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I gave claude a new physics RL problem to test out Weight-Space Programming. It vibe coded 298 weights for a 71-layers deep neural-net, correctly one-shotting the problem using weights. 🧵 Here's why it's not "weight space programming"...

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Фото профиля Justin Angel
Justin Angel8 дней назад

2/ So on the surface, I thought maybe LLMs have an innate grasp of weights and just spit out the right numbers. After all, no tool calls means no backprop. It must be some sort of savant for DNN weights!

Фото профиля Justin Angel
Justin Angel8 дней назад

3/ But Claude was really just using the CoT to do a bunch of multi-variable math solving the physics problem. It then embedded those solutions in a DNN weight matrix. It's cool, but it had to crank out math for 20+ minutes in CoT. That's clearly not innate grasp of weights.

Фото профиля Karthik Tadepalli
Karthik Tadepalli7 дней назад

In experiment 1, they say Astra used only 800 reasoning tokens before interpreting the network, which seems too short to do all the calculations you're describing?

Фото профиля Justin Angel
Justin Angel7 дней назад

Yep, experiments #1-3 are pattern recognition. Experiment #5 only works because it's previously seen the solution to pong. Give it a novel problem and it's many tokens worth of reasoning.

Фото профиля Karthik Tadepalli
Karthik Tadepalli7 дней назад

what is the pattern being recognized in 1-3?

Фото профиля Brian Wesley
Brian Wesley7 дней назад

The mit writeup already draws that line. Same edit that lifted qwen math barely moved gemma, because loops were gone and the skill was never there

Фото профиля Byron Xiao
Byron Xiao7 дней назад

Useful pushback. "Vibe-coded weights that solve a toy net" ≠ "read an existing trained net and patch failure modes." Keep the terms separate or the hype eats the engineering.

Фото профиля Benjamin Ljung 🔰
Benjamin Ljung 🔰7 дней назад

Could we do it in reverse? Translate blocks of weights into compact mathematical expressions? This could open up the possibility to calculate it more efficiently, or at least with less RAM.

Фото профиля Kyle
Kyle7 дней назад

How many tries before it one shot it ?

Фото профиля /kron
/kron7 дней назад

why would you not rather... have it just write differentiate programs?

Фото профиля allan fraga
allan fraga7 дней назад

Agree the from-scratch nets look like math compiled into weights. The Qwen edit doesn't fit that frame though: trace a loop to one direction, subtract it, touch 0.016% of weights. Less compiler. More debugger. Does your critique cover that part?

Фото профиля Ali G.
Ali G.7 дней назад

Would it be possible to see source code?

Фото профиля Charles Javelona
Charles Javelona7 дней назад

Thanks for doing this.

Фото профиля 匿名希望
匿名希望7 дней назад

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Фото профиля Hatsu 🧪
Hatsu 🧪7 дней назад

You win. Lol I tried also. It does not work how the op said unfortunately. Not yet anyway

Фото профиля Ari Isaacs
Ari Isaacs7 дней назад

What, exactly is the difference? like it doesn't "innately" understand code. The important thing is it can pattern-recognise it well enough Current sota can't edit more than toy parameters; but "can recognize patterns in X" tends to grow the size quite fast with generations

Фото профиля Sheridan Conklin
Sheridan Conklin7 дней назад

Fair pushback. The 0.016% number is wild, but a 0.8B model with known reasoning loops is a soft target. The real test is whether it works on a model that isn't already broken in obvious ways.

Фото профиля Marco Polo
Marco Polo7 дней назад

298 hand-tuned weights, 71 layers deep, to do what 5 lines of Python does before your coffee cools. That's not a breakthrough, that's a Rube Goldberg machine with a GPU bill. Don't believe me? Try it. Compare the token count and completion time, then cry. →

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