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Fukushima's video (1986) shows a CNN that recognises handwritten digits [3], three years before LeCun's video (1989). CNN timeline taken from [5]: ★ 1969: Kunihiko Fukushima published rectified linear units or ReLUs [1] which are now extensively used in CNNs. ★ 1979: Fukushima published the basic CNN architecture with... show more
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It’s ironic that Schmidhuber credits Fukushima with inventing CNNs while overlooking several other deep-learning researchers—such as Galushkin—whose work dates back to the 1960s.

Galushkin was the pupil of Tsypkin whom I cite in the Annotated History of Modern AI and Deep Learning as follows: "See also Iakov Zalmanovich Tsypkin's even earlier work on gradient descent-based on-line learning for non-linear systems [GDa-b]." [GDa] Y. Z. Tsypkin (1966). Adaptation, training and self-organization automatic control systems, Avtomatika I Telemekhanika, 27, 23-61. On gradient descent-based on-line learning for non-linear systems. [GDb] Y. Z. Tsypkin (1971). Adaptation and Learning in Automatic Systems, Academic Press, 1971. On gradient descent-based on-line learning for non-linear systems.

@predict_addict Jürgen Schmidhuber never betrays the truth and history 🔥 Even if it seems that's the case, he will correct himself; my observation of him is he does his best to attribute the right part of history to the right people & doesn't have religious beliefs about "popular" attributions

@SchmidhuberAI Indeed, he is also great person in real life.

2026 update: 1st backprop-CNN for vision (Wei Zhang et al, 1988)

Schmiduber always brings receipts

Yapp Le Cum saw the VHS and didn’t think anyone would get this footage on internet years later…. L move tbh

In your view, does this call Yan LeCun's Turing Award into question?

I’ve done a few talks on the history of AI and always came to the same conclusions you did you again😋 ever since you came out with your history book I’ve been trying to convert peeps…albeit not here enough…I mean isn’t backprop from Leibniz?😉 We’re all part of the tapestry of knowledge here…some folks are just bigger patches and stronger twine than others🥳😎🦾

Thank you! I see the same video published so many times. I built a simple network in 1984 as a high school student, that recognised the hand-written alphabet, on a 386… from a one-page paragraph describing neural nets in new scientist (basically, nodes, weights, input and outputs. I used 16.16 fp, no bias nodes (they weren’t mentioned) and a monochrome cmos chip camera to capture the images. It took 38 training cycles to converge to 100% accuracy (I only had one set of images) but it was remarkably efficient and fast for the time (and my lack of knowledge 🤣). It wasn’t a CNN, it was fully connected, and trained through a crude approximation of back-propagation.

I have repeatedly said why is there no other major contribution from @ylecun all these years 35 years. This is the answer. It was not his original work.

LeCun made CNN work reliably and practically. It is, if you wish, what Steve Jobs did with Apple. This is no small feat. Discovery and product creation is always a process. Takes lots of people.

This needs to be fully recognized. It's the same pattern over and over again. Enough already.

Its not fair that LeCun gets all the credit. Its also not fair that the Fukushima reactor named after him blew up in 2012 😔

Just my humble response to this: Thanks for bringing up these references; personally, I wasn’t even aware of them. I 'grew up' with LeCun’s networks when I took my first deep learning course in 2006 with Geoff Hinton at UofT. I agree that we need to foster a much healthier environment for research. Ultimately, we are all standing on the shoulders of giants. There is often a distinction between who did it first and who communicated it in a way that the industry adopted at the right time! For example, Gerry Tesauro ( one of the best scientists I know) developed the first Deep RL for Backgammon (TD-Gammon) in the early 90s and achieved world-class performance. So AlphaGo, created by David Silver, who is also a friend Gerry, was not strictly the first. But Gerry definitely didn’t mind, AFIK, the credit going to David, as David scaled it and applied it to Computer Go. You have good points, and it’s important to bring these things up, but it would be nice if it came across more as adding historical context. It might not always seem fair to the pioneers, but that seems to be how the history of technology and science is written.

LeCun’s key contribution was showing that you could train the whole thing end to end with backpropagation on 1980s–1990s hardware and get state of the art practical performance. That made CNNs explode in the West and eventually led to the deep learning revolution.

How did this guy not receive the Turing Award instead of those grifters :(

Thank you for demystifying the history.

Classic. First, I saw Fukushima and was waiting to see the earthquake. Then I saw CNN and thought there was something going on about the news platform I usually watch. Then I read more carefully. I am an idiot!

I was always told wrong

No wonder Lecun always sounded like a joke.

Neural networks don't beep like they used to. :|

So @ylecun . Did you steal the credit for something that was achieved many years prior?

Shunichi Amari for the win!!

why are we hearing about this only now?

Why did not Japan become an AI superpower? If they had Fukushima?

"The simplest technique is a direct-convolution realization using the relation NI-I Nz-1 y(n1, n2) = c c h(m1, mz)x(n1 - m1, n2 - mz) (5) m1=0 mp=o where x(n1, nz) is the input to the filter and y(nl, fl2) is the filter output." -- 1972

my dad did text only systems recognition is the defining line here the use of a visual CNN? cause retrieval algo is a RNN too? my dad made a fortran search algo that returned hallucinated text as well off of deweyDD tag information NO VLM THO so idk if that counts

Fukushima created the architecture Zhang created the first modern supervised CNN LeCun standardized it, pushed it into practice and owned the narrative All three matter. Only one became famous.

Please don't stare in rear mirror for too long, we need the brightest people to look ahead!

Ich hoffe das überzeugt @kimmonismus zur richtigen Seite zu wechseln.

LeCunt

Are you saying these are cases of multiple discovery or plagiarism?

he called it neocognitron

@HacKanCuBa.
