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Listen to John Piper explain how preaching consistent Calvinism too plainly “isn’t quite right” because it’s not the “tone of the New Testament.” Amen!!! 🙏

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@Blue🌷1 年前

No, Piper is exhorting pastors to preach the whole counsel of God. He said “…of course, if you’re elect you won’t” fall away, but the warnings of apostasy in the NT are very real warnings. They are a means of grace for the elect to keep them on the Narrow Way. If a person “fall’s away” and apostatizes them that person was never really in possession of that which they claimed to have. “They went out from us, but they did not belong to us; for if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us. However, they went out so that it might be made clear that none of them belongs to us.”

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Church and Family Life1 年前

Do you want to know how to fix preaching that falls short? Join Joel Beeke and Brian Borgman on April 23-24 for Experiential Preaching: A Heart Compelled by God.

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Fletch1 年前

Translation: when you zoom out from the out of context prooftexts, calvinism doesn't fit with the Bible.

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Chris P. Bacon ✝️⚾️1 年前

And the tone of the New Testament warning against apostasy does not once say, oh, actually, if you’re elect, you cannot apostatize. No. The warnings and their consequences are promised to the very elect…! It’s nonsense if it isn’t actually applicable to the elect…!

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Jordan Paterson1 年前

How is this not entirely consistent with "Perseverance of The Saints"?

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Kenneth A. Grimm ن "K. A. G. Sundaram"1 年前

That entire vibe is not right. He takes a New Testament quote, and makes it into something else through his delivery. I do not see the “tone of the New Testament” at all in his presentation.

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David Bell1 年前

He's getting there. Slowly but surely. Now he has to learn that elect means those who believe in Christ.

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Consistent Calvinism Podcast1 年前

He clearly says that professing believers can fall away, which is precisely what the Bible teaches and warns. Piper simply warns against excluding that from the preaching and only preaching about the elect and eternal security.

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Rosie Peterson1 年前

Sorry, just can't listen to Piper talk. 🙉

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The Calvinist Father1 年前

It is worth noting TOO how he confesses one CANNOT KNOW THEY ARE ELECT! On Calvinism salvation is a GUESS They cannot KNOW they have ETERNAL LIFE The implications of Calvinism get WORSE the DEEPER you go

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Jordan Tate1 年前

What’s not Calvinistic about this?

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Amen! 🙏 Worth the listen…

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If only these men would listen and understand… it isn’t about love, you have to understand that the tone you set, gives precedent and that will be the flow of the relationship. You can’t start it doing things you may not be able to stay consistent on. THINK!!!

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