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ERAM that is soooo disconnected from the "original game" that the second it leaves the game in question becomes some sort of meta cardboard cutout as it it never was a game. As if the "original game" itself left. Surely nothing important there!

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Lazy Nick1 month ago

like what you're meant to have pieced together by the end lf the sword route is that to be able to have the "original game" back is Eram's goal. Its what it uses to rope you into this and that's why mantle in itself has no freedom. because the true way to "freedom" is the weird

Lazy Nick1 month ago

route. That's how "YOU decide what to do". Thats the true "original game" and that's where Eram wants you to go. Eram is not separate from mantle and is never, and i mean never shown as something exterior and hostile to it. Nowhere beings can do all that just fine btw the

Lazy Nick1 month ago

forgotten man shows up in the light world, chp4 and 3 dark world AND in Undertale. If anything they have more freedom than anyone else.

Lazy Nick1 month ago

And that's of course not even speaking about the skies forever blue bullshit. Eram discussion is annoying because people will proudly claim the literal exact reverse of everything they stand for

Peni1 month ago

like eram confidently displays that they have work to do beyond whatever they did in the sword route. for your reading to work, the only way i can see it happening is if eram is allowed to exist because kris gave them power by acknowledging them e.g the fm, even if i dont agree

Lazy Nick1 month ago

They do need your help and says so explicitely. To get in the shelter most likely. Again this is a complete misreading of just how powerful and reality breaking Nowhere beings are.

Eleanor Red1 month ago

I literally don't know how one can see the description "Tenna modified the original game, but you can go play the original game back here" and conclude the original game is the modified version. It's just starting from the conclusion of ERAM being *DEVICE*_FRIEND

tree guy1 month ago

Eram being the original antagonist of the game that has been overshadowed by gaster's prophecy being the new plot of the game works rlly well. Eram would want to help you do the weird route because it would be playing the original game even, might have to kill the dragon though

ItsRoman1 month ago

Also why do people bring up Ramb saying this game is more "free" like gospel as if he isn't very obviously mirroring Spamton (Who literally ends up on strings when he tries to be a BIG SHOT, which "freedom is for") and Jevil (Who is literally imprisoned but insists he's free).

dyl1 month ago

Tu devrais ouvrir une chaîne YT, t’as trop de trucs à dire et ça te donnerait une beaucoup plus grande portée, surtout que tu dis des trucs vraiment intéressants

Lazy Nick1 month ago

ptet mais je suis pas sûr d'avoir le temp malheuresemnt

dyl1 month ago

Rien t’empêche de bosser sur tes vidéos sur des heures perdues, tfacon j’pense pas que tu sois pressé. D’autant que j’ai vraiment vu du monde avoir des vidéos à succès sur DR alors qu’ils font très peu de montage Enfin, fais comme tu veux

bon1 month ago

Isn't that ignoring what ramb said about the og game not being linear tho? Like assuming he wasn't lying, mantle is even more linear then tenna's so idk if that can truly be the original game The blazer titles and the ice palace make think its actually dragon blazers or smth

Lazy Nick1 month ago

Yes, but the point is that Eram is dangling keys here. Its message is "you want the original game? come work with me". Not "i HATE the original game and freedom"

alton🍉(comms open)1 month ago

my take: the "original game" is more of a symbol than anything and getting this deep into the weeds to find some random gotcha is kinda missing the forest for the trees. applies to both you and OP's arguments

⋈ Yisus ⋈1 month ago

It was already a broken world once it becomes two of the five places where we can find the Forgotten Man. It's also worth to note that Noelle found the horned door unintentionally, since she was meant to be lead by the White Cloak to somewhere else. But here, it's the only goal.

Lazy Nick1 month ago

right like yeah of course theres no freedom to be found by just going into the "lost land". the point is that its LOST.

Zero☠️1 month ago

What do you think ERAM is? I think it's the original villain of DT before gaster altered things, something deeply connected with the original protagonist, Kris

DragonSoul1 month ago

That feels like a stretch to me personally. This happens because Mantle is a parallel to our connection with deltarune and we have blurred the lines between the two connections. If ERAM is part of the original game, why does it have a different text font than the rest of the game

Absolute Units1 month ago

I think the disappearance could be the point: it suggests the “original game” matters beyond being a playable setting, not that it was irrelevant.

Xiso081 month ago

Tbh i dont think mantle is the original game either. I think eram is modyfing it to play a little bit and introduce the weird route to us. I have my own thoughs about eram but they are entirely "fan fiction" not based on facts

Kiwor1 month ago

it doesn't have to be that important. sure it could be showing how eram is essentially the game but it could also just be representing how eram wants to push the boundries and think outside the box

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