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I gave claude a new physics RL problem to test out Weight-Space Programming. It vibe coded 298 weights for a 71-layers deep neural-net, correctly one-shotting the problem using weights. 🧵 Here's why it's not "weight space programming"...

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Justin Angel profil fotoğrafı
Justin Angel8 gün önce

2/ So on the surface, I thought maybe LLMs have an innate grasp of weights and just spit out the right numbers. After all, no tool calls means no backprop. It must be some sort of savant for DNN weights!

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Justin Angel8 gün önce

3/ But Claude was really just using the CoT to do a bunch of multi-variable math solving the physics problem. It then embedded those solutions in a DNN weight matrix. It's cool, but it had to crank out math for 20+ minutes in CoT. That's clearly not innate grasp of weights.

Karthik Tadepalli profil fotoğrafı
Karthik Tadepalli8 gün önce

In experiment 1, they say Astra used only 800 reasoning tokens before interpreting the network, which seems too short to do all the calculations you're describing?

Justin Angel profil fotoğrafı
Justin Angel8 gün önce

Yep, experiments #1-3 are pattern recognition. Experiment #5 only works because it's previously seen the solution to pong. Give it a novel problem and it's many tokens worth of reasoning.

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Karthik Tadepalli8 gün önce

what is the pattern being recognized in 1-3?

Brian Wesley profil fotoğrafı
Brian Wesley7 gün önce

The mit writeup already draws that line. Same edit that lifted qwen math barely moved gemma, because loops were gone and the skill was never there

Byron Xiao profil fotoğrafı
Byron Xiao7 gün önce

Useful pushback. "Vibe-coded weights that solve a toy net" ≠ "read an existing trained net and patch failure modes." Keep the terms separate or the hype eats the engineering.

Benjamin Ljung 🔰 profil fotoğrafı
Benjamin Ljung 🔰7 gün önce

Could we do it in reverse? Translate blocks of weights into compact mathematical expressions? This could open up the possibility to calculate it more efficiently, or at least with less RAM.

Kyle profil fotoğrafı
Kyle8 gün önce

How many tries before it one shot it ?

/kron profil fotoğrafı
/kron7 gün önce

why would you not rather... have it just write differentiate programs?

allan fraga profil fotoğrafı
allan fraga7 gün önce

Agree the from-scratch nets look like math compiled into weights. The Qwen edit doesn't fit that frame though: trace a loop to one direction, subtract it, touch 0.016% of weights. Less compiler. More debugger. Does your critique cover that part?

Ali G. profil fotoğrafı
Ali G.7 gün önce

Would it be possible to see source code?

Charles Javelona profil fotoğrafı
Charles Javelona7 gün önce

Thanks for doing this.

匿名希望 profil fotoğrafı
匿名希望7 gün önce

ゴールしたあとのボールのバウンドこそヒントがあるんじゃないかな?

Hatsu 🧪 profil fotoğrafı
Hatsu 🧪7 gün önce

You win. Lol I tried also. It does not work how the op said unfortunately. Not yet anyway

Ari Isaacs profil fotoğrafı
Ari Isaacs7 gün önce

What, exactly is the difference? like it doesn't "innately" understand code. The important thing is it can pattern-recognise it well enough Current sota can't edit more than toy parameters; but "can recognize patterns in X" tends to grow the size quite fast with generations

Sheridan Conklin profil fotoğrafı
Sheridan Conklin7 gün önce

Fair pushback. The 0.016% number is wild, but a 0.8B model with known reasoning loops is a soft target. The real test is whether it works on a model that isn't already broken in obvious ways.

Marco Polo profil fotoğrafı
Marco Polo7 gün önce

298 hand-tuned weights, 71 layers deep, to do what 5 lines of Python does before your coffee cools. That's not a breakthrough, that's a Rube Goldberg machine with a GPU bill. Don't believe me? Try it. Compare the token count and completion time, then cry. →

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