I absolutely support Norn here, yeah maybe Roxy didn't have ill intent or wanted to ruin anything. But she did that fully knowing that he is married and is awaiting a child. A little selfish in my opinion

Norn is the only person in this scene with a fully functioning brain because FYM you wanna get two wives 😭🙏

I mean polygamy is a thing, not that strange but she is addressing the bigger problem here That he neglected his pregnant wife that is so concerned about him to go and do whatever he did with Roxy

Oh yeah that too cuz like she said Slyphe was worried sick while he was gone so I completely understand what she’s saying

The anime doesn't emphasize enough that Rudeus was slowly killing himself in that room, not eating for days. Roxy's only intent was to fulfill a prostitute's role to get his mind off Paul and Zenith's fates for only a moment so he can take the first step towards healing.

And also doing it for herself which she admits After all she was in love with him at that point so it was not a selfless act just to help him

Ended up sending this like 10 seconds after you posted that lol

It was... But Norn should have directed it at Rudeus, not Roxy. I felt so bad for Roxy in this scene.

I felt like it was directed at both But Roxy wasn’t innocent in any way

I still don't think it should have been directed at Roxy. She shouldn't have taken it out on Roxy. Roxy acted no differently than Silphy would've, they each sought their happiness and Rudeus was able to deliver. Honestly? I'm surprised Rudeus felt so guilty he didn't step in. Imagine if Rudeus had acted like this and sent Lilia and Aisha out of the house, in my opinion Roxy in that moment was basically hollow, I don't know what she would've done if Rudeus had let her go (He wasn't going to anyways) I don't think Norn is a bad person by any means though. She was overwhelmed with Paul's death.

@MrPluhini she didn't seek her happiness in isolation, she understood the context (that rudeus was married) and pursued him anyway so i dont think it's fair to absolve her of criticism too

@MrPluhini I’m not a solving her from criticism. You can criticize her. But Norn had no right to scold her when Rudeus was right there for scolding.

Then Norn was reminded Paul had two wives and she got real quiet after that

The whole problem is not the question about multiple wives, but the way that happened. Norn feels like Rudy betrayed Sylphie which he really did And also Roxy did take advantage of him so she is completely right here in my eyes

I’m not saying she’s wrong because I thought the situation was pretty fucked, but she needed to know this was between rudy, slyphie and Roxy. Hell Slyphie said she would have done the same so everyone is not right in the head

@MrPluhini Ah yes, helping someone to not spiral into suicidal depression clearly evil and unacceptable. Roxy definitely should have just let him keep hating himself for his failure. That way he would have actually killed himself like so many people on here wanted.

@MrPluhini Where did I say Roxy shouldn’t have done it?

@MrPluhini My bad I put that under the wrong person's post, I'm sorry.

@MrPluhini No harm done

Norn had the most realistic reaction and pretty accurately depicted how im sure a vast majority of viewers felt

Eris on the way

@AnimeCornerX

Norn's crashout was valid AF, though I wish Elinalise had caught the amount of it she deserves. Anime leaves out a lot of scheming Elinalise did behind the scenes after Roxy rescue. That said, Sylphiette is not a fan of Millis. Anyone not expecting harem route had blinders on.

There's 3 sides to this actually. Rudeus is just at the bottom end of it. The one who orchestrated it was Elinalise. Roxy took advantage of him but her only goal was to be with Rudy until they got home. It was Elinalise who told her to fake her pregnancy.

La cosa aqui, que poca gente entiende, es que norn esta mal, por eso sylphi la calla, por que esta imponiendo su vision y prejuicios de milis (como los espectadores con su monogamia) en alguien que no cree en ella, y hace contraste con la reaccion de cliff mas adelante

The thing is they were desperate to "wake up" rudeus out of his state. Only he knew how to use the teleportation circles, leaving zenith there for too long could be rly bad without diagnosing her properly. Elinalise as well stalling too much the return would be forced to sleep with more guys, and as much as is not very news to her, she feels rly guilty doing this now that she made a vow with Cliff, even if he is ok with her sleeping around to maintain her mana situation. And making a guy just drink some booze and sleep with some girls is kinda the most ancient tech to recover some guy's mental state. Of course its caveman monkey brain solution, but thats what they had. OF course Roxy saw this as an oportunity more than anything, but she didnt intend to stay around as well. my point is mostly it was a necessary evil as far as their knowledge goes amd who knows how bad Rudy would go on his depression rebound honestly.... But yeah Norn obviuslly was there to be the voice of reason lol

Meanwhile Paul Greyrat:

Waa it selfish on roxys part, yes. Was she expecting rudy to marry her because of it. No. Neither was silphy for that matter. Rudy's goal in his second life was to take responsibility for his actions after all. That includes marrying any virgin woman he has sex with

THIS! THIS IS A VALID TAKE! It was entirely selfish of her, but what makes the writing good is that both she and Rudeus knew that. And DIDN’T try hiding it. He admitted to it and took the blame for being assaulted. Fully prepared to be divorced right there too.

Stop applying reality to fiction. In that world theres only one religion that enforces monogamy. Shes essentially forcing her religion down their throats. Sylphie had no issues with rudy doing this she said so

I really didn’t like Norn at this point. I mean, I get where she’s coming from, but she’s just using Sylphie as a shield to vent her frustration. In the original light novel, Sylphie actually calls her out on it.

yo no culpo a Rudy por tener relaciones con Roxy, despues de todo estaba emocional y mentalmente destruido, ahi la culpa es de Roxy. De lo que si lo culpo es de hacerla su esposa. Es como... wtf dude.

She knew all too well that he was vulnerable and also knew if she tried this at any other time he could certainly say no. She never denied it either. She deliberately took advantage of him and after he saved her the way he did, she didn't want him to have a chance to say no...

His wife's grandmother helped set them up

Just wait for the third wife

In the novel Rudeus supports Norn and defends his opinion, the anime did not adapt the novel well at all at that point, the image is in Spanish but you can translate it if you like.

Can we also address the fact that Rudy wanted to marry Roxy in the first place, before meeting Sylphie.

I mean I don’t hate nor support her. I see her point obviously but at the same time she wasn’t there to know what Rudy was feeling. He was depressed asf and Roxy helped him through that. Plus polygamy is a normal thing there which I feel most viewers don’t understand.

Yeah Roxy was in the wrong but if she hadn’t done it:

No, Norn wasnt in the correct. She only criticized rudeus cuz she is a follower of Milis. Wich is a religion that imposes monogamy. Neither rudeus, Paul, Roxy, etc etc were part of the cult. She aint helping Sylphiette either, cuz sylphiette Hates the Milis for what they did to-

I also dont like Roxy or Eris as his wifes...only Sylphie (who only agreed because she Loves Rudy deeply)

Is norn the only smart person in this anime?

Norn doesn't really have much standing to judge the situation. She has no idea what Rudeus went through, and it was actually her request that led him to go there in the first place, which is what ultimately set everything in motion. That said, from the perspective of an outsider who doesn't know the full story, it's only natural that she'd be upset.

You're completely RIGHT. Rudeus had to apologise for cheating on Silphye. Considering the context, that was forgievable. BUT ASKING TO MARRY ROXY, THAT'S UNACCEPTABLE. Later on in the novel, Silphye confirms that she resents it, but accepts it to be with Rudeus.

nah, she was too nasty, and was talking on behalf of Sylphie as if she didn't have her agency, while saying crap about Milis not allowing multiple wives when her sister, who is the daughter of the second wife of her perfect daddy, is right there

I don’t support any 🥲💀

If saving Rudy was selfish then Roxy can afford to to be a little selfish. Norn is coming at Rudy and Roxy from a millis pov, sure she cares about Sylphie but she is also speaking over Sylphie who is the one who decides what actually happens in her relationship with Rudy.

Pendeja insoportable esa norm

Yeah, me too, the final decision is taken, and both seems to be ok with the solution, but as far as this moment goes, Norn was talking complete sense into this room. I feel Sylphie was able to reach the final conclusion thanks to Norn being so angry on her behalf.

Elinalise was partially responsible for why he took her as his second wife. He lied to him that roxy was pregnant and rudy needed to take responsibility for her.

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