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"I haven't sold a single sat." Michael Saylor (Michael Saylor) is Executive Chairman of Strategy, the largest corporate holder of Bitcoin on earth. While crypto twitter blamed him for the correction over a 32-coin sale, he sat down with me in Prague and explained why Bitcoin is really lagging...

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Tim Kotzman

25,225 views • 2 months ago

🎙️The Virtuous Network You're The Voice - Ep. 32 with Michael Saylor You’re The Voice | Podcast by Efrat Fenigson My guest today is Michael Saylor, an American entrepreneur, the executive chairman and co-founder of Strategy, a public software and services company that recently announced it is also a #Bitcoin development company. MicroStrategy is undoubtedly the pioneer in holding the company’s reserves in bitcoin. Till recently, Saylor was MicroStrategy's CEO for 33 years. He’s considered to be one of Bitcoin’s biggest advocates, helping many people on their journey into Bitcoin. This episode revolves around the complexities of power, technology, and the role of Bitcoin in today’s world. We discussed the trend of centralizing power in the hands of a few, the benefits and drawbacks of big tech systems, the role of governments, and the need for decentralization. Michael explored the nature of Bitcoin as a digital asset or property, highlighting its global appeal and advantages over physical property. He touched on the role of ETFs, on MicroStrategy’s Bitcoin standard strategy, and concluded with the observation that the road to bitcoin adoption is paved with love and patience. ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you! 00:00 - Coming Up... 01:35 - Introduction of Michael Saylor 02:45 - Centralization of Power - The Good & The Bad 09:20 - Ad Break (Trezor, Bitcoin Nashville) 10:35 - The "Twitter-cane" 21:10 - Bitcoin: A Digital Asset & Property. Or Currency? 34:00 - ETFs Role in the Game of Bitcoin 42:25 - MicroStrategy's Capital-Raising for Bitcoin 48:15 - Saylor Approached by Other CEOs? 50:35 - Spreading Bitcoin with Love >>
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🎙️The Virtuous Network You're The Voice - Ep. 32 with Michael Saylor You’re The Voice | Podcast by Efrat Fenigson My guest today is Michael Saylor, an American entrepreneur, the executive chairman and co-founder of Strategy, a public software and services company that recently announced it is also a #Bitcoin development company. MicroStrategy is undoubtedly the pioneer in holding the company’s reserves in bitcoin. Till recently, Saylor was MicroStrategy's CEO for 33 years. He’s considered to be one of Bitcoin’s biggest advocates, helping many people on their journey into Bitcoin. This episode revolves around the complexities of power, technology, and the role of Bitcoin in today’s world. We discussed the trend of centralizing power in the hands of a few, the benefits and drawbacks of big tech systems, the role of governments, and the need for decentralization. Michael explored the nature of Bitcoin as a digital asset or property, highlighting its global appeal and advantages over physical property. He touched on the role of ETFs, on MicroStrategy’s Bitcoin standard strategy, and concluded with the observation that the road to bitcoin adoption is paved with love and patience. ► If you got value, please like, comment, share, follow and support my work. Thank you! 00:00 - Coming Up... 01:35 - Introduction of Michael Saylor 02:45 - Centralization of Power - The Good & The Bad 09:20 - Ad Break (Trezor, Bitcoin Nashville) 10:35 - The "Twitter-cane" 21:10 - Bitcoin: A Digital Asset & Property. Or Currency? 34:00 - ETFs Role in the Game of Bitcoin 42:25 - MicroStrategy's Capital-Raising for Bitcoin 48:15 - Saylor Approached by Other CEOs? 50:35 - Spreading Bitcoin with Love >>

Efrat Fenigson

430,282 views • 2 years ago

The Blueprint for a New Financial System Michael Saylor, founder and Executive Chairman of MicroStrategy, returns to explain how Bitcoin is transforming global capital markets and redefining the future of wealth creation. Drawing from his background in science and engineering, Saylor breaks down how Bitcoin’s architecture merges technology, economics, and mathematics to create the first truly engineered form of sound money — one that’s reshaping corporate finance, investment strategy, and even national policy. In this conversation, we explore why legacy finance is structurally unsustainable, how overcollateralized digital credit could replace sovereign debt, and why Bitcoin’s “refinery model” may ignite a new era of capital efficiency. Saylor details the evolution from digital gold to digital credit, how MicroStrategy’s innovations are setting the blueprint for Bitcoin-backed balance sheets, and why governments, banks, and investors will ultimately be forced to adopt Bitcoin as the foundation of a new global financial system. Timestamps: 0:00 – Why Bitcoin Is Inevitable 4:12 – How Technology Turned Energy Into Capital 8:27 – Why 99% of Companies Are Locked Out of Capital Markets 12:38 – The “Kerosene” Metaphor: Refining Bitcoin Into Yield Instruments 18:21 – Designing Digital Credit: How It Actually Works 32:55 – How Bitcoin Becomes the Base Layer for Digital Credit 48:12 – Rebuilding Legacy Finance on Bitcoin Infrastructure 56:09 – Turning USD Yield Into Bitcoin Yield 1:12:24 – Why Bitcoin’s Refinery Model Could Spark a New Industrial Revolution 1:24:10 – How Digital Credit Will Outperform Traditional Bonds 1:38:52 – Why Governments and Corporations Will Be Forced to Adopt Bitcoin 1:52:40 – Adapting to Change — Why Relevance Is Earned Daily Note: This interview was recorded with Mark Moss on September 30, 2025, before $STRC, $STRK, $STRD, and $STRF began trading on Robinhood.
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The Blueprint for a New Financial System Michael Saylor, founder and Executive Chairman of MicroStrategy, returns to explain how Bitcoin is transforming global capital markets and redefining the future of wealth creation. Drawing from his background in science and engineering, Saylor breaks down how Bitcoin’s architecture merges technology, economics, and mathematics to create the first truly engineered form of sound money — one that’s reshaping corporate finance, investment strategy, and even national policy. In this conversation, we explore why legacy finance is structurally unsustainable, how overcollateralized digital credit could replace sovereign debt, and why Bitcoin’s “refinery model” may ignite a new era of capital efficiency. Saylor details the evolution from digital gold to digital credit, how MicroStrategy’s innovations are setting the blueprint for Bitcoin-backed balance sheets, and why governments, banks, and investors will ultimately be forced to adopt Bitcoin as the foundation of a new global financial system. Timestamps: 0:00 – Why Bitcoin Is Inevitable 4:12 – How Technology Turned Energy Into Capital 8:27 – Why 99% of Companies Are Locked Out of Capital Markets 12:38 – The “Kerosene” Metaphor: Refining Bitcoin Into Yield Instruments 18:21 – Designing Digital Credit: How It Actually Works 32:55 – How Bitcoin Becomes the Base Layer for Digital Credit 48:12 – Rebuilding Legacy Finance on Bitcoin Infrastructure 56:09 – Turning USD Yield Into Bitcoin Yield 1:12:24 – Why Bitcoin’s Refinery Model Could Spark a New Industrial Revolution 1:24:10 – How Digital Credit Will Outperform Traditional Bonds 1:38:52 – Why Governments and Corporations Will Be Forced to Adopt Bitcoin 1:52:40 – Adapting to Change — Why Relevance Is Earned Daily Note: This interview was recorded with Mark Moss on September 30, 2025, before $STRC, $STRK, $STRD, and $STRF began trading on Robinhood.

Michael Saylor

472,160 views • 11 months ago

"Because AI took all the money." Arthur Hayes (Arthur Hayes) is co-founder of BitMEX and one of the most-read macro writers in crypto. While everyone waited for the next leg up, he explained why the money stopped flowing into crypto and what brings it roaring back. "There's no cash to go to crypto. AI sucked it all up and it'll keep sucking it up until the bubble bursts." We cover: - Why ~$1.5 trillion of new money since ChatGPT went to AI instead of crypto, and what that did to Bitcoin - Oil, Iran, and the inventory-restocking shock he thinks the market is mispricing - Why he exits a trade the moment the asymmetry is gone, even one he's loved for months - What he hunts instead: maximum hate, minimum downside, room to run - Why he's "more concerned with capital preservation than capital accumulation" - The convexity philosophy: betting on 1% odds becoming 10%, not 50% becoming 75% - Why Bitcoin really stalled and why Saylor isn't the reason - Why he refuses to trade a four-year-cycle calendar - "The big print": the crisis he's staying liquid for, and why that one moment sets up two decades of returns Thanks to Arthur for coming on New Era Finance Podcast. Highlights: 00:00 - A Deal, Oil, And What Markets Are Pricing 08:00 - Why Crypto Got Left Behind 09:32 - "AI Took All The Money" 24:00 - When He Exits A Trade He Loves 30:00 - What He's Hunting Now 33:57 - The Convexity Philosophy 41:51 - Why Bitcoin Really Stalled 43:55 - Why He Won't Trade A Calendar 45:18 - The Opportunity Nobody's Ready For 46:12 - "The Big Print" And Staying Liquid
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"Because AI took all the money." Arthur Hayes (Arthur Hayes) is co-founder of BitMEX and one of the most-read macro writers in crypto. While everyone waited for the next leg up, he explained why the money stopped flowing into crypto and what brings it roaring back. "There's no cash to go to crypto. AI sucked it all up and it'll keep sucking it up until the bubble bursts." We cover: - Why ~$1.5 trillion of new money since ChatGPT went to AI instead of crypto, and what that did to Bitcoin - Oil, Iran, and the inventory-restocking shock he thinks the market is mispricing - Why he exits a trade the moment the asymmetry is gone, even one he's loved for months - What he hunts instead: maximum hate, minimum downside, room to run - Why he's "more concerned with capital preservation than capital accumulation" - The convexity philosophy: betting on 1% odds becoming 10%, not 50% becoming 75% - Why Bitcoin really stalled and why Saylor isn't the reason - Why he refuses to trade a four-year-cycle calendar - "The big print": the crisis he's staying liquid for, and why that one moment sets up two decades of returns Thanks to Arthur for coming on New Era Finance Podcast. Highlights: 00:00 - A Deal, Oil, And What Markets Are Pricing 08:00 - Why Crypto Got Left Behind 09:32 - "AI Took All The Money" 24:00 - When He Exits A Trade He Loves 30:00 - What He's Hunting Now 33:57 - The Convexity Philosophy 41:51 - Why Bitcoin Really Stalled 43:55 - Why He Won't Trade A Calendar 45:18 - The Opportunity Nobody's Ready For 46:12 - "The Big Print" And Staying Liquid

Michaël van de Poppe

276,556 views • 3 months ago

I sat down with Jordi Visser to discuss why bitcoin is down 50%, whether the bear market is over, why he's still buying through the dip, how AI agents will drive bitcoin adoption, and why the rotation from AI hardware to human software is the biggest investment opportunity right now. Enjoy! YouTube: Spotify: Apple: TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Intro 0:45 - Why bitcoin is down 50% & is the bear market over? 6:48 - What would convince Jordi to sell his bitcoin? 9:07 - Bitcoin as the S&P 500 of crypto 14:02 - Why bitcoin is safer than any company past 2030 17:45 - Bitcoin volatility vs. the stock market 22:22 - The five-layer AI stack & where revenues are missing 26:22 - Token budgets & the shift to specialized AI 35:10 - Are LLMs now commoditized? 40:30 - Peptides as the API key for the human body 49:24 - Healthcare, entitlements & the future outlook 55:12 - Jordi’s upcoming video & final thoughts
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I sat down with Jordi Visser to discuss why bitcoin is down 50%, whether the bear market is over, why he's still buying through the dip, how AI agents will drive bitcoin adoption, and why the rotation from AI hardware to human software is the biggest investment opportunity right now. Enjoy! YouTube: Spotify: Apple: TIMESTAMPS: 0:00 - Intro 0:45 - Why bitcoin is down 50% & is the bear market over? 6:48 - What would convince Jordi to sell his bitcoin? 9:07 - Bitcoin as the S&P 500 of crypto 14:02 - Why bitcoin is safer than any company past 2030 17:45 - Bitcoin volatility vs. the stock market 22:22 - The five-layer AI stack & where revenues are missing 26:22 - Token budgets & the shift to specialized AI 35:10 - Are LLMs now commoditized? 40:30 - Peptides as the API key for the human body 49:24 - Healthcare, entitlements & the future outlook 55:12 - Jordi’s upcoming video & final thoughts

Anthony Pompliano 🌪

286,011 views • 3 months ago