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"Is there even such a thing as 'spam' on Bitcoin?" Samson Mow cuts through the argument most Bitcoiners talk past. Native Bitcoin data vs. ordinals, why immutability is the thing being abused, and where the line between spam and not-spam actually sits. The definition the BIP 110 fight keeps...

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