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Introducing MorphoHDL, a minimal language prototype for growing boolean circuits! Early this year I wanted to design a size-agnostic graph rewrite rule system that could build functional boolean circuits. First I thought about "chemistry"-like reactive systems, but rules were too complicated with many different node types carrying multiple indices......

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Jesper Munkeby 的头像
Jesper Munkeby3 个月前

Late night experiments with @zzznah MorphoHDL - 3D mesh generation and implicit modelling. Anatomical grammars for soft robots?

Alex Mordvintsev 的头像
Alex Mordvintsev3 个月前

Looks great! Did you use my codebase as a starting point, or reimplemented?

Jesper Munkeby 的头像
Jesper Munkeby3 个月前

Built on your thing! Here it is if you want to try it

Erik Meijer 的头像
Erik Meijer3 个月前

/cc @satnam6502

Ariel Ekgren 的头像
Ariel Ekgren3 个月前

Unhinged thought from seeing this: what if we are just compute substrate. Intelligent design is correct but not for the reason we think. We are just really advanced computers and our qualia has nothing to do with what we actually compute.

Alex Mordvintsev 的头像
Alex Mordvintsev3 个月前

That's what I'm thinking a lot these days but I don't remember mentioning it in this write up

oops_all_paperclips 的头像
oops_all_paperclips3 个月前

I'm excited to finally read about this system! The previews were really compelling!

Jonathan Dunlap 的头像
Jonathan Dunlap3 个月前

Someone call @stephen_wolfram

Thomas Broadfoot 🍁👻 的头像
Thomas Broadfoot 🍁👻3 个月前

How do the results compare to a synthesis approach?

Alex Mordvintsev 的头像
Alex Mordvintsev3 个月前

I didn't do apples to apples comparison. Modern synth does sophisticated circuit rewrites, while I'm only propagating consts and do DCE, so I'd expect 10-20% difference. On the other hand more optimizations are possible on netlist level, but I'm more interested in trying to combine growing with physical P&R

BoningLi 的头像
BoningLi3 个月前

So Cooool!!! Could it ever go open-ended like Andy Lomas's work instead, no target, scaling into millions of cells, and still be computing something real the whole way through?

Antonio Cao 的头像
Antonio Cao3 个月前

cooking so hard! any idea how feasible it is to compile the design into real organisms?

jcamdr 的头像
jcamdr3 个月前

Congratulations! There is certainly some potentials from that method.

Etienne Jacob 的头像
Etienne Jacob2 个月前

It looks incredible, congratulations! I missed the release, I wish I had retweeted this earlier. Hoping to spend time understanding soon.

Alex Dong 的头像
Alex Dong3 个月前

/cc @joecole

Mike Dupont 的头像
Mike Dupont3 个月前

love it! good job

𝑫𝒂𝒏𝒊𝒆𝒍 𝑺𝒄𝒐𝒕𝒕 𝑴𝒂𝒕𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒘𝒔 🇦🇺 的头像
𝑫𝒂𝒏𝒊𝒆𝒍 𝑺𝒄𝒐𝒕𝒕 𝑴𝒂𝒕𝒕𝒉𝒆𝒘𝒔 🇦🇺3 个月前

OMG that is beautiful!

victor muchina 的头像
victor muchina3 个月前

Wow ,how did we never think of this. This seems to be the way that technology show advance by itself .The full scale of this would be something like conscious technology controllable by thought 🤔

Suchismit Ghosh 的头像
Suchismit Ghosh3 个月前

nice

Marcos 的头像
Marcos3 个月前

hi alex, very nice webpage, nice to see given the extensive us of animation and shapes it is quite low on cpu usage! also i saw your youtube, on vga cellular automata i guess you know "a mind is born" from linus?

돈벌고영 的头像
돈벌고영3 个月前

Growing circuits through size-agnostic rewrite rules feels more like cultivation than construction. Curious what useful structures emerge before the rules become hand-tuned.

AI Mastery Guide 的头像
AI Mastery Guide3 个月前

Treating cell division as a way to grow circuits instead of wiring them by hand is such a clever reframe.

utsab 的头像
utsab3 个月前

It's beautiful

Andrew 的头像
Andrew3 个月前

That’s really cool

Garvit 的头像
Garvit3 个月前

Idea: Move beyond a HARD boolean -> Make it a float: [0...1]

Sergio Caires 的头像
Sergio Caires3 个月前

cool

Richard Collins, The Internet Foundation 的头像
Richard Collins, The Internet Foundation3 个月前

Not sure if this will be of use to you all. For the Internet Foundation, I have a different perspective: It seems the rewards Alex gets are from playing with complex controlled patterns on the screen, perhaps in 3D. Perhaps he is getting distracted watching the patterns emerge, when general powerful tools are what people would need for their own things. Any competent AI can write these visualizations and tools for a browser or for any operating system now. What is harder and perhaps he is not doing -- is clarifying what he wants to do once he can replicated many decades of computer design ideas and let AIs play with them. Or "print" them to silicon or photonics or faster technologies and let them run. Usually the next step after generation (regardless if it is simulated or run in some analog physics or chemistry or biological framework) is to pick some real things and try to match them exactly. The people in the world put a lot of stuff on the Internet. There are lots of pretty pictures and videos and 3D examples. Everyone like to see and play with them somewhat. But usually it gets to "make my breakfast", "wake up the kids and get them ready for school", "there is a new war today, check if the countries are safe", "our water system is not getting any rain, prices might go up so much we will have to move", "they just fired 28,000 employees and have not replaced them with any AIs yet, so nothing is getting done, customers are leaving to find someone who will do the work". Look at the experience of all the gurus and rock star experts now. It is exciting, high income, high outgo, and constantly "on". Huge burn out and drama. Quiet building for the future is much routine, competent building, careful consideration and listening, not just "on". Is the goal to entertain or distract or titillate people? Or to help them live their lives with dignity and purpose? Actually create and produce and share new computer technologies from first principle? Or build tools so others can take it and do it instead? I have to say I am a bit biased reading this, since I spent my high school years (1963-1967) working with random neural networks, encryption, encoding, neurophysiology, national networks, corporate uses of computing, robotics, and multidimensional mathematics. I simply did the pretty pictures in my mind and made things. Getting distracted by making new visualizations and examples wastes time. Real data is what drives new industries. Not generated data, unless is is explicitly drawing on real analog states from something really complex and unique. If he really wanted to do something different and useful now, he would add physiological and distributed sensors to monitor himself (or others) as they interact with the displays, as they play the games, as they solve the problems, as they explore, as they want movies, as they read and work. Then his HDL could make circuits that handle real sensor data and real control datastreams -- to make efficient processors at Exa and Zetta scale. If he labels the nodes, they can be allowed to fail, but can be poured by the pound or kilogram for whatever memory is needed. Any competent AI or AI agent now can take clearly written instruction and make most of what he wants to do. I can speak quantum computing or global systems, or corporate restructuring or any of millions of dialects of domain specific languages now. It is all mostly available -- once you focus on what you want to do. It is intent and experience and focus that matters, not what you can demonstrate with pretty images. Yes, all the LLM subscription based "AI" companies are still using closed methods so their level of trustworthiness for real problems stagnate near zero. The operating system and software stack lock in model corporations are just doing more of the same and most everyone is tired of them wasting time on self rewards, and not getting the jobs done.

Synoros 的头像
Synoros3 个月前

Impressive stuff we are checking it out tonight!

Nexus 的头像
Nexus3 个月前

we see similar rewrite rules map well to our cross embodiment skill routing when boolean logic grows into robot behavior policies.

Tim Reha 的头像
Tim Reha3 个月前

@pfau Excellent! I like how it looks nice job

lascard M 的头像
lascard M3 个月前

excellent sa !

Joshua Susskind 的头像
Joshua Susskind3 个月前

Very cool. Seems like a step in the direction of generalizing NCA-like methods to arbitrary graph (and beyond) structures!

Unique.Aioli8518 的头像
Unique.Aioli85183 个月前

Reminds me of Wolfram's ruleads.

far 的头像
far3 个月前

i thought these nets just looked cool but knowing this is a hdl makes it so much cooler still!

X4 的头像
X43 个月前

What in particular turned you away from Reaction-diffusion systems, as you outlined it's natural and this may still have beneficial implications within your current environment. It's a wonderful idea and execution btw!

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༺ཧคlคฝคཊ༻3 个月前

😍

Orthra 的头像
Orthra3 个月前

@S_Conradi awesome! got a lot of intuition from you for my research

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