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🇷🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸‘European countries have devolved their sovereignty to Washington via Brussels and NATO…by giving Eastern European countries a veto over European strategy, we have endorsed attitudes which are not in the interest of a majority of Europeans.’ -Prof. Anatol Lieven, Director of the Eurasia Program at the Quincy Institute joins... show more

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🚨Prof. Anatol Lieven: NATO claims about Russia🇷🇺 threatening the Arctic are ‘UNBELIEVABLE, MENDACIOUS NONSENSE’ There is no imminent threat. This idea that the Russians are going to invade Svalbard, or somehow threaten to occupy Greenland is such unbelievable nonsense. No Russian is talking about that. What could they possibly gain? Some of the military experts in Britain, on the one hand, say that the Russian army is so weak and so demoralised and the Russian fleet has been defeated by the Ukrainians… And they say Russia is so weak that if we only give some more support for the Ukrainians and reject peace and carry on, Russia will collapse. On the other hand, Russia is so strong and the Russian navy is so strong that it can attack Norway and occupy Svalbard and threaten Britain. It’s very difficult to see that combination as anything other than deliberately mendacious.’ -Anatol Lieven of the Quincy Institute on the latest episode of Going Underground Watch the full interview in the quoted post, or watch it on Rumble, link below in the replies👇

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🇷🇺🇺🇦Prof. Anatol Lieven: ‘Europe would look ‘BLOODY STUPID’ if they u-turn and accept a deal to end the Ukraine proxy war is possible’ ‘They have nailed themselves, individually and collectively so firmly to the idea that this war must end in a complete Ukrainian victory. And they’ve nailed themselves to the idea that, Putin is the embodiment of all evil, and that he plans, if not stopped, to conquer the whole of Europe. But it’s very difficult for them now, to do a u-turn on that and accept that a deal is possible, without frankly looking bloody stupid. And when you’ve got whole establishments, not just governments, officials, but newspapers, television stations, think tanks, all of which have been saying exactly the same thing for three years, difficult to get them to change. The good reason, I suppose, is that some of them at least, are genuinely convinced of the Russian danger, and believe therefore that you’ve got to keep the war in Ukraine going because otherwise, if it comes to an end, Russia will rebuild, its armed, forces, strengthen itself, and threaten Europe. I myself regard this as utter nonsense. But I do know that there are a lot of people in Europe who genuinely believe this.’ -Anatol Lieven of the Quincy Institute on the latest episode of Going Underground FULL INTERVIEW BELOW IN THE REPLIES👇

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