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David Sacks on How Anthropic is Ironically Running Surveillance on Their Latest Models “This is the company that said that it was against government surveillance. They are now retaining for 30 days every prompt and every output you send to one of these Mythos class models.”

277,927 次观看 • 4 个月前 •via X (Twitter)

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Chief Nerd 的头像
Chief Nerd4 个月前

Full Episode w/ @DavidSacks: @theallinpod

Anthony 的头像
Anthony4 个月前

We need a law requiring these models to be available for local offline use - these companies can’t be trusted at all.

ON MARCHE SUR LA TÊTE ! En France 的头像
ON MARCHE SUR LA TÊTE ! En France4 个月前

🦆

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Riyaz Sheriff4 个月前

Yep, this should be banned. People pay for their service. If prompts become a commodity, then Anthropic should pay back.

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Silver_1234🌊4 个月前

A beginner grabbing a super-sharp Japanese knife (like a high-end Yanagiba or Gyuto) is exactly like a regular user jumping straight into a Mythos-class model. The tool is incredibly capable, but it’s also unforgiving. One wrong move and you lose a fingertip — or in AI terms, you accidentally generate something dangerous, leak sensitive data, or trigger a safety incident. That’s why Anthropic (and most frontier labs) treat their strongest models differently

Alien 的头像
Alien4 个月前

the retention point stands on its own, every prompt and output held for 30 days is a record that can be breached, subpoenaed, or repurposed, regardless of who's pointing it out

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Njeriwamwea4 个月前

Sacks is just pissed off because @AnthropicAI is doing better than his heavy invested @OpenAI . Too bad, u lost. Deal with it but stop trying to tell the horse to wait for the donkey!

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smurf4 个月前

Yes, there is a major difference between a government nonconsensually mass surveilling their population versus a private company retaining data for training and safety purposes for 30 days.

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Carlos E. Perez4 个月前

Did he have a say in shutting down Fable or was he a complete bystander?

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KiefinItReal4 个月前

Sacks is on the administrations payroll to do exactly what he’s doing attempt to damage the credibility of any technology that does not fully submit to the administration anything related to FedGov & Tech coming out of this shill’s mouth should not be taken seriously

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brian4 个月前

well no shit sacks… OAI does iI, too. it’s the greatest surveillance tool every created since zuck… except ppl talk to it like their dr and don’t put on a mask for the public ala fb… now you have to create anon profile to use the model and craft your queries wisely. pay to play per usual. race to the bottom for data surveillance throttle and ads for the plebs

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nemonik 🇺🇲🐶4 个月前

This should suprise no one... There's a book written in the 60s that briefly describes a time when a small elite controlled AI, dictating the terms of life to exploit humanity by managing resources, governance, and military power effectively rendered people dependent on technology for survival and decision-making, leading to their enslavement and reducing them to mere cogs -- The book is Dune.

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Adam Knees4 个月前

Anthropic has always had the build ai safely approach so not sure why people are surprised by any of this. Whether or not that is intentionally so they can mitigate competitors development, we will see

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EpicCashOfficial4 个月前

David Sacks @DavidSacks calls it out like it is! Anthropic/Misanthropic is complicated - "It's like your uncle who paid for you to go to college but molested you."

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Stephen Prewitt4 个月前

It’s hard for me to believe anyone would pay for that product. Misanthropic makes Google and Meta look trustworthy in comparison.

Amanda L 的头像
Amanda L4 个月前

taken from Claude's android manifest. Note there are opt in caveats - but come on, man.

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mobiustripclub4 个月前

A disengenuous complaint, not least bc he's an early invester in Palentir, but also because underlying it is a strategy to eliminate other AI competition, & install an Open AI/Palentir hegemony- something we saw last night when the US admin. banned Fable 5..classic Thiel move

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~wave4 个月前

Private companies can log prompts for safety and users can walk away tomorrow. Governments can compel the data, punish based on it, and you cannot opt out. It’s the difference between a service you choose and power you cannot refuse.

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ORDI.NETWORK4 个月前

This is the reason why you need verifiable ai

Tim Willis 的头像
Tim Willis4 个月前

"Psycho-Eyes" Amodei and the Anthropic Goon Squad have competitors... I have a middle finger!

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St. Joan of Snark4 个月前

They’re kicking people off Fable and to Opus when asking questions on high risk topics. How is that a bad things

David Beckmann 的头像
David Beckmann4 个月前

I love David Sacks, thank you for your service. Stay away from Anthropic

Michael Spencer 的头像
Michael Spencer4 个月前

Does Sacks have financial interest in OpenAI winning? It certainly feels like it. Why would you put in VCs, angel investors and VC bros the be your "AI Advisors", it's totally corrupt with conflicts of interest.

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Youssef Almkari4 个月前

Not a good precedent to set. If it is going to be done, it needs to be done under total transparency.

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And Rew4 个月前

Gemini also keeps your data for 3 months. I own a Google Workplace account and Google will not let me delete my own data from my workplace that I pay for. Blew me away when I found out and I disabled Gemini though it still holds my data for 90 days. @grok could you confirm

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Glenn Scott4 个月前

No no no… this is not the most severe issue. The worst issue is, GIGO. AI is going to be a liar and shit due to the lies it is forced to take in. All these lies will make AI what? A liar. People who think they know better are creating omnipresent liars, worth nothing. Garbage.

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Katachi Labs4 个月前

How is retaining data any different from what Microsoft and Google do?

ANBEL 的头像
ANBEL4 个月前

David Sacks pointed out Anthropic's irony: they keep every prompt and output for 30 days while claiming to oppose surveillance

Nick None 的头像
Nick None4 个月前

How crazy for them is to implement the surveillance just before their IPO?

Ugne 的头像
Ugne4 个月前

lol the irony of positioning yourself as privacy-focused while keeping 30 day logs on every interaction is hard to ignore

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ladyjedi4 个月前

He is such a hater…at this point it’s just personal and not at all professional

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ssj2abid4 个月前

$TAO -> 2k+ easily

Atenov int. 的头像
Atenov int.4 个月前

what happens when you try to delete your prompt history?

Mike Joseph 的头像
Mike Joseph4 个月前

THIS IS CRITICAL TO UNDERSTAND

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