located. You should take [Grusch] and everything he says to the bank. It's our inalienable right to know about this. "I've had other people involved tell me, 'If you only knew the depth and complexity of this and if you knew how frightening it is, you would understand the government's reluctance to even admit...we're not alone.'" "I think there are probably members of the Gang of Eight, maybe not all of the Gang of Eight, who know about this." ~Semivan (Reminder of who makes up the current Gang of Eight... US Rep. Mike Turner - Jim Himes 🇺🇸🇺🇦 - Mark Warner - Senator Marco Rubio: Archived - Speaker Mike Johnson - Hakeem Jeffries - Chuck Schumer - Mitch McConnell ) ~~~ My comments in ( ) Jim Semivan: "...in the end, and I've I've mentioned this to people in Congress...basically what's going on is a battle between the executive branch and the government entities that work for the executive branch, primarily, and then Congress themselves. Congress has a right to oversee anything where U.S. government funds are being used. The executive branch, on the other hand, is basically saying, 'Look, that may be the case, and we will advise Congress, but not at the level you want us to advise Congress.' "I think what's going on now is, there are these legacy programs that are out there. I'm not gonna get into where they are located. I do know where they're located, and, you know, and things along those lines. Dave Grusch, by the way...a very, very nice man. You should take him and everything he says to the bank. I mean, he's not uttered a false word, as far as I know, and I gotta commend him for coming out like this and putting his reputation on the line and everything else. "But what you have really is this idea that - and it's not just national security, per se - but you have Congress saying, 'Look, we need to know everything about this.' And you have the executive branch coming back and saying, 'Well, no, because there are other elements of this that you're not aware of that we don't think would be suitable for public disclosure, or even for disclosure to most members of Congress. "So I think what's happened is, in the very beginning, I think what had happened was Eisenhower, or maybe Truman, but probably Eisenhower, sometime in the early 50s - in other words, to get this whole topic of UFOs and UAPs under control - probably executed a presidential, executive action document. Which basically, is pretty interesting, not many people know about those. But the president has rather extraordinary powers and under extraordinary circumstances, he can come out and he can basically say, 'Okay, we're going to do X,Y and Z and this is who we're gonna tell and this is who we're not gonna tell, 'and that's that's pretty much it. And it has a pretty strong, legal precedent. And I think that's what happened. "And I think what he did was basically say, 'I will notify...we'll make this, what we now call...back in those days, we didn't have that, but what we now call a waivered (waived ~Joe) unacknowledged Special Access Program. Which basically means that nobody gets to know what the hell it is unless you're on this BIGOTED list, this very, very highly restricted list. And usually, that would only include the president and whoever he deems it necessary for them to know." ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (When Admiral Wilson found the crash retrieval program in 1997 and visited the location, he wasn't given access and a tour but was shown the BIGOT list. It included the names of civilian program employees but no names from the White House, no president and no members of Congress or their staffers. A handful were Pentagon individuals that Wilson recognized, a few were from the Office of the Undersecretary of Defense for Acquisition and Technology, and someone at the NSC who was a Pentagon SES employee.) Wilson/Davis Notes ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ Semivan: "So, I think that's what's what's going on here and I think Congress wants to know more about it. And I think there are members of Congress who know about this. I think there are probably members of the Gang of Eight, maybe not all of the Gang of Eight, who know about this. But I think over the years, the past 80 years, that Congress has been informed, but in a very, very limited way. Now, you can make a strong case, I think, by saying that, 'No, this is something we need to know.' You said this in 'Them,' one of the very last things you said was, 'We need to organize a way to find this, organize it and what have you, and theorize about it.' But you also said it was the right, our inalienable right - and I agree with you - to know about this." Whitley: "It's a right but it's a rather dangerous one." Semivan: "Yeah. Let me also add...when you think about this, there are national security issues, naturally, associated with this but I don't think that's enough not to say, 'Look, we're being visited,' or 'We have visitors and we're not alone in the Universe or other non-human intelligences are around.' But you have to wonder - and let me give the government here the benefit of the doubt in some respects - why over 80 years...what did they know? What did they come across that is so problematic that they will not discuss this in any way, shape, or form? That's something that I've been thinking about and I've had other people involved tell me, 'If you only knew the depth and complexity of this and if you knew how frightening it is, you would understand the government's reluctance to even admit something that's...what is so obvious to all of us, is that we're not alone and there are other non-human intelligences with us on this planet." #ufos #ufoX #uap #aliens #paranornal #supernatural](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1746261347636215937/ext_tw_video_thumb/1746241224082923520/pu/img/hZYEsRTFCuj3IW5y.jpg)
![Former medical coder/whistleblower: "Palantir has program[s] called Tiberius & Gotham...used in healthcare &...these programs in Gaza called Where's Daddy and Lavender...used for drone assassinations; all they have to do is [change] those program names...& its the same program" Former medical coder, whistleblower, and author Zowe Smith (Sheldon Diedericks) describes for Ryan Cristián (The Last American Vagabond) how Palantir—a software company founded with seed funding from the CIA’s venture capital firm In-Q-Tel that builds data analytics platforms to help organizations process and interpret large, complex datasets for decision-making—has software programs that are, in essence, dual-use for tracking hospital patients' personal information and selecting targets for annihilation in places like Gaza. Note that Palantir was instrumental for the execution of Operation Warp Speed per the endeavor's COO, Army General Gus Perna (see tweet 2). ----------------Partial transcription of clip-------------- "I know for sure Palantir, Epic, 3M, which are programs that I use personally in multiple hospital systems. They're used all throughout the country, are directly partnered with Palantir, for two different programs. There's a program called Foundry and there's a program called I forget the other. There were ones used for Operation Warp Speed that I don't know if, if they were used like directly in hospitals, but they had to be fed into that program, per, per Medicare rules. And that was, I think, Tiberius. "One thing I wanted to bring up too is so Epic and Palantir are partnered and I believe they use the same platform for their programs. So, late. This comes in part two, when I start talking about the drones that Palantir is also involved in, and they're using right now in Gaza, based on AI and facial recognition and your medical record data and your genomic information. So they're using all of that to target people. "And the way that Epic works is they have multiple programs, that are in like their, their main program. So like they'll have different suites and from different hospitals, they change the name. So it might not even be called Epic at a different hospital. So later on in part two, when I talk about how Palantir has these healthcare programs that were Operation Warp Speed, that was Gotham and Tiberius, well, all they have to do is change the name of that program and it's the same program. It does the same thing. They just change the name for like a different institution and they kind of personalize it a little bit for their personal use, but it does the same functions basically for different clients. "So I would put all my money in the basket that says Palantir uses that same trick. So when I say Palantir has a program called Tiberius and Gotham that's used in healthcare and then I say that Palantir also has these programs in Gaza, or we think Palantir has these programs in Gaza called, Where's Daddy and Lavender that are being used for drone assassinations. All they have to do is take those program names Tiberius and Gotham and change them to Where's Daddy and Lavender? And it's the same program right?"](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1928929623468810343/amplify_video_thumb/1928922694281498624/img/-SI67bhglHEfMK3g.jpg)
![🚨Medical coder/whistleblower: Here's how Palantir's "KILL CHAIN" programs were used to target and "EXECUTE" American citizens with COVID jabs/remdesivir/ventilators. "They identified different hospitals or different individual patients based on [their 'threat risk score'] and [that's how they] determined [who]...to execute...with their AI kill-chain Gotham program." This clip of author, former medical coder, and whistleblower Zowe Smith (Sheldon Diedericks) is taken from an interview with James Corbett posted to Rumble on June 17, 2025. ----------------Partial transcription of clip--------------- "So there was a program called HHS Protect during Operation Warp Speed, was part of Operation Warp Speed. That's where I think most of the public-facing infrastructure began. Although I was looking into Operation Stargate, and I'm seeing documentation on CIA databases that say it's more than 10 years in the making. So, definitely it's, it's a planned thing. It didn't just come out with day two, Trump administration. "But, so this HHS Protect program is really interesting because what it did, it used two different Palantir programs. So the AMA, HHS, the CDC specifically, all partnered with Palantir. And then Palantir developed a program for Operation Warp Speed. And that program, what it did was it assigned people a Threat Risk Score. And then that was a program called Tiberius, which they also use for other purposes. "So I want to make this point about AI, because when I was a medical coder, I was using a program which is a partner of Palantir, both 3M and Epic, and those are two different programs that I use that both have AI built into them that are partners of Palantir. And so all of these AI databases talk to each other as a condition of working with each other. So this has been going on for a very long time. But within Epic there are programs and you can rename them whatever you want, but it's the same program at any hospital across the country. So, like your program, Epic, might not be named Epic at Johns Hopkins or Mayo, it might have a different name at Johns Hopkins or Mayo, but it's still the same program. "So this program from Palantir called Tiberius, they can rename that whatever they want, but the program will still do what it was programmed to do. It's, it's just a function really. And HHS had two programs built in. Tiberius was the thing that assigned you a Threat Risk score. And that was if you were following lockdown criteria, if you were actually distancing from people, if you had been vaccinated, if you were masking, you know, how obedient were you, that was your threat risk score. They also could determine down to the zip code where you were and how compliant areas were. "And so, as Whitney Webb covers from the Unlimited Hangout, she wrote a article covering this program, HHS Protect, and highlights how this was used to target ethnic groups. So this threat risk score also incorporated your ethnicity and they thought, you know, you're higher risk if you're certain ethnic groups. So of course that was part of the risk score. And then Gotham is the AI kill chain program created by Palantir and that was used within HHS Protect to execute. "So the Gotham program, it takes the threat risk score from Tiberius and then it executes the threat or tells, does an AI decision making process and decides when and how and where to deploy the countermeasures. Which was your vaccine, your remdesivir and your ventilator. That is why HHS Protect was created so that they could monitor all of this. And that is how they identified different hospitals or different individual patients based on some algorithm and determined that's how we're going to execute people with their AI kill chain Gotham program."](https://image.24vids.com/tw-1935812481127260318/amplify_video_thumb/1935810337950867456/img/2xiaDpXG_Lvfqnr4.jpg)
![⾨ 🛸👽 Is Dr. Hal Puthoff a True Insider and Gatekeeper? 👽🛸 ⾨ "It SEEMS like there is that crash retrieval program." ~HP "I can't say that I personally have been absolutely briefed on the crash retrieval program." ~HP ~ Gerb on Fresh Freedom Podcast: "At the UAPDF → Disclosure Foundation event, you (Puthoff) stated, if you revealed everything you knew about the subject, you would go to jail. So, I'm gonna take that as assuming you may have worked in a specific-national-program capacity on such projects of exotic, or technologies of unknown origin." (It's well known that Puthoff was involved, via his company, EarthTech, as a subcontractor in the UFO program, AAWSAP. He was the Senior Science Advisor. He was also involved with the follow-up effort (not an official program) known as AATIP. And yes, much of what they worked on was classified, and as far as we know, that's still the case today. So, Puthoff just can't share all that he knows or learned from that, or he could go to jail. In theory. Was Puthoff read into some other UFO-related program or SAP that he's just not telling us about? It seems like that's what Gerb was insinuating. My opinion? I don't think so. And Puthoff explained where his knowledge comes from in this interview from January of 2025. Did Gerb not see this?) Dr. Hal Puthoff: "Well, a program like that, crash retrievals, and so on, and deep analysis. I mean, this is something that, if it's occurring, you know, is still behind the scenes and highly classified." (IF it's occurring.) Puthoff: "However, I've interacted with the various intelligence officers who've been given the job, officially - actual official jobs - to dig out what's true about the so-called Legacy programs and crash retrievals and so on." (He's saying that his knowledge of any UFO-related Legacy programs (including anything on crash retrievals) is based on what other people have told him.) Puthoff: "People like David Grusch, who appeared before Congress, under oath, and he made the statement that, in fact, there is a Legacy program, we do have access to crash-retrieved craft, even crash-retrieved biologics. Knowing him and where he came from...he was at the National Reconnaissance Office, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, at the highest level of clearances." (Grusch is one person Puthoff references as a source for details on the alleged crash retrieval program. And as Grusch has said, most of what he (Grusch) learned was from talking to others who claimed they were firsthand folks who worked IN the Legacy program. Grusch sent some of those folks to the Inspector General so they could share what they know. So, with this specific information (minus whatever photos or reports Grusch saw), Grusch is a second hand witness and Puthoff is a third hand "witness." Puthoff: "[Grusch] interviewed, as he claimed in his statement before Congress, over 40 individuals over a four-year period, and all this data was collected together, and it seems like there is that crash retrieval program." (Even Hal uses the word "claimed" with Grusch, and he also uses words that tell us (unless you're going to accuse him of lying) that he has NOT been read into any of those programs. "Seems like there is that crash retrieval program." SEEMS.) Puthoff: "So although I can't say that I personally have been absolutely briefed on the crash retrieval program..." (Pretty important sentence right there. He has heard things from folks (like the late Jim Ryder of Lockheed?) who claimed to have worked in that program, but he hasn't officially been read in or had to sign any NDAs, so he can speak about some of it. See my post from yesterday where Grusch says he's lucky he never signed an NDA or he would have had to keep his mouth shut.) Puthoff: "...I've interacted with people like Grusch and many others whose...I just simply can't say I'm not hearing the truth. So, I would put my stamp on the idea that there is such a program." (He's making a judgment on what he has been told. Obviously, I can't 100% rule out that Puthoff hasn't had SOME access to some of this information, and maybe he's seen the same photos that Grusch and Davis have referenced, and Bigelow has hinted at in one of his interviews with George Knapp. But I don't believe Puthoff is on the very inside and just pretending that he's not. We still have yet to hear from someone who worked in those programs, hands on. And yes, I know Puthoff seemed confused when Gerb asked him about the Legacy program being shut down and the timing related to that. I hope The Good Trouble Show with Matt Ford asks Eric Davis about that today. Play the clip of it for Eric. And I also know that sometimes, based on Puthoff's words, it seems like he may be a firsthand witness, but I think that's him just being casual with his words. This interview from 2025 makes it pretty clear how he learned all of this information, or alleged information. My Opinion: Dr. Hal Puthoff has never been on the inside of any UFO-related Legacy program and he is NOT a gatekeeper.)](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2073806696078815538/amplify_video_thumb/2073804274254176256/img/lY8XEYm1uSZ45Ik6.jpg)
