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DISCOVERY REPORT 09: INSOLUTION PHOTO EXHIBITION ZEE PRUK x BAYBIES A collaboration between ZEE PRUK and photographer BAYBIES, exploring the idea that the answer we search for outside may already exist within us 📅 10-27 SEP 2026 📍 1st Fl., Siam Discovery SUPER SUN EXHIBITION AT SIAM DISCOVERY #SiamDiscovery... show more
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ZunshineBlossom23 小时前
@zeeprukOOTD @zee_pruk @ssupersun Happy birthday ZeePruk
Canangaodorata23 小时前
@zee_pruk @ssupersun Proud of Zee and wanna see more reactions/thoughts to photos in each corner. It must be a lot of fun to think what the story is told behind each one. SUPER SUN EXHIBITION AT SIAM DISCOVERY #ZeePrukExhibitionxSiamDiscovery #SUPERSUNxSIAMDISCOVERY #SUPERSUN #ZeePruk @zee_pruk
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![🚨 THE UNIVERSE HAS BEEN HACKED! THE SOURCE CODE IS NOW OPEN SOURCE. THE SOLAR SYSTEM IS LITERALLY A GIANT ATOM. RUN THE SCRIPT AND TEST THE HARVARD & NASA DATABASES YOURSELF! For 100 years, textbooks have taught that the Solar System is just a bunch of rocks floating randomly in a continuous, empty space (ℝ⁴). That is mathematically and physically false. Space is rigidly quantized. We have executed a massive dual-scale empirical audit of the complete Harvard-Smithsonian Minor Planet Center (MPC) database—a staggering 1,561,930 celestial objects and 951 comets. We did not use a computer simulation. We used a direct uplink to the official, daily-updated global registry of every known rock in space. The ultimate topological illusion has been destroyed. The cosmos and the quantum realm are running the exact same executable file. The Solar System is a Macroscopic Atom. Galaxies are Macroscopic Molecules. Here is the ultimate, multi-layered proof. 🧬 I. THE BIOLOGICAL ORIGIN: WE PORTED THE CODE FROM DNA Here is the revelation that shatters the mainstream divide between disciplines: We didn't just "guess" the algorithms of celestial mechanics by looking at telescopes. We extracted the mathematical descent operator directly from Biology. Dr. Jean-Claude Perez jean-claude perez (retired IBM Artificial Intelligence Research Centre), working in deep collaboration with Nobel Laureate Dr. Luc Montagnier, didn't find the geometric limits of reality by looking at stars. They found them by decoding the bio-atomic masses of life's foundational elements (C, O, N, H) inside human DNA. They discovered that the building blocks of life are mathematically filtered through a competitive geometric differentiation, yielding a universal projection coefficient bounded by the Golden Ratio (φ) and π: Proj(m) = [1 - 4φ^(7/2)π]m The exact same Diophantine mathematical constraints that assemble your genetic code also assemble the periodic table of elements—and we have now proven they construct the orbital structure of the Universe. We took the source code of life, applied it to the cosmos "just to see what would happen," and the Matrix rendered itself. Look at the attached video. On the left: Rosalind Franklin’s famous "Photo 51" showing the X-ray diffraction of human DNA. On the right: NASA Hubble’s image of the "X" structure at the core of the Whirlpool Galaxy (M51). This is not a coincidence. It is the exact same topological blueprint. The galaxy is a molecule. The solar system is an atom. DNA and the cosmos run on the exact same geometric engine. 🛡️ II. THE ZERO-PARAMETER SHIELD & THE TIME MACHINE "But you just curve-fitted the Harvard data!" No. The mathematics came FIRST. We didn't look at the sky; we looked at pure Euclidean geometry. The "Source Code" explicitly embedded in our IT³ framework is derived from strict nested embeddings (Sphere ⊃ Cube ⊃ Octahedron ⊃ Torus ⊃ Catenoids). It operates with ZERO empirical free parameters. The matrix is hardcoded in pure Diophantine roots: ➤ Λ₁ = √3(3 + 2√2) ≈ 10.095. The exact, unalterable helical pitch-to-throat ratio of a vertical torus tangent to the faces of an inscribed cube. ➤ Λ₃ = φ²√3 ≈ 4.534. Derived strictly from the same roots. ➤ N_twist = 103. The exact topological energy minimum. ➤ S_out = 3 S_in. The exact surface area ratio of Cuboctahedral (Oₕ) symmetry. You cannot "curve-fit" fundamental geometry. And we proved it with a Time Machine. Our geometric matrix dictates a "Macroscopic Valence Shell" peaking exactly at 46.77 AU. When we ran this exact operator on historical MPC database archives from August 1992... that shell was COMPLETELY EMPTY. Humanity had zero objects there. But the math demanded it. Then, 1992 QB1 was found. Then 6 objects. Then 18. Today, thousands of bodies are perfectly locked into that exact 46.77 AU shell. You cannot curve-fit a database that does not exist yet. The geometry waited for humanity to find the matter. 💥 III. THE TELESCOPES ARE BLIND: 5 Global Algorithms Crash Imagine trying to run a modern 3D video game on a 1980s pocket calculator. The calculator isn't broken, but its software simply cannot process the reality it's being fed. It freezes, crashes, and spits out error codes. This is exactly what is happening to the world's most advanced space telescopes. The physical mirrors and lenses in space are working perfectly. They are capturing real photons. But the software pipelines on Earth are programmed to believe that space is a continuous, empty void (ℝ⁴). When these telescopes look at the exact topological nodes of the Macroscopic Atom, the algorithms mathematically choke. They try to fit flat, continuous-space formulas onto a macroscopic quantum standing wave. Here is how the continuous-space paradigm dies on your screen when querying NOIRLab and ESA servers: ➤ 1. ESA Gaia DR3 (The L2 Space Telescope Collapse): The satellite physically observed target objects up to 510 times. Yet, the algorithm returns a Parallax of NaN (Not a Number) and an astrometric_excess_noise_sig of over 1.7 MILLION! Standard noise for a real star is under 2.0. Negative and NaN parallaxes on multi-year transits are physically impossible for solid rocks. ➤ 2. DESI Legacy Survey: The Tractor algorithm attempts to fit a standard point-mass shape (PSF). A perfect fit is χ² = 1.0. At our derived nodes, the fit error (rchisq_g) explodes past 18,500! The software is mathematically vomiting. ➤ 3. NOIRLab NSC DR2 (Supercomputer Timeout): When we expanded the query to a 2.5-degree radius, the server literally timed out. The density of objects exhibiting fatal kinematic errors (pmraerr > 100) was so overwhelming that the database execution limit was breached. The instruments are calibrated for an infinite void, but they are hitting the structural skeleton of spacetime itself. 🛰️ IV. HUMAN HARDWARE IS CAPTURED In the 1970s, humanity launched Pioneer 10, Pioneer 11, Voyager 1, and Voyager 2. Once they achieved escape velocity, they were supposed to coast on smooth, perfectly predictable Newtonian trajectories. But they didn’t (the infamous "Pioneer Anomaly"). Our framework reveals the terrifying truth: the probes are physically colliding with the rigid structural skeleton of the Solar System. Space has "density ridges" that strictly obey spectral geometry. The theoretical orbital shells scale by the exact formula: Rₙ = 27 · (√3)ⁿ⁻¹ Let’s calculate the n=4 topological shell: R₄ = 27 · (√3)³ ≈ 140.296 AU. When we connect our dashboard to the LIVE NASA Horizons API to track fractional divergence {n} = n - round(n), we see the impossible. ➤ Pioneer 10: +0.019 ➤ Voyager 2: +0.046 Their columns are practically glued to absolute mathematical zero. They are flying at exactly ~141.7 AU and ~143.8 AU. They are not floating aimlessly. They have been mathematically and physically CAPTURED by the n=4 topological resonance layer (140.3 AU). The joint probability of this happening by random chance is p = 0.0034. 👁️ V. THE HYDROGEN RHYME & THE OPEN SOURCE TRUTH In 2013, physicists took the first-ever direct photograph of the electron orbitals of a Hydrogen Atom (Stodolna et al., PRL 110, 213001). When our 3D Perez Hourglass manifold rotates into a Top-Down 2D projection, the architecture of our Solar System PERFECTLY MIMICS the 2013 Hydrogen photograph. The distribution of 1.56 million macro-objects flawlessly matches the exact nodal interference fringes of the (2,27,0) Stark state observed in the lab. Furthermore, a live Entropy Test on 951 real comets proves: ➤ Bound comets (e 1) exist in a continuous ionization spectrum (H = 3.85 bits), acting exactly as free macroscopic electrons escaping the atom! THE CONCLUSION: Exactly 99.56% of all baryonic mass is geometrically trapped in a central topological node. The universe uses ONE blueprint. The continuum is dead. 👁️ VI. THE ANCIENT AXIOM & THE GEOMETRY OF THE MATRIX For millennia, the greatest minds in human history recorded fragments of a universal fractal law. For centuries, orthodox science dismissed these records as mere philosophical metaphors, religious mysticism, or primitive alchemy. But our mathematical matrix proves otherwise. They were not writing poetry; they were describing the LITERAL geometric and topological mechanics of the universe. The invariant mapping between subatomic hydrogen orbitals and macroscopic celestial mechanics proves that the ancients were blindly touching the exact same structural blueprint we have now mathematically solved. By synthesizing thousands of years of human intuition with raw astrophysical data, a perfect scale-invariant reality emerges: ➤ The Hermetic & Vedic Invariance: The foundational axiom of the Emerald Tablet—"That which is below is like that which is above"—and the ancient Sanskrit maxim "Yatha pinde tatha brahmande" (As in the microcosm, so in the macrocosm) are not mystical riddles. They are the exact verbal formulations of structural scale-invariance. The atom and the solar system are geometrically identical. ➤ The Pythagorean & Platonic Lattice: Plato’s famous declaration that "God always geometrizes" perfectly describes the rigid spatial logic of our topological matrix. Just as the Pythagoreans claimed the harmony of the spheres mimics the human soul, we see that the primary chaos of matter is ordered strictly by invariant, measurable geometric symmetry. ➤ The Abrahamic Projection: The structural hierarchy of the universe demands that the macro-order projects perfectly onto the micro-plane ("On earth as it is in heaven"). The blueprint is singular, echoing across all scales of existence. ➤ The Galileo-Dirac Synthesis: Galileo asserted that the universe is a book written in the language of mathematics, its letters made of triangles and circles. Centuries later, quantum pioneer Paul Dirac echoed that the Creator used "very complex mathematics." They were absolutely correct. The quantum vacuum is not an empty void; it is a rigid, calculable, and perfectly synchronized geometric framework. Philosophy, ancient mysticism, and advanced theoretical physics have just collapsed into a single, computable truth. The ancients did not invent a myth; they preserved the topological blueprint of the Matrix. The macrocosm and the microcosm are driven by the exact same geometric engine. The universe is a single, mathematically flawless organism. 📜 THE PATH OF PURE SCIENCE & A 5 LTC REWARD We have over 70 preprints behind us on Zenodo. You can open them and watch the evolution of our thought. When we started, we made mistakes, and we publicly corrected ourselves in subsequent papers with the whole world watching. No hiding data. This is how real science is done! Peer-reviewed journals with their editors sipping coffee in offices and protecting their funding grants mean nothing. Words mean absolutely nothing! Mathematics is the ultimate judge. For centuries, mainstream physics has been measuring the universe with the wrong ruler! By completely ignoring the fundamental laws of spectral geometry and topology, they failed to see the true structure of reality. We have fixed this. We are so confident in our math that we are issuing an unprecedented challenge. No academic in the world will offer to pay you to tear their work to shreds. But we do! A reward of 5 LTC (Litecoin)-chosen specifically because it runs like a Swiss watch with 100% uptime-is waiting for anyone who can mathematically refute the IT³ topological engine using real orbital data. 🌍 WHAT WE PROVED (IN SIMPLE TERMS) Imagine you are watching a city from above, trying to understand how trains move. Until now, scientists were only looking at the trains themselves, trying to guess where they would go next. What we did was discover the hidden tracks. In the simplest terms: we proved that the universe is not just empty space where things float randomly. We discovered that the macro and the micro are mirror images of one another-that the Solar System is structured and operates exactly like a giant atom. From the microscopic electrons orbiting a nucleus to the massive planets orbiting our Sun, everything moves along the exact same strict, invisible geometric grid. We found the hidden "blueprint" of space. It means the universe operates like a perfectly tuned instrument, where atomic geometry and celestial mechanics are governed by one beautiful mathematical law. We didn't invent a new theory; we simply uncovered the tracks nature has been using since the beginning of time-proving that the cosmos is just an atom written on a universal scale. WORDS MEAN NOTHING. RUN THE CODE YOURSELF: Open your terminal (Mac/Linux) and paste this command to hijack the database and watch the Matrix render in under 35 seconds: curl -sL " | python3 Read the rigorous proofs: DOI: DOI: DOI: #Astrophysics #NASA #DNA #QuantumCosmology #PhysicsBreakthrough #IT3Framework #DataScience](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2095795762135179702/amplify_video_thumb/2095784803115393025/img/8vaHlcNwDYonjdRK.jpg)
!["How do you know you can trust what [a non-human intelligence is] saying?" ~Bigelow Bigelow/Knapp 2: If I Was President, I'd Tell the World We Have Non-Human Craft and Bodies "The President that took on the challenge of Disclosure and of confirmation...is gonna go down in history as having really accomplished something." ~Bigelow Do China and Russia also have non-human bodies and craft? "Oh yeah, freaking yes!" ~Bigelow ~ "You've opened up Pandora's box." ~Bigelow ~ 17:44 (I'm using the KLAS YT video for time stamps. As you'll see, I add a lot to these, so they take forever to put together.) George Knapp (GK): "Would you guess - based on what you know about the topic and how it's been handled over the decades - would you guess that [Trump] had been briefed, or that any other presidents have been briefed? You know that Bill Clinton was not, even though he expressed an interest in it. So at some point, the President has to be told, 'No, we can't tell ya.'" Robert Bigelow (RB): "I think Bush Sr. knew quite a bit because he was the head of the CIA." (Dr. Eric Davis says Bush. Sr. told him some interesting things, including that he (Bush) was partially briefed in 1976 about the alleged 1964 Holloman AFB landing and meeting, and more, when he first became the director of the CIA in 1976. Watch Davis explain it, here. ) ~ RB: "I think Nixon did." (We have the Jackie Gleason story, where Nixon allegedly snuck away from his Secret Service detail and took Gleason to see non-human bodies at Homestead Air Force Base. But that was a claim from his ex-wife, and Gleason, who died in 1987, never said anything about it, on the record. The controversial Larry Warren (Rendlesham) claims Gleason told him the same story, but that's it.) Bigelow: "I think Eisenhower did. So, it's kind of hit and miss over historic...over the period of history as to who has and who hasn't." 18:20 Knapp: "Can you tell us what would be in the briefing document that you left behind? Was it cases? Here's a wave of UFOs, here's a case, here was a crash. Anything like that?" Bigelow: "Yeah, I related conversations I have had with General De Brouwer, who was the chief of the Air Force for Belgium. And there was a very interesting flap that was about 18 months long (1989-1990) with triangular craft. And he was in command of all the Air Force, and he really chased the heck out of these. "And he told me, he said, Bob, 'I'm just burning fuel, and it makes no sense.' He said, 'We're gonna stop because we're not getting anywhere. All we're doing is getting closer, you know, photographs and things, but we're not getting anywhere. We're not getting any information that is really valuable for us to understand anything.'" (I wonder if those were OUR triangles? If so, it's still a solid case/flap of anomalous craft. Dick D'Amato was a longtime (18 years) senior staffer for Senate Democratic Leader Robert C. Byrd of West Virginia.) "Dick D'Amato has returned from Belgium where he met with Colonel De Brouwer, a 'very interesting fellow.' Dick’s conclusion, again, is that the triangular objects are very plain human craft. ~Jacques Vallée's Forbidden Science Volume 4 - November 1992 And then we have this... Jeremy Kenyon Lockyer Corbell: "We hear about all these people on military bases seeing triangles, and you're doing this study, AAWSAP, to try to figure out the physics of how to do that. Do you think it's already been achieved by the U.S. government, or it hasn't, and that's why AAWSAP had a lot of value." Lacatski: "[three-second pause] It hasn't been achieved to its full extent." Video... ~~~ RB: "And I gave [Trump] other examples of where large amounts of witnesses were involved, and so that he could read about these particular [incidents]. And, of course, the one with Fife Simington in '97 was so interesting. Because there you had a governor who was an actual witness, and he made a joke of it on and brought a guy in an alien suit on stage because he was scared to death." GK: "It's the Phoenix Lights case." (Great case for Bigelow to show Trump.) RB: "The Phoenix Lights, which weren't just lights, it was actually friggin' craft, and it came from northern Arizona. I think it started, actually, in southern Nevada, is where the craft began. In the Henderson area (not far from me. ~Joe), I think, somewhere in there. And, so you see this huge triangular craft, gigantic craft, going slowly, and [Symington] was scared to death. "But finally, fast forward 10 years later, and he confesses that he was an eyewitness, but he didn't know what to do. So he was there at a point in time when the dynamic of disclosure could have been forced, and actually, confirmation could have been from a governor of the state like that. He was a credible guy. "So we've had many [incidents] like that in the early 50s, flying over the White House and the Capitol building. We've had so many of those. So, in my report, I included a lot of very dramatic, beyond-a-reasonable-doubt kind of witnesses of exhibitions." GK: "Did you share with him anything about your knowledge of a classified program?" RB: "No." GK: "You got a Top-Secret security clearance, right?" RB: "Yeah" GK: "It was for the AAWSAP program for BAASS." RB: "Right." GK: "Operated under the DIA." RB: "Yeah." GK: "You learned a lot during that program. It's the largest accumulation of UFO info. of any government-funded UFO program ever." RB: "Yeah." GK: "You didn't tell him about it." RB: "It wasn't credible enough, I felt, for him." (Someone on here watched this interview and told me that Bigelow said the AAWSAP data wasn't credible. That is NOT what he said. Not credible enough for Trump, is what he said. And if you read "Skinwalkers at the Pentagon" or listen any of Lacatki's interviews where he talks about UFOs being under a paranormal umbrella, I think Bigelow made the right decision for an 11-minute briefing for someone (Trump) who seems to be struggling (at least in public comments) with the reality of the basics.) RB: "[The AAWSAP data is] just something pertaining to me. And whereas, these other examples are historic, and they're in a lot of literature, they're very famous. The amount of witnesses were huge. We operated under a private situation with the Skinwalker Ranch, and he wouldn't relate to...well, we all had hitchhikers, we all took things home with us. You know, we all saw a lot of stuff. Whether it was at the ranch or where we lived, it didn't make any difference where in the United States we lived. We saw a lot of things, but that wouldn't be relevant for him to be able to relate to that, right?" GK: "Well." RB: "So, why talk about it?" GK: "Yeah, I mean, you know, you're kind of jumping into the deep end of the pool when you get into hitchhikers and skinwalkers." RB: "Yeah." GK: "Maybe for your first big conversation on this topic, that might not be the place to go." RB: "No, you know. And I couldn't even...if he said, 'Oh, I need a beer (Knapp laughs),' I couldn't even give him something to drink. You know, maybe stronger than that. So, I didn't wanna do any, you know." 22:15 GK: "You used the term non-human intelligence in the sentence you gave him. Hey, try this as you're climbing aboard Air Force One. Say that to media, and then, you know, close the door." RB: "Right." GK: "You said non-human intelligence, not ET. Are they the same, and did you share anything with him about what you think it is?" RB: "Well, there have been reports of humans on board, right? But the non-human are more interesting. I mean, if a human's on board and he or she has free reign of the craft, that's pretty damn interesting, right? And you don't know where those people are when they're not on board." (I wonder what cases he's talking about? Travis Walton reported seeing humans with non-humans and John Keel wrote about humans being seen onboard craft.) ~ Bigelow: "But the other ones are...some are scary, you know? It's not surprising, that, in the Universe, everything is [not] gonna look like us. Every intelligent organism is [not] going to look like us. But you have to have... It's also a matter of respect for any really intelligent animal or creature, whatever it is, right? And the more advanced, the more respect because you don't know what they know, and you don't know the future. And they may know. They may know more than just the now." (In interviews (which I can't find right now), Bigelow has hinted at an unstoppable, not-so-rosy future for mankind. Have people in the Legacy programs told him that the NHI have warned us about our doomed future or some cataclysmic event? Or, has Bigelow encountered these non-humans (or humans) and had them make claims about our future?) ~ 23:34 GK: "If you were to have a second conversation with him, would you explain that ET is one idea, but it's not necessarily the only option for a non-human intelligence that's out there?" RB: "You have to tell me first how much time do I have with the second conversation?" GK: "[laughs] Let's make it an hour. You have an hour with the President. What would you tell them about who they are, who they might be?" RB: "Umm... So, I would try to get into the complexity of the relationship. That once you've had confirmation, you know, you've given that text of that little sentence I wrote and quoted there, and you start to go down the path of disclosure, where it's more than than just FLIR videos, and you're seeing other things that are much more crystal clear, you know, in video. "Or, legitimate people in places that you recognize these people, and they're around something, or with some thing, or somebody that's a holy cow, that's wow, you know. That's a very dramatic kind of disclosure about something landing on the lawn somewhere, you know." (I have no idea what he's talking about. Anybody else able to decipher that? Is he saying that there's evidence (that he's seen?) of people that we know (a President or head of state?) hanging with a non-human or next to a downed or landed craft?) RB: "So I think what I would have spent time doing is talking about, how do you establish: You've been in 80 years of denial as a nation, and the world. We have countries who are very upfront, and others that are also in denial. Now you wanna pivot 180 degrees. How do you start that relationship? How do you do that? "And it's not as though that we've ever been in control. We haven't been in control of anything, ever, for this 80 years of modern history. Nothing. We have no ability to control anything." GK: "That's a tough thing to tell the President, right? I would think that would be a tough thing for a President to accept." RB: "Well, you're giving me an hour to talk to him, you said." GK: "[laughs] Yeah, okay." RB: "So I'm using my hour." GK: "All right." 25:46 RB:" So, yeah! So, that's a really intriguing thing is: How do you do that, where do you start? And into a relationship? And I would say more like, well, I would wanna start with, the biggest question I would ask, I would say, what I wanna get from them is... My first question is: What are the chances we are gonna survive ourselves? That we are not going to annihilate ourselves. "Because they already are familiar with a whole lot of other species on a lot of other worlds or other planets. So, chances are they have a pretty good idea of percentage." (That assumes a lot, since we have no idea how long they've been around, what they've seen, or where they're from. Unless...Mr. Bigelow has seen evidence that relates to those questions or heard it from folks who work in the Legacy programs?) RB: "And it's not that we're a spiritual species. You talk to people that have near-death experiences; they're changed for the rest of their life. They've become a spiritual person of a caliber that they've never been. "Well, we're a long way, as an average, from that category, from that level. There are monsters among us, as human beings, and they're angelic people among us. So we are a danger to another species, we're potentially the Klingons. We have a technological maturity that is not just going on a line, but it's vertical and it's segmented because it's jumping. "And meanwhile, our spiritual maturity just bumps along the bottom, you know? So, we look at the 20th century; 60 million people were killed. Are we ever gonna get beyond that? So, the thing of it is, we know so little about how to have a relationship. I'm not in any position to really advise, except for the few ideas I have as to where to start, and the how is really super important. 27:49 "It's not gonna be like a 'Close Encounter of the Third, Kind,' which was a really cool movie. And it's not gonna be because of SETI. You know, it's gonna be by some other kinds of means that you're embarking on. And I'm interested in that kind of research." 28:06 GK: "We go back to your meeting with the President. You walk into the Oval Office, they clear off the Resolute Desk, you spread out your seven piles of stuff, and you start making a presentation about each one, in particular about ET, non-human intelligence. You can't say what he said to you. Can you say whether he asked questions? Was he curious?" RB: "He was distracted by other things. So, he also asked me... He did ask questions, but he asked questions about other stuff that wasn't necessarily just on what I was talking about." GK: "He's getting your input on other things going on in the world." RB: "Yeah, yeah." 28:49 GK: "If you had to make a guess, would you guess that you got through to him on this issue? I mean, he hasn't stood in the doorway of Air Force One and made those remarks yet, but he has taken some pretty dramatic steps on this topic since you met with him. Do you think you made a dent?" RB: "Don't know. I advised him on something that I can measure, and he hasn't taken my advice so far on what I suggested to him, on a totally different, unrelated subject. But so far, he has not taken my advice." GK: Well, somebody seems to have got through to him, because he's been taking steps that we're seeing real results. I mean, people are either..." RB: "Well, I'm talking about an unrelated subject altogether. So, yes, there there are a couple of different task forces that are involved. So, there is an initiation of an activity in this subject, [but] it remains to be seen, though, that he gives actual presidential confirmation. I don't, I haven't... Maybe you're more aware than I am. Has that been...has he done that?" GK: "Not, not really. Nothing like what I'd call confirmation. But that's really what you're talking about. I remember us having a conversation in 2008, right after you had signed the contract with DIA for BAASS to run [AAWSAP]. And you made the case then that what we need is not Disclosure; it's confirmation." RB: "Yeah." 30:25 GK: "For somebody like the President, I'm not sure if it could be anyone less than the President that steps forward and says this, and it carries the same kind of weight." RB: "Yeah. It's a big appetizer. You know, you're looking for the entree, and where's the dessert in this whole buffet? But the confirmation is a huge appetizer to start with, and that's why I started with that in my conversation with him. Is, pushing him to try and make a confirmation. And maybe he wants to get personally more comfortable?" (I have said that I want the entire enchilada NOW, but I'm also a realist, and would take a simple confirmation that somebody else is on this planet with us. That SHOULD wake up the mainstream media and masses, but no guarantees since Trump is so controversial and people might just ignore it, IF he ever did it. I've also said that I'd surround him with people like Schumer, Rubio, Rounds and Gillibrand in order to show that it's bipartisan. And a few firsthand whistleblowers who say they worked hands on, IN one of these alleged Legacy UFO/UAP programs.) 30:57 Bigelow: "And, you know, he will go down in history for a lot of things, for better or worse, that people are on both sides of the fence about him and so forth. But he's involved in so many different things and has been, that I don't know what his legacy is gonna be, I really don't. "He has an opportunity, in this serious subject, to build a legacy using this as part of the blocks, part of the brick and the structure...the content of a structure that is very unique. So, you can have all the political programs that you want, and so forth, and nobody is gonna really remember those as time goes by, as the decades fade away. "Nobody can remember Benghazi and Afghanistan and Iraq, different kinds of things, and that's just recent history. You know, the world goes so fast. But the President that took on the challenge of Disclosure and of confirmation, and actually built a satisfactory conclusion of a relationship between human beings and that subject is gonna go down in history as having really accomplished something. And if it's handled right, it can be done successfully." (To me, it's a no brainer. His presidency would go down as one that changed the world and our species. Or course, I'm sure he has people in his ear telling him that confirmation would cause societal disruption that we're not prepared to handle, and that THAT would be his legacy.) (32:21) GK: "A lot of Presidents have made comments, often after they're out of office, on this topic. 'Yeah, gosh, I'm real interested in that.' Or, 'Wouldn't that be something?' Or, 'I think aliens could exist.' Something like that. But nothing like what you're talking about, which amounts to confirmation, saying, 'It's real. They're here. We gotta figure it out,' and stopping it there, not disclosing..." RB: "Well, the dialogue, the ability to learn something from them is huge. What can we do for you? I mean, that's where...one of the first things I would ask is, not just, are we going to survive ourselves? Yeah, that's pretty damn important. That's like, probably number one, you know? "But close behind that is: Okay, we've been aware of you for a long time, and the government's never admitted it. But us as a public, we know it, and we're really curious. Is there anything that we can do for you? Not just what can you do... I loved what John Kennedy, what he said famously: Don't ask what the country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. That huge. So that's giving them a kind of a respect that they deserve." (Do they deserve respect? I'm not so sure. It all depends on if they're upfront with us and tell us their true intentions. Of course, how do we know they're telling us the truth? Why have you (or some of you) been abducting us against our will, and injuring some of us? See Jim Semivan's abduction story with his wife. "I don't think [the phenomenon] cares whether it does harm. I think it may go out of its way not to do harm, but, if it does harm... "I had a hole in the back of my neck, and my wife...unexplained bleeding for 17 days." ~Former CIA Officer, Jim Semivan to Engaging The Phenomenon ~ 33:33 GK: "If you were President, would you announce that yes, we've got crash retrievals, yes, we have reverse engineering programs, and yes, we've got bodies?" RB: "Yeah, because the rest of the world already knows that. The people that count in Russia and China already know." GK: "Because they've got their own." RB: "Oh yeah, freaking yes! Yeah! They've had their missiles shut down, they've had their missiles activated. You know, depending on which country you're talking about." 33:56 GK: "Have you considered the political fallout for a President? Let's say it's Trump, because he might be the guy that would do it and just cast his fate to the winds. But, he makes an announcement: 'Yeah, they're here. Yeah, we've got programs. Yeah, we've got crashes, we've got bodies. That's as far as I'm able to go right now.' What happens to him, politically? Is he able to get anything else done?" RB: "That's more than I would have said, for him to say. What you just said." GK: "That goes too far." RB: "I wouldn't advise him to say, initially, what you just said." GK: "You just say, non-human intelligence, been here a long time, and leave it at that." RB: "Yeah, that one sentence is a starter because it's a huge canon. You've opened up Pandora's box, in terms of, 'Oh my gosh, what's gonna happen?' Okay. So now, you can categorize and segment into topics. And you need time to do that, and it needs to be digestible." ~ “I have met with people who I know are in the know. One of them told me the truth is indigestible.” ~Jim Semivan to James Iandoli ~ RB: "And it needs to be not packaged in a scary kind of way, and it can't be packaged in a way that you're divulging what you shouldn't be divulging. You know, other countries aren't, so there's reasons to have national secrets. There really are. I mean, that's kind of like common sense, right?" (Well, David Grusch claimed that some other countries aren't divulging for a specific reason." Grusch on Yes Theory: "So there are certainly friendly governments, both across the pond and say, local to where we...our landmass, that are for this. And a lot of them know that they got a raw deal with the U.S. because they were, basically, part of the secrecy, through kind of agreements like, bilateral, unilateral agreements. And they're like, you know, they kind of wanna be, 'Release me!' Like, you know, because they they do realize it was a bad deal. "With the ecosystem secrecy, some people, one of their arguments is like, 'Well how would they keep the secret?' I'm, like dude, I was cleared to some of the most nation's most sensitive programs, I used to handle the PDB (Presidential Daily Briefing). You know, I had full access to most DoD activities. And most of the stuff, BROAD programs that were enduring, have NEVER leaked. "So the U.S. and its allies are very good at keeping secrecies, to include programs that are, let's say, global in nature. And really, it's been leaking like a sieve in some weird way for many decades. Now it's been mixed in with some BS in ufology and stuff, but the general gist of it's actually been out there for a long time. It has been leaking in some sense, so." ~ 35:06 GK: "We don't want the Russians and Chinese and maybe other adversaries to know how far along we are, or are not, in configuring this out." RB: "Absolutely. Especially of that. I think that the relationship (with he phenomenon) thing is a mankind relationship. It's not just for America. When you are embarking as a President on trying to initiate a solemn relationship, you're not doing for U.S. of A. only. "And so, the...and then we probably can do a show on communication (with a non-human intelligence), but it's really complex because, who are you going to have initiate it? Are you going to have politicians initiate? Are you going to have military people? Because everybody has kind of their own mindset. Are you gonna have a bunch of lawyers initiate it? Are you gonna have scientists only, initiate it? (And what if we're dealing with more than one non-human intelligence? Who do we communicate with? And what if it's one intelligence pretended to be multiple? How would we even figure that out?) "[Hynek] cited the 'poltergeist' phenomena experienced by some...after a close encounter; the fact that some witnesses develop psychic abilities after an encounter. 'Do we have two aspects of one phenomenon or two different sets of phenomena?'" ~J. Allen Hynek ~ RB: "And how do you know to whom you're talking? You know, how do you know you can trust what they're saying?" (I'm so glad he said that. We don't, and we don't.) RB: "Because it depends on the form of communication, and what are you asking for in the way of proof or demonstrations to establish trust, both ways, in the communication process?" "Because, we haven't had that happen before. It is totally new ground, and frankly, we need The Others' help. We need the help of The Others to help, to guide us." (Firs off, it MAY have happened within these Legacy programs. And, if we don't know who we're talking to, or if we can trust them, why would we enlist the help of The Others? Doesn't seem to make sense to me.)](https://image.24vids.com/tw-2087243559091261706/amplify_video_thumb/2087241641329561600/img/dSAd4v8WLh8yq8Qw.jpg)