Forget Chuck Cook UPL, it's the Devin's simple right hand turn that FSD needs to master first. I am blown away that software as good as FSD can make mistakes as simple but devastating as this. This is the second time in less than two weeks that FSD has... tried to pull infront of a vehicle on a VERY SIMPLE right hand turn. The car drove pretty much flawlessly all day today (3~ hours of driving) but it ends the day with a move like this and it just takes all the confidence I have with FSD away in a simple move. I understand that the version of FSD we have today is not what will be used in Austin in June, but the fact that FSD is making decisions like this and 'full autonomy' is less than 3 months away - it's a bit concerning to me. I would feel a bit better if a near flawless version of FSD existed 'in the wild' for several months before Austin happens, but that's just me. Tesla Model 3 HW4 FSD 13.2.8 Tesla AI Ashok Elluswamyshow more

You can never forget my turn. Its in the release notes.

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The car probably would have accelerated and merged in fine. It’s good that he took over, but he probably didn’t realize how much this version of FSD can accelerate to merge in. the right question to ask is: How often does FSD merge in too soon vs a human? And I think you will find FSD beats human much sooner than you’re expecting.

Obviously you're well versed with FSD, but I would say I spend more time than the average person using FSD. I use it 99% of the time on my drives, I make a lot of content related to FSD, etc. I would NOT be comfortable with FSD pulling out infront of a vehicle going nearly 80km/h with such a small gap. FSD does not use speed to escape situations like that. It would have ended up in either an accident or the other person in the van would have had to slam on the brakes.

@chazman Clearly that was intentional , there was no need to take over- the car will have turn just fine.

@chazman Jesus Christ, I could probably quite literally get t-boned while using FSD and some of you people would still defend FSDs decisions.

@chazman FSD struggles to react to vehicles moving into its path at high speed after it has begun moving. This critical issue has been exposed in multiple situations. It really needs to be addressed. @aelluswamy

@chazman On HW3 it can still at times go right into another fast driving vehicle. Also, a few days ago it tried passing a slower vehicle with someone coming from the front. Still not there but I see the possibility of even HW3 being unsupervised

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Based on my personal experience with FSD, versions 9 and 10 occasionally pulled out in front of oncoming cars, possibly because the repeater couldn’t detect them properly. With version 13, however, that issue no more—when it pulls out now, it’s clearly aware of its actions, and you’d be safe.

Totally understand where you’re coming from and it’s certainly very disappointing that it’s making such a simple error. Though it doesn’t bother me if current versions make these mistakes, but V14 doesn’t. They probably only need a week’s worth of driving to accumulate enough miles of evidence to prove the required level of safety for robotaxi launch.