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Joscha Bach says physical systems like brains and computers cannot be conscious, because consciousness is a simulated property that only exists inside of a dream

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As much as I love him, I’ve never been impressed by his slight-of-hand switcharoo that feigns being a solution or bypassing of the hard problem. It’s just a restatement with an equally massive explanatory gap

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ΜΛΛNΙ is on Bluesky nowvor 2 Jahren

someone said let's stop calling it consciousness and start calling it awareness, and as soon as you do that, you realize even plants have some degree of consciousness because they are aware of light and move towards it. and plants are more conscious than LLMs, well, some LLMs.

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Sorry, but this is a fundamentally flawed and fragmented take on consciousness - mere playing around with words without an understanding. There are those who like to immerse in jargon and appear authoritative but, in fact, really don't understand the basics, and ultimately, the end output is as confused as the beginning...

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Daniel Kaiservor 2 Jahren

this is a stupid take imo. all of us are running around everyday feeling pretty conscious and it has nothing to do with dreaming

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Michael A. Markosian, M.D.vor 2 Jahren

Joscha Bach wants to create an (erroneous) understanding of consciousness that makes us believe that computers are conscious.

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cultured boarvor 2 Jahren

It's an ingenious pov that leads you exactly back to the dichotomy of whether the universe is real vs only our perception of it is The best thing about it is being conscious and in control cannot be possible in the universe, but is obviously possible from within ourselves. From our own pov we are always fully in control and that's obviously true (non deterministic). But from outside / the universe'a pov there's no control at all, only a system trying to understand it's own choices. And even though this sounds like a paradox, both are true because the underlying reality of the question is fully dependent on the observer - which as usual leads me back to the comical but oddly consistent conclusions of metaphysical solipsism - i.e. the only real thing that exists is me🤣

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Robvor 2 Jahren

Some serious sophistry here Where does the "dream" live?

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lumpenspacevor 2 Jahren

goddamn it ur the cutest @Plinz

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